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Shalimar said:
QS, methinks there may be confusion by some posters as to what constitutes the difference between liberal, a moderate, centrist, sociopolitical viewpoint, and, shudder, gulp, SOCIALISM!!!! In five months on this forum, I have yet to read one far left socialist post. Who are these closeted leftists, and where are their threads/posts? Pink Canadians want to know!
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My head is spinning from all those titles! When I read comments or articles that are accusing people of any of those, I get totally confused. Who are they talking about? Are they bad? Did someone say something? What did they say? What did they do? What's going on...who am I....why am I here.... what am I.....what were we talking about.....told you, totally confused:confused:
 
Well, for the Canadians, enjoy yourself all you want as your elections mean nothing to the US.

For the US folks, we do have an interest in our government operating as the Constitution says we should. Far too many of the people seem to want a full government controlled system, just like too many in the European countries do. Where the countries government can and does just tell folks how to live.

In the US it is supposed to be the people that tell our governments how to operate, from the local towns, to cities, to states, and then finally the federal government to hold it all together.

What we have right now is a federal government that thinks they have the duty to tell people, cities, and states how to live. Pretty close to monarchy style European governments. Bad move for the US as we have always, till the last 50 or so years, wanted the people to run their own lives and worked to help them do that.

Now we have our federal government messing in just about everything from schools, industries, banking, housing, medical, you name it, the feds want to control it. It will be nice if we can get to a less controlling government of liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans that could get back to working together for common goals. That has not happened for a number of years now.

Point one way or the other but it is the two political parties that are dividing this country so badly. We should not recognize either party on our ballots and encourage all to vote for the positions, not the parties.
 

BobF said:
Well, for the Canadians, enjoy yourself all you want as your elections mean nothing to the US.

For the US folks, we do have an interest in our government operating as the Constitution says we should. Far too many of the people seem to want a full government controlled system, just like too many in the European countries do. Where he countries government can and does just tell folks how to live.

In the US it is supposed to be the people that tell our governments how to operate, from the local towns, to cities, to states, and then finally the federal government to hold it all together.

What we have right now is a federal government that thinks they have the duty to tell people, cities, and states how to live. Pretty close to monarchy style European governments. Bad move for the US as we have always, till the last 50 or so years, wanted the people to run their own lives and worked to help them do that.

Now we have our federal government messing in just about everything from schools, industries, banking, housing, medical, you name it, the feds want to control it. It will be nice if we can get to a less controlling government of liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans that could get back to working together for common goals. That has not happened for a number of years now.

Point one way or the other but it is the two political parties that are dividing this country so badly. We should not recognize either party on our ballots and encourage all to vote for the positions, not the parties.
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Why don't you actually find out about European governments before bashing them all. Having a monarchy doesn't mean there is a dictatorship.
 
Debby said:
My head is spinning from all those titles! When I read comments or articles that are accusing people of any of those, I get totally confused. Who are they talking about? Are they bad? Did someone say something? What did they say? What did they do? What's going on...who am I....why am I here.... what am I.....what were we talking about.....told you, totally confused:confused:
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No need to be confused. NO ONE has said anything.. We have a conservative factor in our politics that vilifies anyone or any ideology that does not fall in line with theirs.. It's NEVER... "I do not agree with the ideology of the Liberals, and they have a different opinion than I do".... BUT it's always accusations of Communism... Fascism.... Nazi's...... Un-American... Un-Patriotic..... Against the Constitution...FAR LEFT" BULLShiite. It's never about just having a different view and opinion... it has to be over the top!!
 
Wow, I can see xenophobia has raised it's ugly head, last recourse of a specious argument? Any country, no matter how powerful, is affected by the politics of it's next door neighbours. Factor in the enormous trade/tourism ties between our two fair nations, and a Canada's elections are irrelevant position is purely isolationist posturing, and an attempt at a personal attack on an individual who never mentioned the name of any specific poster in her posts. I criticisised ideas, ridiculed ideas, not people, there is a difference. I appreciate the courtesy of others who follow these rules set out by admin. how else can we debate sensitive issues without fear of personal or abusive remarks?
 
We certainly do have some very strong post on this forum. Good for all of them that do so. At least there is no doubt about how some think and which way they will likely vote. Something wrong with saying opponents are wrong? I see no stopping of that on this forum and certainly no change since I joined in about two years ago.

I don't see me worrying about Canadian politics in any big way. It would do me no good to do so. So I do pick up on some folks that insist only their way should be posted and they use their idea of comedy or fun to fill such a post with trash talks and nonsense.

On a forum like this we should all be able to speak our minds and not expect to be shut down by opposing posters at all. That is why I have said the US should do away with these political parties on ballots. Make the voters have to think about whom they are voting for. Allowing party votes is far too easy to do. No brain, no thinking, just X the big party box and go get a beer. Sure glad they did away with that but now we should get rid of the R and D by the names. Make it a choice of knowledge from the voters.

We do have some real hateful types that claim they know everything and the rest should just shut up. Not really very smart people will talk or act that way at all.
 
BobF said:
We certainly do have some very strong post on this forum. Good for all of them that do so. At least there is no doubt about how some think and which way they will likely vote. Something wrong with saying opponents are wrong? I see no stopping of that on this forum and certainly no change since I joined in about two years ago.

I don't see me worrying about Canadian politics in any big way. It would do me no good to do so. So I do pick up on some folks that insist only their way should be posted and they use their idea of comedy or fun to fill such a post with trash talks and nonsense.

On a forum like this we should all be able to speak our minds and not expect to be shut down by opposing posters at all. That is why I have said the US should do away with these political parties on ballots. Make the voters have to think about whom they are voting for. Allowing party votes is far too easy to do. No brain, no thinking, just X the big party box and go get a beer. Sure glad they did away with that but now we should get rid of the R and D by the names. Make it a choice of knowledge from the voters.

We do have some real hateful types that claim they know everything and the rest should just shut up. Not really very smart people will talk or act that way at all.
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And just exactly WHO are there real "hateful" types you are referring to BOB...??
 
I am not certain if I have been painted as hateful, or merely viewed as using humour to disguise my trash talk/nonsense-filled posts? Personally, I think a little levity is often beneficial in diffusing heated exchanges than can arise when posters are passionate about their political/social beliefs. I am attempting to address ideas here, not people. It is not always easy. I am feeling very repressed, perhaps I shall require therapy. Merlin, where you? Lol.
 
No Jim you are not one of the hateful ones. Good challenges are nice. But some only can approach others with personal, hate filled, comments that do nothing to clear up confusion. I don't know why others seem to think they can challenge but get upset if they are challenged. I try to avoid personal challenges but some on this forum relish in personal attacks. Sad way some folks think about others.

Anyone should be able to post without personal hate or finger pointing by name. Some love the name calling but that often fails in the intelligence part.

See, already we have one that loves to name call and be hateful. Pretty sad being that way.
 
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No Jim you are not one of the hateful ones. Good challenges are nice. But some only can approach others with personal, hate filled, comments that do nothing to clear up confusion. I don't know why others seem to think they can challenge but get upset if they are challenged. I try to avoid personal challenges but some on this forum relish in personal attacks. Sad way some folks think about others.

Anyone should be able to post without personal hate of finger pointing by name. Some love the name calling but that often fails in the intelligence part.
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So am I one of the hateful ones Bob?
 
With respect, referring to other's posts as filled with trash-talk and nonsense is a personal attack. None of us need modify our
political beliefs in a democratic setting, however, dispute ideas, not character. It erodes credibility, and promotes unnecessary
misunderstanding and bad feeling between persons who could otherwise cheerfully joust in the political arena. Debates are supposed to be fun, not verbal warfare. No one benefits under these circumstances. Hopefully we are civilised beings not members of a modern day Roman circus. Lol.
 
Shalimar said:
With respect, referring to other's posts as filled with trash-talk and nonsense is a personal attack. None of us need modify our
political beliefs in a democratic setting, however, dispute ideas, not character. It erodes credibility, and promotes unnecessary
misunderstanding and bad feeling between persons who could otherwise cheerfully joust in the political arena. Debates are supposed to be fun, not verbal warfare. No one benefits under these circumstances. Hopefully we are civilised beings not members of a modern day Roman circus. Lol.
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I agree... but Bob has a habit of accusing anyone that doesn't agree with him of being hateful... I'm just asking that he show examples of it.. That seems fair doesn't it?
 
I think that the purpose of debate is to be challenged... It makes one examine their positions. Bob on the other hand gets frustrated and lashes out with accusations when he is challenged. Since he has accused me of this.. I simply would like him to post some quotes to illustrate it..I want examples of my "name calling" and "angry speaking".. I don't believe he can... and of course he won't.. I predict he will just come back with another accusation.
 
If you read backwards on this thread you will see that I have tried to not point names or put hate into the thread. You continued to demand that I post a name, so I did. Don't like it? Why did you demand it?

I have had some that left me notes saying you are the reason they are leaving the forum. But you don't seem to worry about how many you drive off the forum at all. Just your abrasive way of handling situations. I am not leaving because of you or anyone else. I will post as I think about things. Don't like what I post just move on. We do not need all this nasty stuff you love to post. Direct and honest to you.
 
BobF said:
If you read backwards on this thread you will see that I have tried to not point names or put hate into the thread. You continued to demand that I post a name, so I did. Don't like it? Why did you demand it?

I have had some that left me notes saying you are the reason they are leaving the forum. But you don't seem to worry about how many you drive off the forum at all. Just your abrasive way of handling situations. I am not leaving because of you or anyone else. I will post as I think about things. Don't like what I post just move on. We do not need all this nasty stuff you love to post. Direct and honest to you.
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So... if that's the case... it should be easy for you to find examples of this... I mean.. if it's so prevalent.. and SO MANY have left because of it.. it would seem to me that examples can be posted.... I will wait Bob...

It would also seem to me that you would do well to follow your own advise... "don't like what I post... then just move on" You do not need to keep accusing me of things that are absolutely NOT true..
 
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