Two weeks after train derailment FEMA to deploy team to assist East Palestine OH in cleanup

The government's responsibility is for the infrastructure on which the trains travel. Not the length nor the materials they carry. If there is a federal law limiting either of these, I am sure it will be addressed in a court of law.
The tracks are owned by the rail companies, as is the land. The rail companies are responsible for the infrastructure. That's one of the problems. They don't want to spend money on maintenance other than what's absolutely necessary or that's required by law because that would cut into their profits.
 

Ohio Governor Mike DeWine announced Saturday that FEMA will at last deploy a team to East Palestine Sunday to support cleanup of the train derailment disaster.

DeWine, a Republican, made the announcement a near full two weeks since the original incident Friday night in concert with FEMA Regional Administrator Thomas C. Sivak.

The Biden administration through FEMA refused assistance for two weeks. After much criticism from all sides now FEMA is going to help. What do you think about this?
Standard political rhetoric. Some politicians never pass up an opportunity to smear their competition.
 
Standard political rhetoric. Some politicians never pass up an opportunity to smear their competition.
It’s not some, it’s all. You are fooling yourself if you don’t know that.
 

It’s not some, it’s all. You are fooling yourself if you don’t know that.
I could say the same of your position. Some politicians never pass up an opportunity to smear their competition, that is a reasonable statement, and one that is easily observable.

The Biden administration through FEMA refused assistance for two weeks. After much criticism from all sides now FEMA is going to help. What do you think about this?
If you want to offer proof of this statement that would be well received. However, this statement has all the earkmarks of an attempt to use a tragic occurrence as a vehicle to make an unfair and inaccurate accusation.
 
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If you want to offer proof of this statement that would be well received. However, this statement has all the earkmarks of an attempt to use a tragic occurrence as a vehicle to make an unfair and inaccurate accusation.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ant-help-East-Palestine-train-derailment.html

It's also suspected that Biden admin being caught with pants down, after Trump announced a planned visit.

Former President Trump plans to visit the town of East Palestine, Ohio, where a train derailment led to the release of toxic chemicals, next week.

Trump posted on Truth Social in response to a report that he was planning to make the trip that the residents of East Palestine are “Great people who need help, NOW!” He later posted that he will visit on Wednesday.

Now (personally) I feel the entrance of anyone not with FEMA or charity or EPA or like should stay out of the area. Let the people work, this really isn't needed and is a waste of money, time and effort.
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ant-help-East-Palestine-train-derailment.html

It's also suspected that Biden admin being caught with pants down, after Trump announced a planned visit.

Former President Trump plans to visit the town of East Palestine, Ohio, where a train derailment led to the release of toxic chemicals, next week.

Trump posted on Truth Social in response to a report that he was planning to make the trip that the residents of East Palestine are “Great people who need help, NOW!” He later posted that he will visit on Wednesday.

Now (personally) I feel the entrance of anyone not with FEMA or charity or EPA or like should stay out of the area. Let the people work, this really isn't needed and is a waste of money, time and effort.
Daily Mail, a British Right Wing Tabloid....hardly the proof I had in mind. It's not surprising that Trump showed up to make political points, LOL.
Anyway, it's evident that some folks of East Palestine, Ohio thought that the President of the United States "should" be swooping in for a train derailment. I have to ask, what President does this? GWB was nowhere to be found, at the scene of the Chatsworth train derailment, where 25 people died. Nobody died in East Palestine. Maybe the partisan minded folks are still sensitive about the allegations that Bush and FEMA were slow to respond to the Hurricane Katrima disaster, which trashed New Orleans, and want to even the score by slamming the Biden Administration?
 
I could say the same of your position. Some politicians never pass up an opportunity to smear their competition, that is a reasonable statement, and one that is easily observable.
Let's see if I can make my response clearer. All is more than some. I was actually agreeing with you and taking it a step further. It's not just some politicians or political parties who smear to take advantage. They all do. If you think it's only the politician or the party that you dislike that does this you are fooling yourself.

Myrtle said:
The Biden administration through FEMA refused assistance for two weeks. After much criticism from all sides now FEMA is going to help. What do you think about this?

If you want to offer proof of this statement that would be well received. However, this statement has all the earkmarks of an attempt to use a tragic occurrence as a vehicle to make an unfair and inaccurate accusation.

The wreck happened on the third of February.

FEMA reverses course, will send assistance team to East Palestine following train derailment - Feb. 17, 2023​

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/s...lment/95-a8b15b75-fd50-4e9b-acd6-c99a36eeba10

I've also seen DeWine acknowledge that he and FEMA have been in touch since the accident happened. FEMA has not refused to talk to him. But as the linked story clearly states FEMA reversed course and said they would send an assistance team yesterday.

Now, finally, I hope they get some help other than that of the EPA. The EPA’s administrator, Michael Regan was there on Thursday the 16th. Here's a link.

‘Trust the government’: EPA seeks to reassure Ohio residents near toxic spill​

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...e-ohio-derailment-toxic-chemicals-epa-meeting
 
Let's see if I can make my response clearer. All is more than some. I was actually agreeing with you and taking it a step further. It's not just some politicians or political parties who smear to take advantage. They all do. If you think it's only the politician or the party that you dislike that does this you are fooling yourself.
OK, I'll take your word for it.
 
While people and politicians are pointing fingers at the Administration, the residents of East Palestine are busy pursuing recourse in the appropriate manner:
Residents near Ohio train derailment begin to file lawsuits

"A group of people who live or work near the derailment site have filed a class action suit against Norfolk Southern. The Feb. 3 incident resulted in a fire and chemical spill, forcing residents within a roughly 1-mile radius to evacuate. Several days later, the rail company released and burned vinyl chloride — a flammable gas — a move officials said would alleviate the risk of an explosion.

Authorities said residents could return home two days after that.

"Nobody can tell us what we should do other than 'It’s safe, go head on back in there,'" Feezle said, his voice crackly. "And the fish are dying and animals are dying and I can hardly talk and my chest hurts."

His lawsuit is one of at least six class action suits already filed against Norfolk Southern since the accident. For the most part, those suing the company allege that they’ve lost income due to evacuations, were exposed to cancer-causing chemicals and no longer feel safe in their homes.

Norfolk Southern said it was "unable to comment directly on litigation." But in a public update on Thursday, the company noted that in addition to its ongoing cleanup work, it was distributing more than $2 million in financial assistance to affected families and businesses to help with the costs of the evacuation, as well as creating a $1 million fund for the community."
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Norfolk Southern said it was "unable to comment directly on litigation." But in a public update on Thursday, the company noted that in addition to its ongoing cleanup work, it was distributing more than $2 million in financial assistance to affected families and businesses to help with the costs of the evacuation, as well as creating a $1 million fund for the community."
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If that's true, there's money from Norfolk Southern for the people displaced to find temporary housing. FEMA doesn't need to be there wasting our tax dollars. FEMA goes in when there are natural disasters, not for a train derailment. The EPA is already there addressing the environmental damage.

People just like to blame government for all the problems in the world, even when it's a private company that caused the problems.
 
FEMA goes in when there are natural disasters, not for a train derailment. The EPA is already there addressing the environmental damage.

People just like to blame government for all the problems in the world, even when it's a private company that caused the problems.

I was curious as to what disasters FEMA will or will not respond to; this was on their website & it appears it isn't just natural. This isn't to say that the RR shouldn't be held responsible for what occurred.

https://www.fema.gov/disaster/how-declared

Major Disaster Declarations


The President can declare a major disaster for any natural event, including any hurricane, tornado, storm, high water, wind-driven water, tidal wave, tsunami, earthquake, volcanic eruption, landslide, mudslide, snowstorm, or drought, or, regardless of cause, fire, flood, or explosion, that the President determines has caused damage of such severity that it is beyond the combined capabilities of state and local governments to respond. A major disaster declaration provides a wide range of federal assistance programs for individuals and public infrastructure, including funds for both emergency and permanent work.
 
In regards to these disasters, it always bothers me that
folks are mostly left to their own scraping money up to
rebuild their homes, etc...but of course big business gets
whatever they want from the gov't.....it is all the same money,
it all comes from working folks paying taxes and so on...so the
money should be available to all...IMHO....:unsure:
 
It wasn't as though the people there were asking the government to make them whole. They knew they had to sue the railroad and many suits have been filed. What the people wanted was a bridge, a bridge between disaster and normal life. They wanted enough help to get out of the area, to rent shelter and buy food. Some help with jobs would be nice. The things of daily life become very important in a major disaster and while this was limited in area and scope it was major to those affected.

Another thing of interest (and no, I am not going to look for links), I will just relate what I heard and if someone wants links they're probably out there. I heard it on radio news. The railroad apparently gave some people (just those in the immediate zip code) a check for $1000 to help them but they had to sign something. The source I was listening to was trying to find out if they were signing away their rights if they took the $1000 check. :mad:

The railroad may not survive the lawsuits and so be it. But, they are not solely responsible as some believe. The federal government has oversight over railroads and when you assume oversight you also assume a degree of responsibility. There will be investigations, the cause will be determined and the taxpayer may well bear part of the burden if government oversight failed.
 
It wasn't as though the people there were asking the government to make them whole. They knew they had to sue the railroad and many suits have been filed. What the people wanted was a bridge, a bridge between disaster and normal life. They wanted enough help to get out of the area, to rent shelter and buy food. Some help with jobs would be nice. The things of daily life become very important in a major disaster and while this was limited in area and scope it was major to those affected.

Another thing of interest (and no, I am not going to look for links), I will just relate what I heard and if someone wants links they're probably out there. I heard it on radio news. The railroad apparently gave some people (just those in the immediate zip code) a check for $1000 to help them but they had to sign something. The source I was listening to was trying to find out if they were signing away their rights if they took the $1000 check. :mad:

The railroad may not survive the lawsuits and so be it. But, they are not solely responsible as some believe. The federal government has oversight over railroads and when you assume oversight you also assume a degree of responsibility. There will be investigations, the cause will be determined and the taxpayer may well bear part of the burden if government oversight failed.
Sign a liability release to insure that is the maximum they can receive?
 
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I have/had a Superfund site in my neighborhood. Some chemicals are harmful in your drinking water, some can be absorbed thru the skin and others are toxic to shower in due breathing the steam. From what little I can see, they may have some of each. The other important thing that would concern me is if these chemicals mixed with each other and became even more toxic. Once they burned it the smoke and resulting film landed on every surface. And its winter so it was drawn into every home with a furnace. And it settled on every surface, every toy, dish, sofa, clothing, well you get it.
 
Sign a liability release to insure that is the maximum they can receive?
Most likely that's what it is.
Yes, something like that. It was speculation and curiosity on the part of the news person. They heard about it and were trying to find out. If I hear more about it I will post it. It doesn't seem to me that would be legal. It would be done under duress.
Exactly! If people need money now to help get food and a roof over their head, they'll sign anything to get that money.
 
I happened upon a link to a helpful website in a news story. The site belongs to the railroad and within it they address the rumor about giving up rights. There's other info there also.

Norfolk Southern continues to provide reimbursement for expenses incurred by residents affected by the evacuation, in addition to compensation for inconvenience during the evacuation, through our Family Assistance Center. Acceptance of these reimbursements and/or inconvenience compensation is not a settlement of any future claim.

https://nsmakingitright.com/
 
Here comes another law suit.
Where...you'll be seeing the lawyers ads on tv🙄
 


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