Ukraine dared to invade Russia!

Sadly - Yes. The Israeli war started when, 1948?!? Military intervention won't resolve it. If it could, it would have by now.
The Israeli war started in the 7th Century when Mohammad led his army of Islam against the Jewish settlement of Khaybar. That conflict was the beginning of what has become a never ending conflict of Islam against Jews.
 

The Israeli war started in the 7th Century when Mohammad led his army of Islam against the Jewish settlement of Khaybar. That conflict was the beginning of what has become a never ending conflict of Islam against Jews.

They're bombing bank branches in Lebanon, so I'm sure the threat will be over soon.
 
Back in the 20’s in an act of genocide known as the Holodomor Russia strangled, starved, and seized a large portion of Ukraine bordering Russia. 3.9 million UkraInIans died in the process.
How Joseph Stalin Starved Millions in the Ukrainian Famine | HISTORY

It is believed that the current conflict is, or was, the first step in an effort to reestablish the old Soviet Union, an effort that could ultimately involve Nato and might draw US troops into the conflict.
I understand there were events such as Holodomor. there have been many events in history where countries have done atrocities to another. Especially to get a past region back or expand their empire. But if we keep going back looking for these events, it only gets worse for humanity.

I dont think Russia cares about most former regions. Russia itself is loaded with resources. Many estimates say Russia has 3 times the resources of anyone else, and in abundance. They dont need to expand or get back regions they lost. Maybe for posturing, a buffer zone for mother Russia, or simply a larger military or workers. But I believe if they wanted Ukraine, they would have had it in weeks.
 
(But I believe if they wanted Ukraine, they would have had it in weeks.) Putin believed he could just drive 100 tanks down the Road and Ukraine would shiver and fly out the back door. The Ukraine's are well educated and capable of doing most any task they choose to pick. What I have heard is the Russians are a pack of Drunks.

Do Russians really drink as much as people think they do?

I think I only need to accept the fact the Putin is a greedy B-turd. May he reap what he hath sowed.
Rules of Love and War are Armageddons. So end it Puttttttttt. His days are numbered.
 
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(But I believe if they wanted Ukraine, they would have had it in weeks.) Putin believed he could just drive 100 tanks down the Road and Ukraine would shiver and fly out the back door. The Ukraine's are well educated and capable of doing most any task they choose to pick. What I have heard is the Russians are a pack of Drunks.

Do Russians really drink as much as people think they do?

I think I only need to accept the fact the Putin is a greedy B-turd. May he reap what he hath sowed.
Rules of Love and War are Armageddons. So end it Puttttttttt. His days are numbered.
There are two ways for Russians to stay warm, and the second is vodka.
 
(But I believe if they wanted Ukraine, they would have had it in weeks.) Putin believed he could just drive 100 tanks down the Road and Ukraine would shiver and fly out the back door. The Ukraine's are well educated and capable of doing most any task they choose to pick. What I have heard is the Russians are a pack of Drunks.

Do Russians really drink as much as people think they do?

I think I only need to accept the fact the Putin is a greedy B-turd. May he reap what he hath sowed.
Rules of Love and War are Armageddons. So end it Puttttttttt. His days are numbered.
Well you can believe what you like. Putin did not want Ukraine, he just wanted to protect the regions that separated.
How exactly is he a greedy b turd? Has Russia started any war recently or invaded anyone ever (WW2 notwithstanding)? By all means the US has invaded several countries illegally -without Nato approval- for lies and fraud. Libya, Afghan, Iraq, involved in many other countries under the table as well. Like for eg Israel. Lawfully they have no business there. Why are they involved?

Just tell me what Russia has done since 91-when they recovered after the fall of communism? Nothing.
 
Well you can believe what you like. Putin did not want Ukraine, he just wanted to protect the regions that separated.
How exactly is he a greedy b turd? Has Russia started any war recently or invaded anyone ever (WW2 notwithstanding)? By all means the US has invaded several countries illegally -without Nato approval- for lies and fraud. Libya, Afghan, Iraq, involved in many other countries under the table as well. Like for eg Israel. Lawfully they have no business there. Why are they involved?

Just tell me what Russia has done since 91-when they recovered after the fall of communism? Nothing.
Russia seized several neighboring countries. Putins cronies are mafia.
 
Which neighboring countries? Putins friends may be Mafia indeed, but still Russia starts no wars anywhere.

And again which countries?
Didn't Russia invade Poland along with Hitler and also invaded Finland during WWII? How about Afghanistan?
 
Didn't Russia invade Poland along with Hitler and also invaded Finland during WWII? How about Afghanistan?
Sorry we were referring to Russia, not USSR. Post 1991. But even back then Russia did not randomly invade countries. USSR responded to threats. According to records, USSR attacked Finland in response to Finland aggressively intruding in USSR territory. Poland is a grey area, as most of Poland was either German, Ukraine, Poland, Belarussian, etc. A lot of fuzzy lines back then. But we are referring to recent history.
 
My grandfather (long passed), born in Poland, Zewkow, fought in WW2 against the Germans with Russian help. His wife (my grandmother (again long gone), from Prushkov always spoke highly of Russians. So what is truth and what is propaganda is a very thin line.
 
Which neighboring countries? Putins friends may be Mafia indeed, but still Russia starts no wars anywhere.

And again which countries?
Soviet Union - Wikipedia
Which countries? Fourteen, not counting Russia.
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Russian SFSR
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Ukrainian SSR
3
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Byelorussian SSR
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Uzbek SSR
5
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Kazakh SSR
6
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Georgian SSR
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Azerbaijan SSR
8
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Lithuanian SSR
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Moldavian SSR
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Latvian SSR
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Kirghiz SSR
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Tajik SSR
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Armenian SSR
14
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Turkmen SSR
15
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Estonian SSR
And it is believed that Putin desired to re-establish the former USSR.

Restoration of empire is the endgame for Russia’s Vladimir Putin​

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/10/europe/russia-putin-empire-restoration-endgame-intl-cmd/index.html
 
Soviet Union - Wikipedia
Which countries? Fourteen, not counting Russia.
And it is believed that Putin desired to re-establish the former USSR.

Restoration of empire is the endgame for Russia’s Vladimir Putin​

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/10/europe/russia-putin-empire-restoration-endgame-intl-cmd/index.html
What are you talking about? Do you not read? After 1991 once Russia started it's recovery from the fall of communism...This is a list of former countries/regions of the USSR. There has been no wars with these countries by Russia.
 
Now reports of North Korea sending troops to help Russia in the Ukraine. The Wagner Group already seems to do alot of the heaving lifting/fighting for Russia. It sounds like Russian regular military isn't up to the task in part due to the lack of full resources and support.

The use of Russian allies is a sign there are problems with the Russian military 3 party participation increases the chances of the war expanding.
 
What are you talking about? Do you not read? After 1991 once Russia started it's recovery from the fall of communism...This is a list of former countries/regions of the USSR. There has been no wars with these countries by Russia.
The countries listed are not at war with Russia, with the exception of Ukraine, but they were members of the old USSR. It is believed by many that Putin has or had a desire to re-establish that old USSR. Did that mean war with the countries of the old USSR? Perhaps with many, but not all.

‘Cold War 2.0 has started’: Inside Putin’s strategy to rebuild the Soviet Union​

https://www.newsnationnow.com/morni...-putins-strategy-to-rebuild-the-soviet-union/

Want more? There is plenty out there. Of course that does not mean war with every former member of the old Soviet Union, but war has begun with Ukraine, a fundamental member of that former union.
 
The countries listed are not at war with Russia, with the exception of Ukraine, but they were members of the old USSR. It is believed by many that Putin has or had a desire to re-establish that old USSR. Did that mean war with the countries of the old USSR? Perhaps with many, but not all.

‘Cold War 2.0 has started’: Inside Putin’s strategy to rebuild the Soviet Union​

https://www.newsnationnow.com/morni...-putins-strategy-to-rebuild-the-soviet-union/

Want more? There is plenty out there. Of course that does not mean war with every former member of the old Soviet Union, but war has begun with Ukraine, a fundamental member of that former union.
Who cares what a News agency says. And in reality who cares if Putin himself said it. The point is there have been no wars, he has not attacked or done anything to any western country or any other country just because he wants their oil, or does not like their leader. Unlike the west which does that regularly.

So what if he wants to re-establish the old block. What if the countries want it as well? What if they just talk about it and agree to it? Who business is it?

In reality if you look at documentaries about several of the old block countries that are now independent, they really are not. They get massive funding from Russia, get dams built, highways built, treatment plants and so on. In all honesty, may of them never left, just renamed themselves from a region of USSR to a country.

My whole response to your original post is that you hate him and Russia a lot. But they have done nothing to you or the world to make you hate them so. Sad to say, but when people act like this, it creates division and therefore wars, usually over misconceptions, lies and deceit, or just propaganda. As a soldier serving in a few wars, I can tell you that is the wrong think.

I worked with many American soldiers and tell you I have many friends and fond memories of them. I truly respect and have the utmost honor, dignity and they were some of the most humanity centric people I've met. But....the US govt -not the people- are the biggest perpetrators of violence in the world. And whats worse, is that their violence is with no evidence or provocation whatsoever.

Who blew up the pipeline off the coast of Poland? Hmmm, biden talked about it, 2 weeks later it was done. Who cares about the damage done to the environment right? Who cares about the people of Eu who relied on that line right? It was a threat carried out at the whim of the US, who have no horse in that race! Technically an act of war.

Here in EU we have seen evidence of biolabs in Ukraine creating biological wmds funded by the US, that the Russians found. The Russians presented it to the EU and the UN, had inspectors come in, but nothing has come of it. Why not? Imagine if it was the other way around! OMG there would be worldwide upheaval! Bad Russians, evil Russians...Then basically unlimited evidence of Nazi-ism in Ukraine. No one can deny it. Anything said by Nato, UN, anyone? Nope.

Putin farts...bad evil man and country!
Ukraine biolabs, bio wmds, Nazis, good! Seriously how brainwashed do people have to be to think this way?

As for North Korea and possibly China assisting Russia...so what? Eng, Can, US, Ger, Fra and a whole host sent Ukraine tanks, planes, bombs, money. Oh thats ok but bad man can't have friends!!
 
Who cares what a News agency says. And in reality who cares if Putin himself said it. The point is there have been no wars, he has not attacked or done anything to any western country or any other country just because he wants their oil, or does not like their leader. Unlike the west which does that regularly.
There have been no wars?? What would you call what is going on in Ukraine?? As for Putin he is the one calling the shots. Would you like more? Glad to oblige!

Putin, before vote, says he'd reverse Soviet collapse if he could: agencies​

https://www.reuters.com/article/wor...-collapse-if-he-could-agencies-idUSKCN1GE2X4/

Putin rues Soviet collapse as demise of 'historical Russia'​

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-rues-soviet-collapse-demise-historical-russia-2021-12-12

 
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There have been no wars?? What would you call what is going on in Ukraine?? As for Putin he is the one calling the shots. Would you like more? Glad to oblige!

Putin, before vote, says he'd reverse Soviet collapse if he could: agencies​

https://www.reuters.com/article/wor...-collapse-if-he-could-agencies-idUSKCN1GE2X4/

Putin rues Soviet collapse as demise of 'historical Russia'​

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-rues-soviet-collapse-demise-historical-russia-2021-12-12

Sorry to be so frank...but do you not read at all? You can post all the links you want, but there is proof of Russia attacking anyone.
As for this Ukraine war you keep speaking abut, and for some reason won't let go...read how it started. Once again I will tell you.

Several regions of Ukraine voted to secede from Ukraine and be independent from Ukraine. They met the threshold set out in the law, and won their individual independence. Overwhelmingly I might add. Ukraine did not like that, and started attacking these regions. Russia warned them to stop, they did not, so Russia went in to defend these regions. End of story. No Russia starting war or being the aggressor. How do you not get that already?

Ukraine was the aggressor, started this whole thing. Russia reacted.

You need to learn to read and listen to people.

Either you are delusional, a govt stooge, or just plain old lost. Either way, I will not explain this to you anymore. If you haven't seen it by now, and don't understand, you never will.
 
Sorry to be so frank...but do you not read at all? You can post all the links you want, but there is proof of Russia attacking anyone.
As for this Ukraine war you keep speaking abut, and for some reason won't let go...read how it started. Once again I will tell you.

Several regions of Ukraine voted to secede from Ukraine and be independent from Ukraine. They met the threshold set out in the law, and won their individual independence. Overwhelmingly I might add. Ukraine did not like that, and started attacking these regions. Russia warned them to stop, they did not, so Russia went in to defend these regions. End of story. No Russia starting war or being the aggressor. How do you not get that already?

Ukraine was the aggressor, started this whole thing. Russia reacted.

You need to learn to read and listen to people.

Either you are delusional, a govt stooge, or just plain old lost. Either way, I will not explain this to you anymore. If you haven't seen it by now, and don't understand, you never will.
Shades of the American Civil War
 
Shades of the American Civil War
gruntlabor, when reading the above diatribes I was also wondering how any sovereign nation would be expected to react to 1.) a part or region of their country deciding that they wanted to be separate and independent, and then 2.) how would the expected government of that sovereign nation react if a bordering Sovereign nation then invade that disputed territory?

I look back at the American Civil War and wonder how our government would have reacted, if for example, Mexico decided to invade into the Southern secession states and basically took over that territory and then also decided to attack the Northern (Union) states. To me this is very similar to what has happened in Ukraine. I think most Americans know exactly what would have happened then and would happen today under a similar situation.

It was pointed out in an earlier thread that "They met the threshold set out in the law, and won their individual independence." I find it difficult to believe that a Ukrainian Constitution, or whatever they term their equivalent, would have included laws that would allow a portion of their country to be vote themselves separate and independent. BUT, if there is such a law why would Ukraine then "not like that, and started attacking these regions." This doesn't pass the smell test to me.

Can anyone confirm the wording in Ukraine's laws that anticipated the possibility that part of their sovereign nation could someday want to become independent and, if and when that happens, they can, by Ukrainian law, vote to secede if the majority voted to do so?
 


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