US Constitution

tnthomas said:
Do you not recall the G.W. Bush years?
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http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/every-presidents-executive-actions-in-one-chart/

How often have presidents used their executive orders
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tnthomas said:
Yes, regarding Bush's abuse of the Constitution, here's a good read. Some more. This one is from a website called Center for Constitutional Rights, appropriate for a thread such as this. Another good read: sourcewatch.org
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OK, I did look up and read lots of that information. All biased as from the liberal and Democrat side of the issues.

The American Prospects - liberal opinions and really not proofs of anything.

Forbes - more liberal opinions but also more general as it involves all Presidents situations. Very general actually.

Vincent Warren - opinions and does not like Obama either.

Source Watch - biased a lot. We had two war going on and for me, I liked the idea of a prison in Cuba rather than in the US itself. Full legal was being provided as was due for war folks. Reports by Democrats are hardly biased? Definitely biased. Just like many of the Republican reports will be. Biased to back up these party claims.

I say it again. I wish we were just people voting for our leaders and get away from these two major parties twisting things and doing their darnedest to control our ways of life. The people should do that job without all this outside pressure to look alike.
 
Why? Charts don't say much at all. Just numbers of statements, but not a word about content or intent.
 
BobF said:
Why? Charts don't say much at all. Just numbers of statements, but not a word about content or intent.
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See? This is our problem Bob. You present a theory and when it is adequately refuted, you want play semantics. Sorry, I am not a taxi dancer and I bore of your two step.
 
Oh for whatever. What was this theory I am supposed to have started? And how does this chart you are talking about refute what you claim I said? I was looking at the chart of Presidents and how many executive orders they each made. Nothing was said about those orders and if they were OK'd by the Congress or not or if they were big orders or just small insignificant orders. What have those charts said but numbers of orders.

As I remember it the problem that is getting many folks angry with Obama was his adding to the US debt to a number that goes way back closer to WWII and not one effort to avoid going into debt. Many of his actions have been in spite of the Congress and with out writing orders to do things. They just got done without orders at all. Like his changing of the Obama care rules and limits to suit different situations. Should all have gone through the Congress. So I still don't know what you were pointing at and calling it a theory.
 
Unfortunately this chart is not true, in fact it is grossly distorted and therefore not true. What they are calling the Republican debt is just not true. Look into the Bush years and it stays fairly level until his last two years when both the House and the Senate are won by Pelosi and Reid, both Democrats. Then it takes a hard turn up and continues up for all of Obama's years.

Compare the real chart to that faked up chart to see that difference. Read the bottom line of who was in charge of Congress as those debts went up. Notice the blue color in the last two years of Bush's term. Democrats in charge during the debt rise. Also check under Clinton's time and see who was in the Congress when his debt did a large drop. Congress is really supposed to be running the show, but not when Obama and his Democrat buddies are in control.

http://www.advisorperspectives.com/...-to-gdp.html?federal-debt-to-gdp-politics.gif

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BobF said:
Why? Charts don't say much at all. Just numbers of statements, but not a word about content or intent.
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Did you not visit the link that was included? The point of the chart was to show that executive orders have been used and if you really wanted to know what and how these orders have been carried out, you could have found that out instead of making false accusations against one man who has done nothing different than in using these these orders as past presidents have done on occasion. If you have information to verify that those presidents all used their orders differently each and every time, could you present that please, from what I've garnered from reading, Reagan and Bush have used their pen alter laws in the face of congress where they saw fit. And even if this president did do so without all the backings, how can that be any surprise when none ever have his back, sometimes one has to take a stand when you know it's never going to be about the good of the people, just about the other person's misguided need to appease the haters.

If anything, I guess he learned from previous presidents when and how to wield that pen.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/09/us/politics/09signing.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signing_statement

This thread started off with a bunch of links followed in kind, though I like would have included a few anyway.
 
OK, I went back to read the link on the chart, then I came to read the two links on your post. All were quite general in manner and matter. I still have no idea of what those other Presidents signed nor what Obama is signing. Only that they did sign some sort of notes showing their position on this or that. So unless I take more time and read all those letters, or at least read about them, I will not know what they were after.

Right now I think the one your post mentioned he wants to sign, I would say that the entire subject should be allowed to pass through Congress for debate and decisions prior to the President deciding to make it be his way and not that of the peoples representatives in Congress. After all, maybe the Congress will come up with something like what Obama wants anyway. We know that those folks will not be sent back to where they come from if clean. Those that are known to be criminals should be put into their countries hands as criminals usually are.

Obama has a lower score right now but we still have him for another year and a half for the next election. I expect he will add several more by then. One big effort of the current Congress is an effort to keep our massive debt from growing any more. Over 10 trillion more is way too much for our country to have to handle.

Thanks for your inputs. I did read them so your efforts were not wasted.
 
I am glad I re entered my post and asked for more attention. Sure got it. I know I have learned a lot, even though it was not about the Constitution as I had hoped. Have a good night folks.
 
Whew! I'm so glad to hear that you don't hate President Obama! What a relief! Now I can stop worrying about your blood pressure too! :)
 
BobF said:
OK, I did look up and read lots of that information. All biased as from the liberal and Democrat side of the issues.

The American Prospects - liberal opinions and really not proofs of anything.

Forbes - more liberal opinions but also more general as it involves all Presidents situations. Very general actually.

Vincent Warren - opinions and does not like Obama either.

Source Watch - biased a lot. We had two war going on and for me, I liked the idea of a prison in Cuba rather than in the US itself. Full legal was being provided as was due for war folks. Reports by Democrats are hardly biased? Definitely biased. Just like many of the Republican reports will be. Biased to back up these party claims.

I say it again. I wish we were just people voting for our leaders and get away from these two major parties twisting things and doing their darnedest to control our ways of life. The people should do that job without all this outside pressure to look alike.
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Disturbing response, but not entirely unexpected.
 
Why is my response so disturbing, annoying, whatever? Your suggested reading, my responses. Did you read my last paragraph?
 
BobF said:
Why is my response so disturbing, annoying, whatever? Your suggested reading, my responses. Did you read my last paragraph?
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What is wrong with your last paragraph is it's false equivalancy.. The majority of the lying and twisting comes from Republicans.
 

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