Utah and ID Checking

Jules

Jules

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I just heard this on a podcast. It must be a pain for restaurants. They wanted to scan his id to buy a coffee at Starbucks.

Anyplace that sells liquor has to scan your id, every time. It doesn’t matter your obvious age or what you’re having or even if they know you.

They can’t just look at the id, they have to scan it. This feels like the ultimate in having government tracking you.
 
Jules said:
I just heard this on a podcast. It must be a pain for restaurants. They wanted to scan his id to buy a coffee at Starbucks.

Anyplace that sells liquor has to scan your id, every time. It doesn’t matter your obvious age or what you’re having or even if they know you.

They can’t just look at the id, they have to scan it. This feels like the ultimate in having government tracking you.
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What is that from, a state law?
 
That Lady in PA said:
Yep... that's my point.I think the OP heard wrong regarding Starbucks - unless they do sell alcohol there. I don't go to Starbucks, so I don't know what all they sell.
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I don't go to Starbucks either, but if the person only wanted to buy a coffee it shouldn't be relevant whether the place sells alcohol or not.
 
We get carded in grocery stores and convenience stores when buying beer but not normally in liquor stores or bars/restaurants, go figure. 🤷‍♀️

It seems like there is a movement to have us display our ‘papers’ for almost everything these days.

Whatever happened to common sense?🤔

Edit:

I didn’t realize that Utah now restricts some people from buying alcohol due to previous DUI convictions.

“Under the new framework, courts can designate someone an “interdicted person,” a legal status that can follow certain serious alcohol-related driving outcomes such as an “extreme DUI.”
 
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We have similar here ( council by law) if you are buying more than x amount of spirits, or , I think, casks of wine. the reason they scan your ID is because there is a daily limit - s o you can't just buy it from one place and then more from another place, the 2nd place can see you have already purchased.

If you dont have a drivers licence you can easily get a proof of age card (although your age isnt the issue here, presuming you are over 18)

if you are the bar manager of a sports club or such like you can get an exemption.
 
"Assisting an interdicted person in obtaining alcohol is illegal in Utah and can result in severe criminal penalties for the person providing the alcohol. Under Utah Code § 32B-4-405 and the Alcoholic Product Liability Act, furnishing alcohol to a known interdicted person is classified as a Class B misdemeanor if done negligently, or a Class A misdemeanor if done intentionally.

Commercial establishments and individuals face additional civil liability under dram shop laws if the interdicted person causes injury or death after being served."
 
Starbucks generally does not require ID for regular customers purchasing coffee. However, ID is requested in specific scenarios, primarily to prevent fraud and enforce company policies.
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When ID is Requested:
  • Employee Discount Usage: If a Starbucks employee (partner) provides their numbers verbally rather than scanning their digital or physical "Partner Card" in the app, baristas are required to ask for ID to verify the name matches, according to company policy.
  • Birthday Rewards: When redeeming a free birthday drink, partners or rewards members may be asked to show ID to confirm their birthday.
  • Suspicious Activity: Baristas may ask for identification if they suspect partner numbers are being used fraudulently.
Notes on Policies:
  • App Usage: If a partner has their partner card linked to the Starbucks app and scans it, they generally do not need to show ID.
  • Alternatives: Sometimes, a name check, credit card name, or showing the partner card in the app is sufficient to avoid showing a government-issued ID.
  • Discretion: While policy dictates checking ID for verbal numbers, enforcement can vary by store management.
 
Aunt Bea said:
We get carded in grocery stores and convenience stores when buying beer but not normally in liquor stores or bars/restaurants, go figure. 🤷‍♀️

It seems like there is a movement to have us display our ‘papers’ for almost everything these days.

Whatever happened to common sense?🤔

Edit:

I didn’t realize that Utah now restricts some people from buying alcohol due to previous DUI convictions.

“Under the new framework, courts can designate someone an “interdicted person,” a legal status that can follow certain serious alcohol-related driving outcomes such as an “extreme DUI.”
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Well when a girl of 15 looks like she's 30 it's a problem. I saw a kid that 14 that looked like a college kid.
 
Correction by me. It was a coffee shop, not Starbucks. Sorry.

Here is part of the text from the podcast. Don’t read it if you don’t want to see a lot of profanity. Bill curses - an understatement.



We want to get a burger. And they go, do you have an ID? I go, why?
They go, we serve alcohol here. So I go, all right, well, we're not drinking. They go, well, you just had to take that.
.., the lady takes her .. phone to go scan the thing. I covered it up real quick. I'm like, what are you doing?
She goes, oh, we have to do this. This is a law.

what do you think they're doing with that .. that they scan? They bundle it and they sell it.
Name, address, driver's license number, who wants it?

“I went to a coffee shop. I went out to get coffee at .. 730 in the .. morning. And the barista asked me for a .., he wants to scan my driver's license for a .. cup of coffee.
..
And let's say even if I was getting a drink, what the .. happened to just showing you my ID proving that I was of age?”

 
Reminds me of the time my buddy Larry tried to buy a 6 pack of beer at a bar in 1964. He was born in 1947 so he was 17 at the time and the drinking age was 21. So he took his bic ball point pen and used it to change the 7 in his birth year to a 2 on his drivers license so it would make him 22. Back then the drivers licenses were written with typewriters. The bar tender took one look at his license, shook his head "no" and without saying a word handed back his license to him. :ROFLMAO:
 
Trade said:
Reminds me of the time my buddy Larry tried to buy a 6 pack of beer at a bar in 1964. He was born in 1947 so he was 17 at the time and the drinking age was 21. So he took his bic ball point pen and used it to change the 7 in his birth year to a 2 on his drivers license so it would make him 22. Back then the drivers licenses were written with typewriters. The bar tender took one look at his license, shook his head "no" and without saying a word handed back his license to him. :ROFLMAO:
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Resourceful lil guy, wasn't he? 🤣🤣🤣
 
I too looked older when a teen and got into places without ID. After years of working in store, I can tell you that we had times we were more diligent on checking id. machines could be programmed for no bypass and required entering a date. The no exceptions period or tightening of rules was not about the customer but our staff getting lazy and/ or the store failed a compliance test. Those tests love to use an underage who looks older. Fines for that are fairly expensive in my state for both store and employee.

I remember working a check stand and some guy who was old enough, but I needed to check. He was angry as he left his wallet in his truck told me to ask a cashier 2 aisles over. I told him go thru her line because if she gets fired it had no effect on me making my mortgage, but the store tightened rules and I need an ID ..... he went to his truck got his ID.

I am not surprised it came to scanning an ID for alcohol or age restricted items because even when cash register needs a date entered, many cashiers just used same qualifying date over and over. Really hard to prove you checked in a compliance test when ppl just types in a random date. This would also be helpful in selling to someone who already had too much which is sometimes a big issue.

Liability now outweighs customer convenience or privacy.
 
This just happened to me a few months ago. The checkout guy wanted to scan my driver's licence for buying a 6 pack of beer.
"Why, everything you need to know is on the front of my ID, I'm 73 years old!"

The cashier said it doesn't matter and he still had to scan my ID, citing some new law going into effect. So I put my wallet back in my pocket and left the beer there.

This is the only store here in town that this has happened to me. So I went home, did some research, and...

California state law does not require your driver's license to be scanned when buying alcohol. While businesses are required to verify age (usually for those appearing under 30) and often scan IDs to comply with "carding everyone" policies or to prevent fraud, scanning is a voluntary, private business practice rather than a mandatory state law.
 
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