Vaccine Scientist Says It's Not Feasible To Keep Vaccinating People

[Medusa]

@Sunny, I would like to see everyone on earth vaccinated; that would probably put an end to the pandemic. But when has that ever happened, in human history?

Smallpox (They may not have vaccinated every single person, planted-wide, but their wide-scale, global effort did create enough heard immunity to erradicate the virus.

Of course that was one virus. - I was just touching on that one point above.

 

[Nosy Bee-54]

I read that somewhere as well. He also said something about the possibility of wide spread vaccinations, rather to just to the vulnerable, actually being part of the problem in the rapid mutations. I'm paraphrasing and I don't even remember where I read that so...

If I remember correctly, it was a Texas politician at the beginning of the pandemic that said we should sacrifice grandma to save the economy.

 

[Medusa]

If I remember correctly, it was a Texas politician at the beginning of the pandemic that said we should sacrifice grandma to save the economy.

What Dr. Malone was saying is that we should reserve the vaccinations for the vulnerable. That would include Granny.

 

[Shero]

And not everyone on the planet was vaccinated against smallpox and polio. It isn't necessary to vaccinate EVERYONE.

What a naive comment!! In the era of smallpox, not every corner of the planet had smallpox, so therefore no need for vaccine.
Also, people rarely travelled, and therefore no fear of world wide spread.

Today, most travel, and take their diseases with them, that is why all must be vaxxed.
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[chic]

"We do it with the flu?" When has a flu shot been recommended every 3-6 months?

I read that somewhere as well. He also said something about the possibility of wide spread vaccinations, rather to just to the vulnerable, actually being part of the problem in the rapid mutations. I'm paraphrasing and I don't even remember where I read that so...

Yes he did say that. Inoculating mass populations DURING a pandemic leads to all the variants we are seeing. He wanted only the vulnerable to be vaccinated. Coincides with what we were all told at the outset of this two years ago.

 

[Pink Biz]

If I remember correctly, it was a Texas politician at the beginning of the pandemic that said we should sacrifice grandma to save the economy.

True. In March of 2020 Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick of Texas suggested that Granny and Gramps should lay down their lives to save Wall Street.

https://www.sacurrent.com/sanantoni...e-to-protect-wall-street/Content?oid=23306995

 

[Medusa]

And not everyone on the planet was vaccinated against smallpox and polio. It isn't necessary to vaccinate EVERYONE.

This is why I referred to heard immunity in that case. And, what I'm hoping for this in one.

 

[Aneeda72]

That's why the cost of a dozen eggs or a gallon of gas went up. The bill has come due and we're all paying on it.

So I guess I am not getting a thank you, .

The price of gas always go up. People travel less, gas goes down, people travel more, gas goes up. This is true since the beginning of gas. Add on to the fact that there was less travel the last couple years and the gouge factor appears.

Companies want to gain that lost income. And they will

As for the cost of eggs-truckers move those eggs, deliver those those eggs. There is a shortage of truckers so companies pay them more. The trucks use fuel and fuel has gone up. The price of the containers the eggs come has gone up. The ink they print the cartons with etc. Thus the price of eggs goes up.

I doubt the egg farmers (?) or any farmer is making a killing on the increase in price of their products. In fact, they may not be making any extra money at all. They might be making less. But others are making a killing.

It reminds me of a fairy tale-for want of a horseshoe the kingdom was lost.

I personally think this house of cards is going to crash, and crash hard. It is not sustainable. But, what do I know? Nothing, nothing at all.

 

[OneEyedDiva]

I read that somewhere as well. He also said something about the possibility of wide spread vaccinations, rather to just to the vulnerable, actually being part of the problem in the rapid mutations. I'm paraphrasing and I don't even remember where I read that so...

I posted a reply somewhere about vaccinations being part of the reason viruses mutate, but I don't remember which thread now. Unvaccinated were also cited as part of the problem.

I got my shot for free at our local health department. I found out they were charging those without insurance $20 (if one could pay) for the COVID test the first time I got tested.

 

[Shero]

Do vaccines cause virus mutations?

Virologist Friedemann Weber from Justus Liebig University in the western German city of Giessen told DW that it was not the vaccinated who gave rise to new escape mutations and variants, but the unvaccinated: "It was infected people who provided a breeding ground for the new variant and immune escape of the virus."
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[Jeni]

https://stuartbramhall.wordpress.co...ge-price-for-covid-mass-vaccination-campaign/

Virologist: ‘We Are Going to Pay Huge Price’ for COVID Mass Vaccination Campaign​

Posted on March 15, 2021

As u see by the date just like a couple months short of a year ago ... virologist had doubts and concerns now it is really coming to light

another quote from article

“We are going to pay a huge price for this. And I’m becoming emotional because I’m thinking of my children, of the younger generation. I mean, it’s just impossible what we are doing. We don’t understand the pandemic.”

 

[Becky1951]

""It was infected people who provided a breeding ground for the new variant and immune escape of the virus."

And vaccinated people get infected also. Odd that Delta came about after so many were vaccinated.

 

[Alice November]

Do vaccines cause virus mutations?

Virologist Friedemann Weber from Justus Liebig University in the western German city of Giessen told DW that it was not the vaccinated who gave rise to new escape mutations and variants, but the unvaccinated: "It was infected people who provided a breeding ground for the new variant and immune escape of the virus."
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Who in their right mind would believe anybody from Just Us Lie Big University?

 

[Jeni]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-2022-learn-live-covid-120004607.html

I thought there was a small trickle of sense was happening as some regardless of their own vaccine status agreeing that some things simply do not add up...
the ever changing goal posts, the mixed messages........ all being turned to the public just did not hear us right.
the rare and no problem breakthrough cases and not as Rare and sometimes not as easy ....as they they told us....

They all of a sudden want to recognize NATURAL IMMUNITY.... as seen in link and partial article (in red) below after almost a year of being told nope natural immunity means nothing you must get a shot....natural immunity fades ...but as we see so does the shot

After pushing and making it seem like the CDC was going to say boosters were needed to be fully vaxxed now they are saying "oh no we are not going that way"... and they even keep playing handball with isolation times...
Maybe because many who complied with first round feel duped and do not want the booster FOREVER... places from military to medical personnel all fired for no shot ..... imagine how thin the ranks might be if those who say no to booster had to go too....

They have found an out with Omicron .....
the fear machine in the media slowing down......it is something we need to learn to live with............... here is a reality check that is what many who did not want shots have said ALL along.
Although the death number is high .......it still only represents less the 1% of population and those #s may be shaking as many died WITH covid were counted as died FROM covid. That will not help people who lost someone.

The hard part is ahead of us probably a harder task then trying to vaccinate everyone..... trying to move on and get along..
It will be hard to smile at seeing a family member who decided someone was dead to them without the "shot" ... it will be hard to give up the blame game mantra too i suppose.

Why 2022 Is the Year We Learn to Live With COVID-19​

Hopes of eliminating COVID-19 in the U.S. through vaccine-generated herd immunity are now dashed.
Instead, with the rapid spread of the highly infectious Omicron variant, we need to focus on 2022 as the year that in the U.S. will usher in a new era of “living with the virus.”
In epidemiology terms this means transitioning from pandemicity to endemicity, as the virus moves from its phase of widespread devastation to episodic local flare-ups and settles into long-term cohabitation with its human host. SARS-CoV-2 will still pose a threat to vulnerable and unvaccinated Americans, but experts believe it will no longer represent a major public health danger to those who are immune through either vaccination or natural infection.
Widespread U.S. natural immunity has occurred at a tragic cost with over 800,000 deaths and a significant trail of Long COVID disability and extensive economic, mental health and educational damage.

 

[Aneeda72]

I posted a reply somewhere about vaccinations being part of the reason viruses mutate, but I don't remember which thread now. Unvaccinated were also cited as part of the problem.

I got my shot for free at our local health department. I found out they were charging those without insurance $20 (if one could pay) for the COVID test the first time I got tested.

People are not supposed to be charged. I wonder if there is somewhere you could report this behavior

 

[Aneeda72]

""It was infected people who provided a breeding ground for the new variant and immune escape of the virus."

And vaccinated people get infected also. Odd that Delta came about after so many were vaccinated.

Would you not have to find exactly where Delta started and find out how many in the area where Delta started were vaccinated vs unvaccinated to consider it odd the Delta started after so many were vaccinated?

Just asking, but, you know, I do not really care.

 

[Aneeda72]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-2022-learn-live-covid-120004607.html

I thought there was a small trickle of sense was happening as some regardless of their own vaccine status agreeing that some things simply do not add up...
the ever changing goal posts, the mixed messages........ all being turned to the public just did not hear us right.
the rare and no problem breakthrough cases and not as Rare and sometimes not as easy ....as they they told us....

They all of a sudden want to recognize NATURAL IMMUNITY.... as seen in link and partial article (in red) below after almost a year of being told nope natural immunity means nothing you must get a shot....natural immunity fades ...but as we see so does the shot

After pushing and making it seem like the CDC was going to say boosters were needed to be fully vaxxed now they are saying "oh no we are not going that way"... and they even keep playing handball with isolation times...
Maybe because many who complied with first round feel duped and do not want the booster FOREVER... places from military to medical personnel all fired for no shot ..... imagine how thin the ranks might be if those who say no to booster had to go too....

They have found an out with Omicron .....
the fear machine in the media slowing down......it is something we need to learn to live with............... here is a reality check that is what many who did not want shots have said ALL along.
Although the death number is high .......it still only represents less the 1% of population and those #s may be shaking as many died WITH covid were counted as died FROM covid. That will not help people who lost someone.

The hard part is ahead of us probably a harder task then trying to vaccinate everyone..... trying to move on and get along..
It will be hard to smile at seeing a family member who decided someone was dead to them without the "shot" ... it will be hard to give up the blame game mantra too i suppose.

Why 2022 Is the Year We Learn to Live With COVID-19​

Hopes of eliminating COVID-19 in the U.S. through vaccine-generated herd immunity are now dashed.
Instead, with the rapid spread of the highly infectious Omicron variant, we need to focus on 2022 as the year that in the U.S. will usher in a new era of “living with the virus.”
In epidemiology terms this means transitioning from pandemicity to endemicity, as the virus moves from its phase of widespread devastation to episodic local flare-ups and settles into long-term cohabitation with its human host. SARS-CoV-2 will still pose a threat to vulnerable and unvaccinated Americans, but experts believe it will no longer represent a major public health danger to those who are immune through either vaccination or natural infection.
Widespread U.S. natural immunity has occurred at a tragic cost with over 800,000 deaths and a significant trail of Long COVID disability and extensive economic, mental health and educational damage.

The thing is, can we actually live with Covid? Or do we just die with it? I don’t know.

It could mutate again into something worst. Omicron seems to be very bad for the children, especially the young children. Yet I still see people bringing their very young babies out in public.

At this point in time, I believe we can only be certain that we do not know enough about Covid-19 to be certain of anything. I worry about my 3 year old great granddaughter

 

[Tom 86]

I don't know what to believe anymore. We have so-called experts on local TV Saying we are now making the 4th booster shot. Then we have Drs saying we don't need booster shots as the antibodies are in your system & you just need to give them time to work & get rid of the virus.

Then we have more so-called experts saying they are "pushing" all these shots & boosters so the pharmaceuticals that make them can make more $$. they are just experimenting with the people since they can't & don't know how to make the right shots.

Some Drs are on TV saying do not get the flu & Conav shot at the same time, as they both are virus antibodies & can interfere with each other. Then Hospitals are saying they are getting a lot of people & children in with both flu & Conav-19 because of the double shots.

So WHO do you believe? We got too many "experts" saying different things. I'm so mad & aggravated at this.

 

[Tom 86]

One more thing. The Drs are also saying these pharmaceutical Companies don't know the long-term effects of these shots. They are seeing people now that have all their shots but now have major lung damage after 6 to 8 months. Some are also mutating into liver & kidney problems.

 

[Aneeda72]

I don't know what to believe anymore. We have so-called experts on local TV Saying we are now making the 4th booster shot. Then we have Drs saying we don't need booster shots as the antibodies are in your system & you just need to give them time to work & get rid of the virus.

Then we have more so-called experts saying they are "pushing" all these shots & boosters so the pharmaceuticals that make them can make more $$. they are just experimenting with the people since they can't & don't know how to make the right shots.

Some Drs are on TV saying do not get the flu & Conav shot at the same time, as they both are virus antibodies & can interfere with each other. Then Hospitals are saying they are getting a lot of people & children in with both flu & Conav-19 because of the double shots.

So WHO do you believe? We got too many "experts" saying different things. I'm so mad & aggravated at this.

It is confusing so I am going with the original. 30 days between vaccines. Joey was vaccinated with a second shot for pneumonia so he has two wait a couple weeks longer for his Covid booster, in my opinion.

Since Omicron doesn’t not seem to care if you are vaccinated or not, Joey will get his Covid booster Feb 10 instead of Jan 19; so there is no chance the vaccines will cause each other issues.

We can only do our best and no one knows what they are doing.

 

[Aneeda72]

One more thing. The Drs are also saying these pharmaceutical Companies don't know the long-term effects of these shots. They are seeing people now that have all their shots but now have major lung damage after 6 to 8 months. Some are also mutating into liver & kidney problems.

When I saw my cancer doctor, he told me that they are seeing more and more liver failures and they have no ideal why. (Liver failure can lead to liver cancer) I am waiting to get a test to see what stage of liver failure I am in. I have never drank and never had Covid. But I do have fatty liver diease.

But the doctors are seeing people with liver failure with no history of disease. So I don’t know.

 

[John cycling]

My son, Joey . . . was vaccinated . . . was hospitalized . . . His lungs were pretty much negatively impacted . . . He is still on oxygen.

Joey will get his Covid booster Feb 10 instead of Jan 19; so there is no chance the vaccines will cause each other issues.

When I saw my cancer doctor, he told me that they are seeing more and more liver failures and they have no ideal why.
But the doctors are seeing people with liver failure with no history of disease.

When the truth keeps smacking you right in the face - and you still keep refusing to see it.

 

[WhatInThe]

The booster shot is free, regardless of your immigration or health insurance status. If you get billed, contest it with your vaccine provider or report it by calling 1-800-HHS-TIPS.

~Same thing applies to the initial vaccines as well.~

It's free to recipients in the US. It's not free for the taxpayers that are footing the bill.

It's not just cost either how long can or should big pharma, the supply chain etc devote time, resources just for this virus..

 

[Aneeda72]

When the truth keeps smacking you right in the face - and you still keep refusing to see it.

You left out the part about vaccines saving his life , but I forgive you. Alzheimer’s is a terrible disease

 

[feywon]

Funny he should say that since annual flu shots are the similar because itbis the nature of viruses to mutate. I don't know about other countries or even other US citizens but my Medicare Maintenance Insurance people nag me about getting it every year.