W10 free upgrade ending soon
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Don M.
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You're gonna love computing just a little bit more.
So far, I am quite satisfied with W10. However, on my bucket list...sometime this Winter, when I'm "housebound", I plan to partition my HD, and load Linux Mint, and begin exploring it. I use several "open source" programs, and they are as good...or better...than what a commercial program is...IMO. By then, I wouldn't be surprised if MS starts trying to play games with W10 users, so Linux may well be a better option.
I downloaded Windows 10, then rolled back twice to Windows 7.
I just didn't like Cortana, I didn't like the darned tiles at the side.
I wanted something that I was mostly familiar with.
I read up on how to get rid of all of that before I did the last download.
Did the download, got rid of all the extraneous junk, and I'm happy enough with it now.
I just didn't like Cortana, I didn't like the darned tiles at the side.
I wanted something that I was mostly familiar with.
I read up on how to get rid of all of that before I did the last download.
Did the download, got rid of all the extraneous junk, and I'm happy enough with it now.
Son_of_Perdition
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Speculation on Windows 10 subscription pricing?
Microsoft has yet to reveal the pricing structure for Windows 10, but all the speculation out there seems to point to something completely different from the way that Microsoft has sold Windows in the past. The one rumor that seems to carry the most weight is a subscription model similar to what Microsoft has already set up for Office 365.
Instead of buying Office 365, you essentially rent it by the month or by the year. You install the Office package and run the actual applications on your system, just like in the past. The only difference is how you pay for it. Instead of forking out a big bundle of cash up front, you pay as you go.
You can rent a single copy of Office 365, called the Personal package, for $6.99 a month or $69.99 for a year. You can rent five copies of Office 365, called the Home package, for $9.99 a month or $99.99 for a year. The only requirement is that you get online at least once every 30 days in order for Office to call home and verify your subscription. Other than that, Office 365 looks and feels exactly like Office 2013.
So, if we were to take this pricing model and apply it to Windows 10, what would it look like?
Let's start by using the price of Office 2013 Professional vs. the price of Office 365 Personal as a base. We'll use Office 2013 Professional, since it comes with the same set of applications as Office 365. Office 2013 Professional currently costs $399.99 and Office 365 Personal goes for $69.99. If we take a percentage, we find that $69.99 is roughly 17.5% of $399.99.
Let's now take the price of Windows 8.1 Pro ($199.99) and suppose that's what the price of Windows 10 would be. If we use the percentage we found for Office 365 Personal and apply it to Windows 10 (17.5% of $199) we can guess that a Windows 10 rental would go for $34.99 per year. That's not too bad.
Now, if we look back at the Windows 7 FamilyPack deal Microsoft made available, we can see that the company is not averse to selling the Windows operating system as a package. While that package only came with three copies, we can speculate that since Office 365 comes as a five copy package, it would make sense that Windows 10 would be available as five copy package for bundling purposes.
If we take a percentage of the Office 365 Home, we find that $99.99 is roughly 25% of $399.99. If we then take that same percentage and apply it to Windows 10 (25% of $199.99) we can guess that a five copy Windows 10 rental would go for $49.99 per year. Again, not too bad.
What's your take?
Keep in mind that this subscription model that I've laid out is all speculation. But if Microsoft came out with something like this, would you be agreeable to it? How much do you think a Windows 10 subscription should cost?
Microsoft has yet to reveal the pricing structure for Windows 10, but all the speculation out there seems to point to something completely different from the way that Microsoft has sold Windows in the past. The one rumor that seems to carry the most weight is a subscription model similar to what Microsoft has already set up for Office 365.
Instead of buying Office 365, you essentially rent it by the month or by the year. You install the Office package and run the actual applications on your system, just like in the past. The only difference is how you pay for it. Instead of forking out a big bundle of cash up front, you pay as you go.
You can rent a single copy of Office 365, called the Personal package, for $6.99 a month or $69.99 for a year. You can rent five copies of Office 365, called the Home package, for $9.99 a month or $99.99 for a year. The only requirement is that you get online at least once every 30 days in order for Office to call home and verify your subscription. Other than that, Office 365 looks and feels exactly like Office 2013.
So, if we were to take this pricing model and apply it to Windows 10, what would it look like?
Let's start by using the price of Office 2013 Professional vs. the price of Office 365 Personal as a base. We'll use Office 2013 Professional, since it comes with the same set of applications as Office 365. Office 2013 Professional currently costs $399.99 and Office 365 Personal goes for $69.99. If we take a percentage, we find that $69.99 is roughly 17.5% of $399.99.
Let's now take the price of Windows 8.1 Pro ($199.99) and suppose that's what the price of Windows 10 would be. If we use the percentage we found for Office 365 Personal and apply it to Windows 10 (17.5% of $199) we can guess that a Windows 10 rental would go for $34.99 per year. That's not too bad.
Now, if we look back at the Windows 7 FamilyPack deal Microsoft made available, we can see that the company is not averse to selling the Windows operating system as a package. While that package only came with three copies, we can speculate that since Office 365 comes as a five copy package, it would make sense that Windows 10 would be available as five copy package for bundling purposes.
If we take a percentage of the Office 365 Home, we find that $99.99 is roughly 25% of $399.99. If we then take that same percentage and apply it to Windows 10 (25% of $199.99) we can guess that a five copy Windows 10 rental would go for $49.99 per year. Again, not too bad.
What's your take?
Keep in mind that this subscription model that I've laid out is all speculation. But if Microsoft came out with something like this, would you be agreeable to it? How much do you think a Windows 10 subscription should cost?
HazyDavey
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I've been using win 10 for about ten days now, still looking & learning and still on the fence. As far as a monthly subscription goes, at this point I would say no. I've discovered I've lost or can't use some of my "go to" programs, one being Windows DVD Maker (not movie maker) which I think is a great program. And other programs that I have loaded and now won't run on win 10. Plus there's no ad blocker or tracking protection that I can find, I'm blitzed with all these pop up's and banners now. I know there are ad blocker programs you can down load but why should you have to? My win 7 was great at doing that.
So.. I'm going to trudge on with win 10 and see how it goes, I have found some new things that I like. I've got my old win 7 on DVD back up's and on a external HD, so if it doesn't work out for me I'll go back to win 7 and just use this computer for off line & studio work. Then I guess get me a Mac for on line, my brother has been using one for years and he loves it.
So.. I'm going to trudge on with win 10 and see how it goes, I have found some new things that I like. I've got my old win 7 on DVD back up's and on a external HD, so if it doesn't work out for me I'll go back to win 7 and just use this computer for off line & studio work. Then I guess get me a Mac for on line, my brother has been using one for years and he loves it.
Son_of_Perdition
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https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/TaaS-Terms-Conditions/categoryID.70263300
This ad is for support, updates that businesses can take for the purchase of a laptop/tablet 'Surface' from MS.
In the last few days, I've seen a few ads for the established Office 365 subscription service around the web. It you read the ad above you will find that it was generated by MS but the service is through a separate site. I didn't follow it far enough to track who actually owns the site. There is hundreds of sites claiming MS will NOT charge for updates or support, as is there as many sites speculating that there will be a fee based subscription requirement down the road. Especially since the announcement of a $7 monthly fee based Enterprise subscription that will be charged for each seat of a businesses. It's makes sense for businesses to buy into the fee, tax purposes, keeping technology current, reduced staff requirements. But, for the average user the fee will be one of those small charges that usually slip through the cracks in a personal budget.
Remember it's not the $100 payments that eat away at your finances it's the small convenience fees that have become a standard in our society, atm fees, auto insurance monthly payments fees, credit card fees, utility fees,,,etc. Many miss the $9.84 charges on you credit card or checking account, piling up millions for the hackers. Keeping a constant vigil was one of the first lessons I encountered when I established a personal budget after retirement. I thought I had kept pretty good tabs on my money but realized after 6 months budgeting my fixed income that I had been duped for years in the name of convenience.
I guess my worries are unfounded, I'm getting feedback that everyone knew about the possibility of a fee based subscription with Win 10. My question is 'Why would you subject your control, finances & privacy when there are alternatives that work just as well?'.
This ad is for support, updates that businesses can take for the purchase of a laptop/tablet 'Surface' from MS.
In the last few days, I've seen a few ads for the established Office 365 subscription service around the web. It you read the ad above you will find that it was generated by MS but the service is through a separate site. I didn't follow it far enough to track who actually owns the site. There is hundreds of sites claiming MS will NOT charge for updates or support, as is there as many sites speculating that there will be a fee based subscription requirement down the road. Especially since the announcement of a $7 monthly fee based Enterprise subscription that will be charged for each seat of a businesses. It's makes sense for businesses to buy into the fee, tax purposes, keeping technology current, reduced staff requirements. But, for the average user the fee will be one of those small charges that usually slip through the cracks in a personal budget.
Remember it's not the $100 payments that eat away at your finances it's the small convenience fees that have become a standard in our society, atm fees, auto insurance monthly payments fees, credit card fees, utility fees,,,etc. Many miss the $9.84 charges on you credit card or checking account, piling up millions for the hackers. Keeping a constant vigil was one of the first lessons I encountered when I established a personal budget after retirement. I thought I had kept pretty good tabs on my money but realized after 6 months budgeting my fixed income that I had been duped for years in the name of convenience.
I guess my worries are unfounded, I'm getting feedback that everyone knew about the possibility of a fee based subscription with Win 10. My question is 'Why would you subject your control, finances & privacy when there are alternatives that work just as well?'.
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Butterfly
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I was talking to a Dell technician about a software problem I was having, and asked him about W10. He told me that my Dell desktop (Inspiron 560) wouldn't work correctly with W10 because of issues with Dell drivers and that many of the apps wouldn't work.
My question is, and I've searched the net trying to find answers, is WHAT apps are we talking about? I don't care about most of them, anyway. I'm quite happy with the apps I have now and really don't see any reason to upgrade anyway.
Does anyone see any real benefit to W10 over W7?
My question is, and I've searched the net trying to find answers, is WHAT apps are we talking about? I don't care about most of them, anyway. I'm quite happy with the apps I have now and really don't see any reason to upgrade anyway.
Does anyone see any real benefit to W10 over W7?
Don M.
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From a practical standpoint, most home users will find little need for W10. However, long term, as MS pushes W7 to the back burner, W7 users will be increasingly exposed to performance and hacking issues, as MS quits supporting W7. There are still some people out there who are probably using W95, etc., but they probably don't use their PC's much.
Most of the "name brand" PC's are loaded with manufacturers software that can create any number of performance, compatibility and upgrade issues. About the only thing the owner of such a system can do is to make sure they have all the latest drivers, etc., installed....or, if they have the skills, go through all the installed programs, and Delete most of these manufacture specific programs...making sure, of course that they have an alternative loaded and ready to install.
Butterfly
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Well, Dell (definitely a name brand manufacturer) says some of its drivers won't work right with it, even the most recently updated ones. I'm just wondering what parts won't work right -- I just use my PC for personal stuff, not very many documents or anything exotic, no serious gaming (just little games like solitaire, etc.), bill paying, web surfing and e-mail.
Don M.
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If you have contacted Dell, and the person you talked to recommends Not using W10, I suspect the Dell rep is less than "knowledgeable". Dell, along with virtually All PC makers is supplying W10 with its current systems. You might wish to go to the Dell Website, and look for any updates/drivers that may not be installed on your system.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3002...gents-advise-callers-to-ditch-windows-10.html
HazyDavey
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Just thought I would bump this, I'm pretty sure today the 29th is the last day for the free upgrade to win10. I made the switch from win7 to win10 on the 8th and I'm getting more comfortable as I go along. I've had to give up some programs that I really liked, but I'm remembering when I went from XP to win7 I also had to make some adjustments.
And so it goes..
And so it goes..
I decided not to give up my Windows 7 license for a Windows 10 upgrade. Windows 7 does what I want it to do(pretty much), and can continue getting MS updates until January 14, 2020
Linux does all I need and want anyway, so no need to get further involved with Microsoft products.
Linux does all I need and want anyway, so no need to get further involved with Microsoft products.
Don M.
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I've been on W10 for 7 or 8 months now, and have found no reason to revert back to W7. Everything I was able to do on W7, I can do on W10, and in many cases things go smoother on W10. There is a major upgrade for W10 due on August 2nd, and CNET, etc., is giving the changes a positive review. One of the things that should be coming is an ad blocker for Windows Edge...and if that is the case, I may start using Edge as my primary browser...if I no longer have to wade through ads and commercials.
HazyDavey
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I've heard about the August 2nd upgrade, and a ad blocker would be the bee's knees. This is just me getting used to a new OS, it is kind of fun to noodle around and see what's under the hood.
Don M.
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I've heard about the August 2nd upgrade, and a ad blocker would be the bee's knees. This is just me getting used to a new OS, it is kind of fun to noodle around and see what's under the hood.
Yup, its always interesting to dive into something "new" on the computer. I probably spent a few hours, over the first few days, "exploring" W10, and getting everything set up the way I wanted it. One of the things you will want to become familiar with is the "Settings" icon...the little White Gear. Browsing through the various options there will allow you to customize pretty much everything. About the Only trouble I've had was a few weeks ago, when I hit some combination of keys that put my system into "Tablet" mode. I lost all my shortcuts, etc., when that happened. However, going through the settings, I found the Tablet Mode turned on, and when I shut that off, everything was back to normal.
HazyDavey
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Thanks Don, appreciate all your help and wisdom. I'll stay away from Tablet Mode.
Don M.
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I've become quite comfortable with W10...the first few hours/days did take some learning, but it wasn't that big a deal. Supposedly, Windows is in the process of releasing their "Anniversary Upgrade". but it hasn't shown up on my system yet. From what I've read, there isn't going to be much in that update that will affect my usage...but, I am ready for another "learning curve" if necessary.
HazyDavey
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Was reading about the Anniversary Upgrade just yesterday. You can waite for it to get to your computer, or just go to their website and download it now. I haven't gotten it yet either but I think I'll just waite. I'm at the point now where I'm liking win 10 and wouldn't want to go back to win 7. I'll always have fond memories :love_heart: of using win 7 and XP but I've become part of the collective, resistance is futile.
Don M.
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When I fired up my system this afternoon, it went into an upgrade which required a Restart. I thought it might be the Anniversary update, but it was just the monthly upgrade to V. 1511. I looks like the Anniversary update is still being rolled out, and hasn't reached my yet. So far, the only problems I've read about seem to be related to those using WiFi...requiring a driver update to their WiFi router. Soooo, I'll just be patient, and wait.
HazyDavey
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Oh crud.. The wife's on a hard line but I'm on WiFi back here in my little manly cave. Aww no worries, I think I'm up to the task plus I'm looking forward to that Ad Blocker that comes with the upgrade.
Don M.
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It appears that any WiFi issues are easily resolved by downloading the latest drivers for the WiFi router....so you might want to check that out, and install any updates that may be out there. I think Edge is supposed to be upgraded such that ABP will work as an Ad Blocker on that browser. I have been using ABP on Chrome for over 2 years, and it has blocked way over a million ads with no problems. Some sites, such as Forbes, do note the ad blocker, and require it be stopped to view their site...but that is an easy and quick step to turn it off....and then back on after viewing the site.
HazyDavey
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Alright.. Thanks Don for the info!!