We’re running out of Greeks and Italians!!

Brookswood

Brookswood

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The birth rate in Italy and now Greece has fallen so far below the replacement rate that both these countries be vastly underpopulated later this century, unless they greatly increase immigration.
 

hollydolly said:
There's enough of them here to fill the gap...
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It's conceivable to me that some of the people of Greek or Italian heritage in the UK could decide to move back to Greece or Italy, since there may be increased room for them. By which I refer to employment opportunities & housing, and possibly being welcomed back as returnees.
 
Nature abhors a vacuum. Where deaths outnumber births, migrants from overpopulated areas will fill the slots. It has always been thus. Like most on the planet, ours is a highly migratory species. We started out in Africa and now populate virtually the entire planet.

The world population continues to increase apace - no worries on that score.
 
JBR said:
It's conceivable to me that some of the people of Greek or Italian heritage in the UK could decide to move back to Greece or Italy, since there may be increased room for them. By which I refer to employment opportunities & housing, and possibly being welcomed back as returnees.
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Italy and Greece... well Italy in particular are rich countries.. there's no lack of housing. or well paid jobs... there's no fear of persecution and they have beautiful weather. We all know that because we go searching for their sun for our holidays every year... so there's no obvious reason to an outsider for them to be leaving

I lived in Italy for a while in the late80/early 90's... they are great people...

I grew up in Scotland in the 50's and 60's , and every 5th neighbour was Italian... we didn't know a cafe that wasn't owned by Italians.. they were the 2 biggest Immigrants next to the Irish, great people..

In my small market town here there's a bigger Italian community than any other nation besides English

Don't know so many Greeks here but My private Dentist and his wife are Greek

I know these people... I can't figure out why they would rather be here..Greece and Italy's loss is our gain
 
Brookswood said:
The birth rate in Italy and now Greece has fallen so far below the replacement rate that both these countries be vastly underpopulated later this century, unless they greatly increase immigration.
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That's one of the reasons why Canada accepts so many immigrants. I actually read an article a few years ago that said that as education increases, birth rates drop. The article was saying too that as more and more developing countries were able to educate their populations more completely, their birth rates would begin to drop and it was unlikely that we'd ever see such an overpopulation that the world would run out of room. I guess that was assuming that we didn't wreck our planet via the climate crisis.
 
Brookswood said:
The birth rate in Italy and now Greece has fallen so far below the replacement rate that both these countries be vastly underpopulated later this century, unless they greatly increase immigration.
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It's interesting to note that the countries named are predominantly Christian countries. In Italy it is Roman Catholic and Greece is Greek Orthodox. The official position of the Greek Orthodox Church was set forth in an encyclical written in 1937, which recommended abstinence as the only legal method of avoiding conception. The position of the Christian Orthodox Church on abortion and contraception is fundamentally identical to that of the Roman Catholic Church.
It's unbelievable that the falling population is caused by sexual abstinence.
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The Pope has finally lifted the ban on condoms, but further training is required.
 
I’m Greek. My father was born in Patras. He came to America right after WWII. Once here, he joined the U.S. Army for 4 years. While in the Army, he learned electronics. Later he went back to school to learn computer programming and then went to work for Westinghouse in Pittsburgh, PA.

Don’t send my homeland any illegals to fill the gap. Thank you.
 
Japan is losing population. I has an extremely aging population, and quite frankly, there are not enough young to care for them. Without immigration, most wealthy western nations would be in the same boat.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Japan is losing population. I has an extremely aging population, and quite frankly, there are not enough young to care for them. Without immigration, most wealthy western nations would be in the same boat.
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Many countries have this weird thing about "national purity" as if their indigenous population sprang from the soil like native plants, and human seeds that blow in from far away are weeds.

Japan and countries with far too few replacement babies will have to get over their prejudices by welcoming immigrants with open arms - including granting their offspring full citizenship rights.

Greeks & Italians didn't spring from the soil. They wandered in from elsewhere.
Debrah N. said:
That's one of the reasons why Canada accepts so many immigrants. I actually read an article a few years ago that said that as education increases, birth rates drop. The article was saying too that as more and more developing countries were able to educate their populations more completely, their birth rates would begin to drop and it was unlikely that we'd ever see such an overpopulation that the world would run out of room. I guess that was assuming that we didn't wreck our planet via the climate crisis.
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Educate women and birth rates drop. Present women with options beyond popping out a baby every 2 years throughout their fertile years, and most will happily embrace them. Not being fully dependent - economically, politically and otherwise - on men, empowers women to choose the life they want, not the life that's demanded of them by others.

As the saying goes, "A man is not a plan."
 
StarSong said:
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Japan and countries with far too few replacement babies will have to get over their prejudices by welcoming immigrants with open arms - including granting their offspring full citizenship rights.

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Educate women and birth rates drop. Present women with options beyond popping out a baby every 2 years throughout their fertile years, and most will happily embrace them. Not being fully dependent - economically, politically and otherwise - on men, empowers women to choose the life they want, not the life that's demanded of them by others.
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The countries with the highest birth rates have either very high AIDS rates or have a government backed religious majority that actively oppress women. I can't speak for Japan, but for me it's when immigrants from those areas bring the practices that led to problems in their home countries that cause my prejudice. I don't care what color or features a person has but I do care that people who can't grasp that unprotected sex spreads HIV to a partner and the baby, or that men who believe that women should be kept uneducated and swathed in fabric to breed more religious adherents bring those practices and beliefs in as replacements for low birthrates in developed countries.
 
AnnieA said:
The countries with the highest birth rates have either very high AIDS rates or have a government backed religious majority that actively oppress women. I can't speak for Japan, but for me it's when immigrants from those areas bring the practices that led to problems in their home countries that cause my prejudice. I don't care what color or features a person has but I do care that people who can't grasp that unprotected sex spreads HIV to a partner and the baby, or that men who believe that women should be kept uneducated and swathed in fabric to breed more religious adherents bring those practices and beliefs in as replacements for low birthrates in developed countries.
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Agreed no country wants to bring in immigrants with communicable diseases or unsafe health practices.

As for religions actively oppressing women, the US has plenty of home-grown citizens, judges and elected officials who already think that way.
 
Debrah N. said:
That's one of the reasons why Canada accepts so many immigrants. I actually read an article a few years ago that said that as education increases, birth rates drop. The article was saying too that as more and more developing countries were able to educate their populations more completely, their birth rates would begin to drop and it was unlikely that we'd ever see such an overpopulation that the world would run out of room. I guess that was assuming that we didn't wreck our planet via the climate crisis.
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They have opened up immigration to fill the gap in Canada and we don’t have the infrastructure to fill the needs created. We definitely don’t have the housing and medical ability to serve the growth.

In 2014 the population was approx 35 million, ten years later it is 40+ million. Much of this is in the last few years with non-permanent residents. This may not seem like much since Canada is a huge land mass. Most of our habitable area is in areas along the US northern border.
 
rgp said:
LOL ..... Reminds me of back some time , the enviro fear was a second (ice age) . Now we're all going to melt .
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I wouldn't worry about that. By the time we'd melt, there won't be anyone left because, you know, populations are shrinking. :D
 
Jules said:
They have opened up immigration to fill the gap in Canada and we don’t have the infrastructure to fill the needs created. We definitely don’t have the housing and medical ability to serve the growth.
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I have mentioned this before, but hey ho. I have personally seen and experienced how corporations have been handed immigrant visas to lower wages. So, a large corporation can have someone from India come and live and work in the UK for a year, and pay them next to nothing. It's all above board, and banks, insurance companies, and shipping use it all the time. It's done on the lie of a "skills gap".
 

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