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If you hear strange thunder in the UK it's likely the queen rolling in her grave.
What a Stupid, Stupid Boy (Prince Harry)
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Jamala
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Harry is a hurt man. He lost his mother in tragic circumstances. He never recovered from his loss.
He has good reason to be bitter.
He has good reason to be bitter.
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I do hope he gets the help he needs and moves on.
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I never liked Charles and it would take a miracle to change my opinion. I'm wondering if he really intimated to Harry that he might not be his real father (?).
The tabloids hounded his mother to her grave and tried going down the same path with Meghan and himself.
There are millions of people from very humble backgrounds who have lost mothers, fathers, sisters , brothers and children, without having any support, but they just have to grit their teeth and get on with it. Harry had an extremely comfortable upbringing and support system in comparison, but he is whinging that he is more of a special case because of who he is.
He is doing it all for money, he is reprehensable.
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lots of us can match sob stories with that pampered and weak snowflake.
You get grieve, accept the death (or whatever) go on with life.
Fixating on Diana's death (caused by poor choice of a lover) for the rest of time has ruined him.
life is short. HARRY: STOP WHINING! GET OVER IT! BE A MAN!
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Jamala
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Absolutely Chet and that is the reason the couple left the UK.
All will be revealed one day.
In the meantime, I pray for both Harry and Meghan.
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He's such a snowflake.. and having difficulty coming up with anything to get people to feel sorry for him about, that his latest whine ( want wine with that)?.. is that on the Morning of Williams' wedding to Katherine.. he could still smell rum on Wills' Breath!!
Oh No.. never.. surely that horror didn't happen to you Harry .. How could a brother have the smell of alcohol from the night before on his breath on the day of his wedding. This must have scarred you for life!!
oldaunt
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It was all in the news when Harry was born that he said it. Charles has been a jerk his whole life.
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In the media today there's a Q&A
1 Harry, have you ever done anything wrong in your life, or is everything always someone else’s fault?
2 Which member of the Royal Family expressed concerns about the colour of Archie’s skin and why haven’t you mentioned it again in six hours of Netflix documentary and hundreds of pages of your book? And can you explain the puzzling discrepancies in the accounts of this event you and Meghan have given?
She told Oprah there were ‘several conversations’. You told Oprah ‘that conversation I’m never going to share,’ which implied that there was only one comment. Who, if anyone, is telling the truth?
3 Congratulations on losing your virginity in a field to an ‘older woman’ who treated you ‘like a stallion’. Does this mean she supplied you with quality hay and a salt block? Or is there another connotation to those words? Actually, please don’t tell us. We just can’t take any more.
4 Do you have sympathy for dear Elizabeth Hurley, who has been moved to publicly state that the ‘older woman’ in question is not her? Or do you believe the bikini entrepreneur is still spiffing top totty who maybe protesteth too much but you can’t remember anyway because you had been taking drugs and talking to bins that night?
5 This is important, please concentrate. Meghan told a television audience of millions that your son Archie was denied a royal title against protocol, also referring to ‘concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he’s born’.
It is plausible that she may not have grasped the finer points of complicated royal protocols and hereditary titles. But you understand this world all too well. Why did you never correct her provocative assumption?
6 On this subject, why don’t you and your family do the decent thing and ditch your royal titles? Your Royal Highness, if I may be so bold, you profess to loathe the institution and all it stands for — so why not set yourself free from such a conspicuous connection to it?
7 One thing that puzzles everyone. Right at the beginning, you and Meghan claimed to be committed working members of the Royal Family. Yet now it has become clear that you were negotiating contracts with Netflix and storing up fly-on-wall footage from day one. Was Megxit a financial strategy and a foregone conclusion?
8 Which of the following do you think best describes you?
a) pathetic
b) vengeful
c) a bit dim
d) proud Taliban killer
e) loving brother and son
f) someone who says ‘yes dear’ a lot
9 Was it wise, to reveal you killed 25 members of the Taliban in Afghanistan?
10 Speaking of bad guys, how can you justify your comment that your family ‘want to keep us as the villains’? Particularly when they have maintained a dignified silence over the firestorm of accusations and insults you have hurled at them recently?
11 Can you explain why Meghan told Oprah that when she was pregnant with your son, she had thoughts of suicide, ‘didn’t want to be alive’ and believed she was not allowed to seek professional help for her mental health crisis?
Bearing in mind that you had a personal therapist on speed dial at the time and, indeed, immediately called this person after a physical altercation with your brother.
Is there some arcane royal law that states ye prince shall verily have ye therapiste sessions yet his ladywife musteth not?
12 You and Meghan have talked at length about your ‘basic right to privacy’. Fair enough, but why have you so brutally invaded the privacy of others? Was it fair, for example, to reveal that the King, in the hours after burying his own father, wearily appealed to you and your brother not to spoil his last years by fighting?
13 Do you think the King will ever forgive you for revealing that you and William begged him not to marry Camilla because you believed she would become a ‘wicked stepmother’?
14 Which of the following would you say best describes the Princess of Wales?
a) bit of a baby brain
b) the sister I never had
c) a wife who fits the royal mould
d) Mrs Arch-Nemesis
e) a bit scary
( all of the above at various stages he's described his sister-in-law ..make your mind up Harry)
5 A major flashpoint came when William told you that Meghan was ‘difficult and abrasive’ towards staff. Illogically, you accused your brother of accepting the ‘Press narrative’ on this matter, even though he must have experienced first-hand and second-hand accounts of her behaviour.
Did you at any point stop to ask yourself if there could be any truth in what he was saying? Or do you believe St Meghan of Montecito can do no wrong?
16 You say you were always in competition with your brother, whom you called your ‘arch-nemesis’. Yet, like you, William did not choose his destiny, nor to be heir to the throne.
You understand his position better than most, so why choose betrayal instead of being supportive of him?
17 You claim that because of your privileged upbringing, you had no idea the word ‘P***’ was a racial slur. And also that it was those rotters William and Kate who encouraged you to wear a Nazi uniform to a fancy dress party.
Yet you were 20 years old and an officer cadet at Sandringham when these things happened — when are you going to properly accept responsibility for your flaws as well as your strengths?
18 You have never met your father-in-law Thomas Markle, who has now been ostracised by you and Meghan for talking to the Press. Yet what you have done — Oprah, Netflix, an autobiography, television interviews — is a thousand times more invasive and incendiary.
You say that family is important to you — yet you are kinder to your rescue chickens than you are to Thomas, a lonely old man in poor health. Isn’t it time to finally meet him, forgive him and introduce him to his young grandchildren before it’s too late?
19 Despite your claims to the contrary, you were invited to Sandringham for Christmas and the King has made it known that he wants you and Meghan to be at his Coronation — yet you are refusing to say whether you will attend. How does this square with your stated belief that the Royal Family are ‘showing no willingness to reconcile?’
20 Harry, in Spare you spare no one’s blushes except your own. Is this a one and done? Or should we all prepare ourselves for Spare 2: Now Meghan Has Her Say?
No need to reply. I think we all know the terrible answer to that.
1 Harry, have you ever done anything wrong in your life, or is everything always someone else’s fault?
2 Which member of the Royal Family expressed concerns about the colour of Archie’s skin and why haven’t you mentioned it again in six hours of Netflix documentary and hundreds of pages of your book? And can you explain the puzzling discrepancies in the accounts of this event you and Meghan have given?
She told Oprah there were ‘several conversations’. You told Oprah ‘that conversation I’m never going to share,’ which implied that there was only one comment. Who, if anyone, is telling the truth?
3 Congratulations on losing your virginity in a field to an ‘older woman’ who treated you ‘like a stallion’. Does this mean she supplied you with quality hay and a salt block? Or is there another connotation to those words? Actually, please don’t tell us. We just can’t take any more.
4 Do you have sympathy for dear Elizabeth Hurley, who has been moved to publicly state that the ‘older woman’ in question is not her? Or do you believe the bikini entrepreneur is still spiffing top totty who maybe protesteth too much but you can’t remember anyway because you had been taking drugs and talking to bins that night?
5 This is important, please concentrate. Meghan told a television audience of millions that your son Archie was denied a royal title against protocol, also referring to ‘concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he’s born’.
It is plausible that she may not have grasped the finer points of complicated royal protocols and hereditary titles. But you understand this world all too well. Why did you never correct her provocative assumption?
6 On this subject, why don’t you and your family do the decent thing and ditch your royal titles? Your Royal Highness, if I may be so bold, you profess to loathe the institution and all it stands for — so why not set yourself free from such a conspicuous connection to it?
7 One thing that puzzles everyone. Right at the beginning, you and Meghan claimed to be committed working members of the Royal Family. Yet now it has become clear that you were negotiating contracts with Netflix and storing up fly-on-wall footage from day one. Was Megxit a financial strategy and a foregone conclusion?
8 Which of the following do you think best describes you?
a) pathetic
b) vengeful
c) a bit dim
d) proud Taliban killer
e) loving brother and son
f) someone who says ‘yes dear’ a lot
9 Was it wise, to reveal you killed 25 members of the Taliban in Afghanistan?
10 Speaking of bad guys, how can you justify your comment that your family ‘want to keep us as the villains’? Particularly when they have maintained a dignified silence over the firestorm of accusations and insults you have hurled at them recently?
11 Can you explain why Meghan told Oprah that when she was pregnant with your son, she had thoughts of suicide, ‘didn’t want to be alive’ and believed she was not allowed to seek professional help for her mental health crisis?
Bearing in mind that you had a personal therapist on speed dial at the time and, indeed, immediately called this person after a physical altercation with your brother.
Is there some arcane royal law that states ye prince shall verily have ye therapiste sessions yet his ladywife musteth not?
12 You and Meghan have talked at length about your ‘basic right to privacy’. Fair enough, but why have you so brutally invaded the privacy of others? Was it fair, for example, to reveal that the King, in the hours after burying his own father, wearily appealed to you and your brother not to spoil his last years by fighting?
13 Do you think the King will ever forgive you for revealing that you and William begged him not to marry Camilla because you believed she would become a ‘wicked stepmother’?
14 Which of the following would you say best describes the Princess of Wales?
a) bit of a baby brain
b) the sister I never had
c) a wife who fits the royal mould
d) Mrs Arch-Nemesis
e) a bit scary
( all of the above at various stages he's described his sister-in-law ..make your mind up Harry)
5 A major flashpoint came when William told you that Meghan was ‘difficult and abrasive’ towards staff. Illogically, you accused your brother of accepting the ‘Press narrative’ on this matter, even though he must have experienced first-hand and second-hand accounts of her behaviour.
Did you at any point stop to ask yourself if there could be any truth in what he was saying? Or do you believe St Meghan of Montecito can do no wrong?
16 You say you were always in competition with your brother, whom you called your ‘arch-nemesis’. Yet, like you, William did not choose his destiny, nor to be heir to the throne.
You understand his position better than most, so why choose betrayal instead of being supportive of him?
17 You claim that because of your privileged upbringing, you had no idea the word ‘P***’ was a racial slur. And also that it was those rotters William and Kate who encouraged you to wear a Nazi uniform to a fancy dress party.
Yet you were 20 years old and an officer cadet at Sandringham when these things happened — when are you going to properly accept responsibility for your flaws as well as your strengths?
18 You have never met your father-in-law Thomas Markle, who has now been ostracised by you and Meghan for talking to the Press. Yet what you have done — Oprah, Netflix, an autobiography, television interviews — is a thousand times more invasive and incendiary.
You say that family is important to you — yet you are kinder to your rescue chickens than you are to Thomas, a lonely old man in poor health. Isn’t it time to finally meet him, forgive him and introduce him to his young grandchildren before it’s too late?
19 Despite your claims to the contrary, you were invited to Sandringham for Christmas and the King has made it known that he wants you and Meghan to be at his Coronation — yet you are refusing to say whether you will attend. How does this square with your stated belief that the Royal Family are ‘showing no willingness to reconcile?’
20 Harry, in Spare you spare no one’s blushes except your own. Is this a one and done? Or should we all prepare ourselves for Spare 2: Now Meghan Has Her Say?
No need to reply. I think we all know the terrible answer to that.
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Jamala
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Yes, he is a jerk. The jerk king!
hollydolly
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Simply not true.. Diana didn't meet James Hewitt until 4 years after Harry was born
hollydolly
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From Andrew Neil in the Mail
Among the many incendiary claims in Spare, Prince Harry's upcoming memoir, the boast that he killed 25 Taliban while serving as an Army helicopter pilot in Afghanistan will do him the most long-term damage by far.
I doubt he will recover from it.
Most of the revelations in his book amount to a further public airing of his family's dirty laundry, an endeavour to which he and wife Meghan have devoted their lives since running off in a huff to California. Jaw-dropping as some of them are, their real import serves merely to confirm what most had already concluded about Harry.
Blaming William and Kate for encouraging him to dress up as a Nazi for a fancy-dress party in 2005 illustrates his repeated failure to take responsibility for his own stupid actions and reinforces his default position that, no matter his own culpability, he is always the victim.
In relating an altercation with his brother at his London home in 2019 which resulted in him falling on a dog bowl and breaking his necklace, Harry shows that he has lost all self-awareness and is beyond embarrassment. As a friend said to me last night: 'If that had happened to me, I would have gone to my grave without ever mentioning the necklace.'
The great 19th-century expert on the constitution, Walter Bagehot, famously wrote about the monarchy: 'We must not let in daylight upon magic.' That stricture is now in tatters. Harry is piercing the monarchy with searchlights that reach into every corner, making the Royal Family a laughing stock in the process.
What is left but to laugh at a Prince who boasts of killing the Taliban but gets distraught over a broken necklace?
He doesn't seem to care, as long as he and Meghan get to promulgate their supposed 'truth' and so-called 'lived experience', accumulating great wealth as they do so.
But Harry is not necessarily the most reliable of storytellers. He says the first thing that he, a Taliban killer, did after the unbrotherly confrontation was call his therapist (as I say, he's beyond embarrassment).
Yet, in previous exposés of the evil ways of his family, he claimed that when Meghan was going through some mental anguish of her own, she was left to deal with it alone, unaided. Why that should be so when he had his therapist on speed dial is not clear.
Among the many incendiary claims in Spare, Prince Harry's upcoming memoir, the boast that he killed 25 Taliban while serving as an Army helicopter pilot in Afghanistan will do him the most long-term damage by far.
I doubt he will recover from it.
Most of the revelations in his book amount to a further public airing of his family's dirty laundry, an endeavour to which he and wife Meghan have devoted their lives since running off in a huff to California. Jaw-dropping as some of them are, their real import serves merely to confirm what most had already concluded about Harry.
Blaming William and Kate for encouraging him to dress up as a Nazi for a fancy-dress party in 2005 illustrates his repeated failure to take responsibility for his own stupid actions and reinforces his default position that, no matter his own culpability, he is always the victim.
In relating an altercation with his brother at his London home in 2019 which resulted in him falling on a dog bowl and breaking his necklace, Harry shows that he has lost all self-awareness and is beyond embarrassment. As a friend said to me last night: 'If that had happened to me, I would have gone to my grave without ever mentioning the necklace.'
The great 19th-century expert on the constitution, Walter Bagehot, famously wrote about the monarchy: 'We must not let in daylight upon magic.' That stricture is now in tatters. Harry is piercing the monarchy with searchlights that reach into every corner, making the Royal Family a laughing stock in the process.
What is left but to laugh at a Prince who boasts of killing the Taliban but gets distraught over a broken necklace?
He doesn't seem to care, as long as he and Meghan get to promulgate their supposed 'truth' and so-called 'lived experience', accumulating great wealth as they do so.
But Harry is not necessarily the most reliable of storytellers. He says the first thing that he, a Taliban killer, did after the unbrotherly confrontation was call his therapist (as I say, he's beyond embarrassment).
Yet, in previous exposés of the evil ways of his family, he claimed that when Meghan was going through some mental anguish of her own, she was left to deal with it alone, unaided. Why that should be so when he had his therapist on speed dial is not clear.
There definitely is a very striking resemblance though, Holly, and we only have Diana's and Hewitt's words on that.
hollydolly
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No we don't.. it's obvious that there would have been a DNA sample taken from Harry if Charles had, had any doubts whatsoever.. and he would now have no qualms in disowning Harry right now, if he knew he wasn't his son..
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oldaunt
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The media is too busy getting rich off the stories they make up to sell to the idiots who actually believe all they print to stop now. Anyone who actually believes they really know anything needs a shrink.
oldaunt
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Harry looks like Diana's red headed brother.
hollydolly
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But it is the excruciating stuff about Taliban kills which will haunt him and his family for some time to come.
It is unseemly, unnecessary and, most important of all, un-British. It amounts to a watershed in public perceptions of him, from which there is no turning back. Even the Americans, hitherto far more sympathetic to Harry (and Meghan) than the Brits, are turning on him.
It's not just that there's something unsavoury about being proud of kills made from the world's most advanced and sophisticated attack helicopter against an enemy, however barbaric, armed largely with Soviet-era AK47 rifles. It's the way he compounded this folly, as only Harry could, by saying he regarded the targets as pieces on a chessboard.
All of that would be bad enough. But he's also breached the long-standing convention among British military veterans of all ranks that they don't talk much about the wars they waged, and never about 'kills'.
Just why Harry decided to flout that convention is best known to himself. But folks are furious.
Former Army officers, including those who'd served with him in Afghanistan, are speaking out against what he has said. But I found the testimony of civilians whose fathers and grandfathers had fought in various wars even more telling.
When news broke of Harry's 'kill' claim, I tweeted: 'My father was in uniform against the Nazis for six years. Never once in his long life did he ever talk to me about killing the enemy. Even the concept, much less numbers. And he was at Alamein. On the ground. Not in a helicopter.'
It is unseemly, unnecessary and, most important of all, un-British. It amounts to a watershed in public perceptions of him, from which there is no turning back. Even the Americans, hitherto far more sympathetic to Harry (and Meghan) than the Brits, are turning on him.
It's not just that there's something unsavoury about being proud of kills made from the world's most advanced and sophisticated attack helicopter against an enemy, however barbaric, armed largely with Soviet-era AK47 rifles. It's the way he compounded this folly, as only Harry could, by saying he regarded the targets as pieces on a chessboard.
All of that would be bad enough. But he's also breached the long-standing convention among British military veterans of all ranks that they don't talk much about the wars they waged, and never about 'kills'.
Just why Harry decided to flout that convention is best known to himself. But folks are furious.
Former Army officers, including those who'd served with him in Afghanistan, are speaking out against what he has said. But I found the testimony of civilians whose fathers and grandfathers had fought in various wars even more telling.
When news broke of Harry's 'kill' claim, I tweeted: 'My father was in uniform against the Nazis for six years. Never once in his long life did he ever talk to me about killing the enemy. Even the concept, much less numbers. And he was at Alamein. On the ground. Not in a helicopter.'
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From Andrew Neil .. for the Mail..
I cannot understand what possessed him to say this, or why he was allowed to by those around him. A responsible publisher would have urged — even insisted — he blue-pencil the remarks.
But his publishers are more interested in putting out content that will generate headlines and sell books regardless of the fallout, to justify the massive advance they shelled out for Spare.
Meghan, of course, is the one person Harry does listen to. I doubt he does or says anything without her approval. But in this matter she would have been wholly useless, ignorant of British military tradition, or of the consequences that could follow from flouting it.
Maybe she was happy to have him talk of killing people on the grounds that it would counter the widespread impression that he's under her thumb by reminding people that he was once quite the macho man.
If so, it was a massive miscalculation. Harry has placed a large target not just on his own back but on his family's and even his neighbours' backs. As this paper reports on the front page, the whole Royal Family is now in greater jeopardy.
So is anybody physically close to him. I wouldn't be surprised if those who live next to the couple in the wealthy Californian enclave of Montecito — where I've seen reports that people are already tired of their presence — are thinking of launching a petition demanding that they get out of town.
Social media in the Islamic world is awash with posts depicting him as a 'crusader, terrorist, murderer' and spreading the word that he 'enjoys killing Muslims'. Who knows where this will end? It is actually rather scary.
The Taliban are condemning him as 'cruel' and 'barbaric' (I guess they know about things like that) and demanding he be brought before an international court for 'proudly confessing [his] crime'. Some in the Taliban, and its allies, will already be mulling over a rather more violent response.
I cannot understand what possessed him to say this, or why he was allowed to by those around him. A responsible publisher would have urged — even insisted — he blue-pencil the remarks.
But his publishers are more interested in putting out content that will generate headlines and sell books regardless of the fallout, to justify the massive advance they shelled out for Spare.
Meghan, of course, is the one person Harry does listen to. I doubt he does or says anything without her approval. But in this matter she would have been wholly useless, ignorant of British military tradition, or of the consequences that could follow from flouting it.
Maybe she was happy to have him talk of killing people on the grounds that it would counter the widespread impression that he's under her thumb by reminding people that he was once quite the macho man.
If so, it was a massive miscalculation. Harry has placed a large target not just on his own back but on his family's and even his neighbours' backs. As this paper reports on the front page, the whole Royal Family is now in greater jeopardy.
So is anybody physically close to him. I wouldn't be surprised if those who live next to the couple in the wealthy Californian enclave of Montecito — where I've seen reports that people are already tired of their presence — are thinking of launching a petition demanding that they get out of town.
Social media in the Islamic world is awash with posts depicting him as a 'crusader, terrorist, murderer' and spreading the word that he 'enjoys killing Muslims'. Who knows where this will end? It is actually rather scary.
The Taliban are condemning him as 'cruel' and 'barbaric' (I guess they know about things like that) and demanding he be brought before an international court for 'proudly confessing [his] crime'. Some in the Taliban, and its allies, will already be mulling over a rather more violent response.
horseless carriage
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Ignore him, I can hear the press say. "Are you serious?" As Jamala points out, the misinformation put out by the press, sells newspapers and some. The bottom line as always is how much cash can be squeezed out of the story? So it's squeezed and squeezed and as any journalist will tell you. "Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story." Define good as a money maker.
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When you consider what is now considered 'normal/acceptable' by so many people in so many facets of our existence, social/economic/corporeal, etc, etc, ad infinitum, this whole situation is really unsurprising - we have entered an era of mass hysteria, and the flagellants are in the streets, the media, politics.....ad nauseum.
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It's not misniformation HC..it's there for all to hear from his own mouth in interviews, and read from his own words in his newly released Book...
oldaunt
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Yep, through the media filter that loves to twist, unless you actually paid attention to the interview and read the book yourself. Common sense is always a better look on anyone.