What applications do you see for robotics?

[Murrmurr]

...wouldn't this open all possibilities for humans to expand their creative intelligence and full potentiality?

In a full-blown robotic age we can assume just about everyone would have the time for it. I know maybe 3 people today who would be interested and maybe two others who could be encouraged. I'm going to assume that getting people to expand their creative intelligence and full potentiality would require some promoting for some time but after a generation or two it could be trending hard.

What do you think the average person's full potentiality would look like, Gaer? (in a robotic/high-tech world)

 

[Gaer]

In a full-blown robotic age we can assume just about everyone would have the time for it. I know maybe 3 people today who would be interested and maybe two others who could be encouraged. I'm going to assume that getting people to expand their creative intelligence and full potentiality would require some promoting for some time but after a generation or two it could be trending hard.

What do you think the average person's full potentiality would look like, Gaer? (in a robotic/high-tech world)

hahaha! Oh jeez, I don't know. I think normal human potential would be to experience 100% outer value and 100% inner value. We surely will have a way in the future to expand the conscious capacity of the human mind to infinite values and function in a great expansion of knowledge in the sciences, (physics?) so each individual will live every day in complete fulfillment.
I won't be here then but can visualize a world where this might be possible.
Yes, Technology is surpassing the spiritual development here on Earth, which isn't good, but predictable. If and when this reverses, A higher spirituality will give the new generations new aspirations, and hopefully, a new freedom in God consciousness.

I think an average person's potentiality would be rewarding and loving relationships, vitality and intelligence, physical and mental health, great efficiency, accomplishments on any desired level, clear thinking, natural spontanious behavior, no suffering. freedom of thought and a higher quality of action. I think someday everyone will have as a natural part of themselves, what we now consider as "supernatural" perceptions. There will be no "paranormal" because it will all be normal. People will function from a higher level, a higher quality of the mind and heart. CREATIVE INTELLIGENCE!
As far as robotics, we don't AS YET, have a way, I understand to give them a higher I.Q. or program "common sense". I don't know much about them, but I think they are now programable only for repetitive tasks. I could be wrong in this and anything is possible.
I should add, IMO!

 

[asp3]

Maybe instead of asking what robots can do the question could be what can we have people do when their jobs have been eliminated due to the use of robots?

Although this wouldn't work for everyone my hope is that people would have more time for each other. Removing at least some of the competition for wages assuming we have some sort of way for people have enough to live might remove at least some of the barriers for people to connect with each other.

Another interesting thing would be having people pursue their hobbies in order to "earn their living." Imagine what it would be like if we had the people restoring cars, trucks, airplanes, trains, appliances, etc... for the rest of us to enjoy.

 

[fuzzybuddy]

There's a misconception that manufacturing jobs have gone "overseas"; they've gone because of robotics. A robot can make a product cheaper, better, and faster than any human. Right now. most robots are used in repetitive high speed applications., or in places humans can't tolerate. Right now, robots can only do what is programmed into them. They are great at manufacturing products. But Manufacturing won't be employing the number of humans it now does. That is going to mean a huge shift in how most make a living. One thing robots now have is they can't "think'. Robots work on a "yes", or "no" principle., Humans have an extra "maybe' button, which robots don't now have. It's not if, but when robots acquire the ability to think, I don't really know what will happen. It's going to be a huge event.

 

[Gaer]

Exactly Asp, What if you had time to be brilliantly accomplished in your passion or vocation, develop your thought into strong,powerful thought to help mankind? What if you had time to adventure, write ,compose, create, design, explore, invent, inspire, delight, wonder, enhance because what you do now could be accomplished by a monkey?
I should add: IMO!

 

[Aunt Bea]

The use of robotic trucks for long-haul driving fascinates and quite frankly scares me a little.

Starsky Robotics has closed but others are still working on this concept.

 

[Liberty]

Exactly Asp, What if you had time to be brilliantly accomplished in your passion or vocation, develop your thought into strong,powerful thought to help mankind? What if you had time to adventure, write ,compose, create, design, explore, invent, inspire, delight, wonder, enhance because what you do now could be accomplished by a monkey?
I should add: IMO!

Think there would be at least 2 or 3 stages to the streamlining of repetitive jobs. Once the jobless issues are dealt with ...hey, lets face it, this isn't anything new. We have had several "jobless revolutions" in the world, like when the farmers marched off to the factories, when the steel industry crashed, and the dawning of the informational (high tech) age that is now upon us.

The ideal result would be kind of similar to a good "hippie commune"...lol. We all work together for the good of all - not socialism, but a higher consciousness awareness that would actually result in the finate development of a physical world without the hardships of 24/7 working in order to scratch out a living and put bread on the table for the for the lower earners. Bringing out the best in humanity. A tall order, no doubt...lol. But as the famous chief said "the people perish without a dream".

 

[Irwin]

Exactly Asp, What if you had time to be brilliantly accomplished in your passion or vocation, develop your thought into strong,powerful thought to help mankind? What if you had time to adventure, write ,compose, create, design, explore, invent, inspire, delight, wonder, enhance because what you do now could be accomplished by a monkey?
I should add: IMO!

But we'll have robots to do all that creative stuff. The only thing we'll need to do is create better and better robots.

Some day, everything will be done for us and all we'll need to do is experience pleasure, which will be medically induced, perhaps by triggering certain parts of the brain.

 

[gennie]

Applications for robotics? Simple, mindless, repetitive chores.

Effect on mankind? Redundancy.

For example, early census records (1920, I think) for Detroit MI show thousands of auto workers from all over this country and Europe.

They were young, single men housed in dormitories. I found a cousin housed in Dodge House who was from KY.

Vehicles now are mostly assembled by robots.

Will displaced workers use their time for lofty endeavors? There will be a few Michelangelos, Curies, Edisons but the masses will be unemployed.

Big question - source of income? Even the gifted need it.

 

[asp3]

But we'll have robots to do all that creative stuff. The only thing we'll need to do is create better and better robots.

Some day, everything will be done for us and all we'll need to do is experience pleasure, which will be medically induced, perhaps by triggering certain parts of the brain.

I'm not so sure we'll be able to develop AI with the creative abilities of humans. We don't really understand how our creativity works. We're good at making machines that do things that we understand but I haven't heard of anyone making a robot do something we don't understand.

That isn't to say that building machines to try to do something doesn't give us more insight into something we don't understand but I don't think it's ever helped us get an overall understanding of something we don't understand.

Even if we do create AI's that are creative, which style will they create? Take music for example people generally have different musical tastes. Will we have enough AI's to cover all of the different musical tastes?

 

[tbeltrans]

Maybe instead of asking what robots can do the question could be what can we have people do when their jobs have been eliminated due to the use of robots?

Although this wouldn't work for everyone my hope is that people would have more time for each other. Removing at least some of the competition for wages assuming we have some sort of way for people have enough to live might remove at least some of the barriers for people to connect with each other.

Another interesting thing would be having people pursue their hobbies in order to "earn their living." Imagine what it would be like if we had the people restoring cars, trucks, airplanes, trains, appliances, etc... for the rest of us to enjoy.

This is an interesting point. How many of us have wished that we could earn a living from our hobbies? True, there are some who do so successfully. However, in general (and I have done this as an experiment over the years and across work environments) if you ask the people you work with, what they would prefer to be doing right now, very few would answer that they are doing exactly what they wish to be doing. Most have some other hobby interest that they would much prefer doing (I'd rather be fishing, flying, reading, ...). In engineering, I do find more people who enjoy what they do than I did in other types of work that I was involved in, however, my observations still hold, though to a lesser degree, in that environment.

Many of us have currently more time on our hands due to staying home with this COVID-19 situation. I seem to hear/read more complaints of boredom than of people productively involved in something they like to spend time on and are glad to now have that time. So I am not so sure that having robots take up much of the work people do, thereby providing people with more free time, will necessarily make the majority happier with that extra time.

Tony

 

[asp3]

This is an interesting point. How many of us have wished that we could earn a living from our hobbies? True, there are some who do so successfully. However, in general (and I have done this as an experiment over the years and across work environments) if you ask the people you work with, what they would prefer to be doing right now, very few would answer that they are doing exactly what they wish to be doing. Most have some other hobby interest that they would much prefer doing (I'd rather be fishing, flying, reading, ...). In engineering, I do find more people who enjoy what they do than I did in other types of work that I was involved in, however, my observations still hold, though to a lesser degree, in that environment.

Many of us have currently more time on our hands due to staying home with this COVID-19 situation. I seem to hear/read more complaints of boredom than of people productively involved in something they like to spend time on and are glad to now have that time. So I am not so sure that having robots take up much of the work people do, thereby providing people with more free time, will necessarily make the majority happier with that extra time.

Tony

You've brought up another paradigm shift people will have to make. I think many people associate their value with the work they do to earn money. I think that when doing the things they love to do starts providing them with some sort of compensation they might be able to make the shift. They also might start to see more value in themselves when doing what they love starts being appreciated by those outside of their immediate family and peer groups.

Another thing that might happen is that artisans will be able to start improving their skills and their "products" because what they are doing doesn't have to fit into their "free time" along with all of the other things that need to be done in order to live in this world. They can invest the time they need to improve their skills or refine their output with the additional time they have from not having to do something else to earn enough money to love.

Then again there are people who love doing laundry, those who love to cook and those who love to clean. If those people say for instance love artwork, say paintings, they might be able to seek out painters who's work they like and provide them with the life maintenance services they love doing in exchange for a piece of the artist's work.

 

[Murrmurr]

hahaha! Oh jeez, I don't know. I think normal human potential would be to experience 100% outer value and 100% inner value. We surely will have a way in the future to expand the conscious capacity of the human mind to infinite values and function in a great expansion of knowledge in the sciences, (physics?) so each individual will live every day in complete fulfillment.
I won't be here then but can visualize a world where this might be possible.
Yes, Technology is surpassing the spiritual development here on Earth, which isn't good, but predictable. If and when this reverses, A higher spirituality will give the new generations new aspirations, and hopefully, a new freedom in God consciousness.

I think an average person's potentiality would be rewarding and loving relationships, vitality and intelligence, physical and mental health, great efficiency, accomplishments on any desired level, clear thinking, natural spontanious behavior, no suffering. freedom of thought and a higher quality of action. I think someday everyone will have as a natural part of themselves, what we now consider as "supernatural" perceptions. There will be no "paranormal" because it will all be normal. People will function from a higher level, a higher quality of the mind and heart. CREATIVE INTELLIGENCE!
As far as robotics, we don't AS YET, have a way, I understand to give them a higher I.Q. or program "common sense". I don't know much about them, but I think they are now programable only for repetitive tasks. I could be wrong in this and anything is possible.
I should add, IMO!

Ah. I get where you're going with this. Sounds like an acid trip. And seriously, that's kind of how the military (for one) wanted to use LSD.

Some scientists in the field of AI robotics are talking about what "intelligent robots" can teach/show us if we manage to one day sync with them via connections to our brain neurons. Some scientists have shown that an AI can modify its own intelligence; it's programmed by humans but it learns things - builds on the intelligence its been given - through its own "experiences" ...but not by leaps and bounds, according to some, while others argue any leap by AI is a significant one.

 

[Gaer]

This is an interesting point. How many of us have wished that we could earn a living from our hobbies? True, there are some who do so successfully. However, in general (and I have done this as an experiment over the years and across work environments) if you ask the people you work with, what they would prefer to be doing right now, very few would answer that they are doing exactly what they wish to be doing. Most have some other hobby interest that they would much prefer doing (I'd rather be fishing, flying, reading, ...). In engineering, I do find more people who enjoy what they do than I did in other types of work that I was involved in, however, my observations still hold, though to a lesser degree, in that environment.

Many of us have currently more time on our hands due to staying home with this COVID-19 situation. I seem to hear/read more complaints of boredom than of people productively involved in something they like to spend time on and are glad to now have that time. So I am not so sure that having robots take up much of the work people do, thereby providing people with more free time, will necessarily make the majority happier with that extra time.

Tony

Yes, That's the way it is NOW. And robotics are NOW. Spirituality and technology move at different rates. What if the sciences found a natural way for INDIVIDUALS to expand their creative capacity and intellect IN THE FUTURE?
What if there were a spiritual (not religious) SPIRITUAL awakening to expand this soul awareness IN THE FUTURE?
Imagine, NOT SOCIALISM, but complete freedom of thought and action, CREATION grounded in God consciousness?
It could happen!

On the opposite viewpoint, HISTORY, no matter which era we point at, will tell us, mankind will keep the same ignorances. Will humanity ever change?
I should add: IMO.

 

[Gaer]

Ah. I get where you're going with this. Sounds like an acid trip. And seriously, that's kind of how the military (for one) wanted to use LSD.

Some scientists in the field of AI robotics are talking about what "intelligent robots" can teach/show us if we manage to one day sync with them via connections to our brain neurons. Some scientists have shown that an AI can modify its own intelligence; it's programmed by humans but it learns things - builds on the intelligence its been given - through its own "experiences" ...but not by leaps and bounds, according to some, while others argue any leap by AI is a significant one.

First, I never experimented with any type of drugs so I can't relate or comment on that.
I wasn't thinking of expanding consciousness through drugs. SPIRITUALLY!

Secondly, Wow! I didn't know they could GROW in intelligence. This is a bit disconcerting! "2001" comes to mind. hahaha!

 

[tbeltrans]

You've brought up another paradigm shift people will have to make. I think many people associate their value with the work they do to earn money. I think that when doing the things they love to do starts providing them with some sort of compensation they might be able to make the shift. They also might start to see more value in themselves when doing what they love starts being appreciated by those outside of their immediate family and peer groups.

Another thing that might happen is that artisans will be able to start improving their skills and their "products" because what they are doing doesn't have to fit into their "free time" along with all of the other things that need to be done in order to live in this world. They can invest the time they need to improve their skills or refine their output with the additional time they have from not having to do something else to earn enough money to love.

Then again there are people who love doing laundry, those who love to cook and those who love to clean. If those people say for instance love artwork, say paintings, they might be able to seek out painters who's work they like and provide them with the life maintenance services they love doing in exchange for a piece of the artist's work.

Agreed. If people are willing to make such shifts, the world could become a much more interesting place for the average individual.

Tony

 

[Murrmurr]

First, I never experimented with any type of drugs so I can't relate or comment on that.
Secondly, Wow! I didn't know they could GROW in intelligence. This is a bit disconcerting! "2001" comes to mind. hahaha!

There's a fairly recent movie starring Scarlett Johansson that touches on the idea and possibility of a fully realized humanoid AI sharing its knowledge with a bunch of scientists from various fields of study. It's called Lucy, I'm pretty sure.

 

[tbeltrans]

Yes, That's the way it is NOW. And robotics are NOW. Spirituality and technology move at different rates. What if the sciences found a natural way for INDIVIDUALS to expand their creative capacity and intellect IN THE FUTURE?
What if there were a spiritual (not religious) SPIRITUAL awakening to expand this soul awareness IN THE FUTURE?
Imagine, NOT SOCIALISM, but complete freedom of thought and action, CREATION grounded in God consciousness?
It could happen!

On the opposite viewpoint, HISTORY, no matter which era we point at, will tell us, mankind will keep the same ignorances. Will humanity ever change?
I should add: IMO.

Those who are interested in spiritual growth are already doing so and I don't think that having more free time will necessarily create that desire in those who don't have that desire. I don't think that will change.

Tony

 

[tbeltrans]

Those who are interested in spiritual growth are already doing so and I don't think that having more free time will necessarily create that desire in those who don't have that desire. I don't think that will change.

Tony

To follow on with what I said here...

There are people, regardless of how much time they have on their hands, who are quite productive and interested in expanding their horizons by taking classes, studying subjects that interest them, learning to do new things, etc. Others, under the same conditions will spend the time sitting in front of the TV, surfing the net, or complaining that they are bored. We see this here in this forum, watching as different people post of their experiences during COVID-19 lockdown. For some, it is a great opportunity to spend time doing things they enjoy, while for others, it is a lonely and/or boring time.

My point is that this is human nature and I don't think that will change if everybody is provided with far more free time than they have now.

Tony

 

[Irwin]

You've brought up another paradigm shift people will have to make. I think many people associate their value with the work they do to earn money. I think that when doing the things they love to do starts providing them with some sort of compensation they might be able to make the shift. They also might start to see more value in themselves when doing what they love starts being appreciated by those outside of their immediate family and peer groups.

Another thing that might happen is that artisans will be able to start improving their skills and their "products" because what they are doing doesn't have to fit into their "free time" along with all of the other things that need to be done in order to live in this world. They can invest the time they need to improve their skills or refine their output with the additional time they have from not having to do something else to earn enough money to love.

Then again there are people who love doing laundry, those who love to cook and those who love to clean. If those people say for instance love artwork, say paintings, they might be able to seek out painters who's work they like and provide them with the life maintenance services they love doing in exchange for a piece of the artist's work.

Computers can already produce paintings in almost any style. Granted, they're not oil paintings... I think they're actually just printed on canvas, but who has original oil paintings in their homes, other than wealthy people? We can get an original computer generated painting for less than $50!

Sculptors can just design their works on a CAD system and have a robot or CNC machine carve it out of clay or plaster and voila! A new work of art!

And music... it can all be composed on a computer and played by robots on real instruments, which will be an improvement over most of the pop music out these days -- most of which sound like the melodies were composed by robots, anyway.

Artists can just use computers to generate whatever emotion they wish to convey. Add a bit of sadness? Just click the 'add sadness' button! There's no need for them to actually suffer when emotions can just be simulated.

Bleh. I'm glad I was young during the creative '60s and '70s. It would suck to grow up in this digital, sterile age. Computers killed creativity.

 

[Irwin]

The use of robotic trucks for long-haul driving fascinates and quite frankly scares me a little.

Starsky Robotics has closed but others are still working on this concept.

Somebody with too much time on their hands and a bone to pick with society will hack into the truck's navigation system and cause it to careen into other cars or go over a cliff.

 

[tbeltrans]

Computers can already produce paintings in almost any style. Granted, they're not oil paintings... I think they're actually just printed on canvas, but who has original oil paintings in their homes, other than wealthy people? We can get an original computer generated painting for less than $50!

Sculptors can just design their works on a CAD system and have a robot or CNC machine carve it out of clay or plaster and voila! A new work of art!

And music... it can all be composed on a computer and played by robots on real instruments, which will be an improvement over most of the pop music out these days -- most of which sound like the melodies were composed by robots, anyway.

Artists can just use computers to generate whatever emotion they wish to convey. Add a bit of sadness? Just click the 'add sadness' button! There's no need for them to actually suffer when emotions can just be simulated.

Bleh. I'm glad I was young during the creative '60s and '70s. It would suck to grow up in this digital, sterile age. Computers killed creativity.

Not necessarily. Computers have long been able to beat most, if not all humans at chess. Yet, humans still continue to play and enjoy chess. I see no reason the same couldn't be true for music and other arts.

Tony

 

[Knight]

This & so much more in the reference.

Scientists at the University of Vermont and Tufts University have created what they claim is the world's first living robot. ... The new creatures were designed on a supercomputer at UVM – and then assembled and tested by biologists at Tufts University.Jan 15, 2020

Scientists use supercomputer to create 'first living robot'

roboticsandautomationnews.com

Wonder how long it will take until computers & robotics align to eliminate mankind?

 

[tbeltrans]

This & so much more in the reference.

Scientists at the University of Vermont and Tufts University have created what they claim is the world's first living robot. ... The new creatures were designed on a supercomputer at UVM – and then assembled and tested by biologists at Tufts University.Jan 15, 2020

Scientists use supercomputer to create 'first living robot'

roboticsandautomationnews.com

Wonder how long it will take until computers & robotics align to eliminate mankind?

Interesting philosophical question. I suppose that since robots would be created by humans, maybe humans would, whether on purpose or unknowingly, pass on to them that rather unfortunate trait that we humans have of the need to destroy each other. But, then, we could hope that we don't pass that on. I have my doubts on being that optimistic, since there will always be the military applications for the same technology that would be used in commercial and consumer markets.

Tony

 

[asp3]

Computers can already produce paintings in almost any style. Granted, they're not oil paintings... I think they're actually just printed on canvas, but who has original oil paintings in their homes, other than wealthy people? We can get an original computer generated painting for less than $50!

Sculptors can just design their works on a CAD system and have a robot or CNC machine carve it out of clay or plaster and voila! A new work of art!

And music... it can all be composed on a computer and played by robots on real instruments, which will be an improvement over most of the pop music out these days -- most of which sound like the melodies were composed by robots, anyway.

Artists can just use computers to generate whatever emotion they wish to convey. Add a bit of sadness? Just click the 'add sadness' button! There's no need for them to actually suffer when emotions can just be simulated.

Bleh. I'm glad I was young during the creative '60s and '70s. It would suck to grow up in this digital, sterile age. Computers killed creativity.

The styles of paintings were created by humans not the computers. I consider what they're doing as rendering not creating. I don't know enough about the music being composed by computers to know if they essentially do the same thing, render music in a particular style or similar to a human musician.

With the CAD system the artist is still doing the creating they're just using computers to render their vision.

You and I must listen to different types of pop music, I doubt that a computer could write, compose and perform the music I enjoy without first using human created existing music to base it on. One could argue that today's musicians base their music on existing music, but they expand on it, personalize it and change the way it's made or sounds.

I'm not sure that AI's have the ability to do such changes. Even if they do are they able to validate what they've created sounds good? When a musician creates new music they are trying to make something that pleases them in some way. That is the filter that the music goes through before it's released to others. Some people might not like what the musician has created but they often find someone that enjoys it. I'm wondering if a computer is able to do that and how often their music is enjoyed as opposed to that of a human.

I don't think computers kill creativity they are yet another tool that can be used to express one's creativity.

There are also some mediums that I'm not sure AI's can work in. I doubt that computers would be able to do glass blowing beyond some standard forms. I also wonder how they would do with watercolors. I'm pretty sure they would not be able to come up with concepts for an installation.