What Are The Average Retirement Costs?

Colleen said:
I think the snobs of this world like this kind of stuff. Makes 'em feel more superior. To my way of thinking...what a waste of money and I don't care if the guy is a "Master Chef"....he's still just placing bits of overpriced food on a plate.....and do you know if he actually washed his hands before he did so?? No thanks...even if I could afford it.

We don't eat out much any more. I've gotten to the point I think it's ridiculous what a basic dinner costs nowadays...and besides...I don't know what's happening behind closed doors before I get that dinner!! I'd rather cook at home. Sometimes when we've gone in to town for groceries and we've been running around doing this and that, my hubby will ask if I want to stop and get lunch. I used to say yes more often than not, but not now. Not only do I not want to spend $20-$30 for lunch...I don't know how clean a place is when I get food. It really bugs me. I think every state should have to display a rating, like CA, how that particular restaurant is rated on cleanliness, etc.
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StarSong said:
I'm surprised that so many consider artful plating by highly trained (plastic-gloved) master chefs to be "manhandling" the food. Expensive restaurant dining is intended to be a treat for all the senses. Upscale restaurants strive to provide a delightful ambiance, excellent service, elegant apparel of the waitstaff as well as the diners, and food that's beautifully presented as well as delicious. All these contribute to a memorable experience that many find worth the price. Dining out isn't always about satisfying hunger.

If you think peering into a commercial or restaurant kitchen would be off-putting, try visiting a factory farm or slaughterhouse. Talk about filthy and disgusting.
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My sister and I were in Atlantic City at the Hard Rock Cafe (formerly located in the now defunct Showboat, not the new Hard Rock Casino). Anyway, they boasted a "master chef"...forgot his name. My sister ordered a Caesar salad. When it finally came out, it literally looked like someone had gone and pulled some leaves off a tree...not washed or cut them up. She was disgusted, especially since we had waited so long for the food to finally come out. My sister is very finicky about her food but even if she wasn't, I couldn't blame her this time. It was disgraceful. She couldn't eat it and had to order something else.
StarSong want to see something really disgusting...watch the doc What The Health (Netflix). What they reveal about pork farming is truly sickening. There's a lot of things we eat that If we only knew.....!
 

OneEyedDiva said:

StarSong want to see something really disgusting...watch the doc What The Health (Netflix). What they reveal about pork farming is truly sickening. There's a lot of things we eat that If we only knew.....!
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I eat a WFPB (whole food plant based) diet, meaning I'm pretty much a vegan who avoids sugars, added oils, junk and processed foods. The meat "industry" and factory "farming" are sickening indeed. (I use quotes because the words industry and farming are nothing more than euphemisms.)
 
OneEyedDiva said:
My sister and I were in Atlantic City at the Hard Rock Cafe (formerly located in the now defunct Showboat, not the new Hard Rock Casino). Anyway, they boasted a "master chef"...forgot his name. My sister ordered a Caesar salad. When it finally came out, it literally looked like someone had gone and pulled some leaves off a tree...not washed or cut them up. She was disgusted, especially since we had waited so long for the food to finally come out. My sister is very finicky about her food but even if she wasn't, I couldn't blame her this time. It was disgraceful. She couldn't eat it and had to order something else.

StarSong want to see something really disgusting...watch the doc What The Health (Netflix). What they reveal about pork farming is truly sickening. There's a lot of things we eat that If we only knew.....!
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God told us not to eat pork, so I don't.
 

KingsX said:
God told us not to eat pork, so I don't.
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Well I'm Muslim Kings so I definitely don't. But I'd stopped eating it before I accepted Islam. God told all of his people Christians, Jews and Muslims not to eat pork. For people who claim to have faith...don't they think God knows what He's talking about?!
 
i love good ribs too. my wife won't let me eat them unless they used lipitor as a dry rub . but when she is away baby sitting every so often i will get the traditional wife's away 1/2 rack of ribs .
 
mathjak107 said:
it generally seems that all these people that live very very long to be some of the oldest living people , live on these high fat saturated diets and alcohol .
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Anecdotally, of course you will stumble over a few who remain healthy into their 90s & 100s despite diets that include large amounts of saturated fat & heavy alcohol consumption.

Statistically, they are rarities.
 
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i have a genetic disorder where i was running very high cholesterol and tri's in the 1,000 range for likely decades .

while i am on lipitor the last few years , tests show no problems so far at all from decades of really poor numbers . in fact i run 4 miles every other day
 
mathjak107 said:
i have a genetic disorder where i was running very high cholesterol and tri's in the 1,000 range for likely decades .

while i am on lipitor the last few years , tests show no problems so far at all from decades of really poor numbers . in fact i run 4 miles every other day
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Where are you going with this? Are you attributing your apparent lack of CV issues (despite this genetic disorder) to high fat saturated diets and alcohol?
 
personally i think they are going to find they are measuring and concentrating on the wrong things . science does this though out history . eventually mark my words . watching cholesterol is going to be found not to be an answer .
 
mathjak107 said:
personally i think they are going to find they are measuring and concentrating on the wrong things . science does this though out history . eventually mark my words . watching cholesterol is going to be found not to be an answer .
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Perhaps not, but I don't see science coming to the conclusion that heavy ingestion of saturated fats and plenty of alcohol will improve - or not have a negative impact - on human health.
 
not what i said . when it comes to this big to do about pumping most of us full of drugs to reduce cholesterol and triglycerides i would bet they are going to learn they are measuring the wrong things that lead to these clogged arteries . they just don't know what to measure yet but it likely will turn out it is not what they thought
 
Ok, I get what you're saying and agree. Furthermore, there is plenty of evidence showing statins and the like are not nearly as effective at reducing CV events and deaths as big pharma suggests. Simply lowering cholesterol and triglycerides numbers isn't a magic answer.

These bodies we inhabit are far more complex than much of modern science's reductionist thinking wants to hope.
 
mathjak107 said:
it generally seems that all these people that live very very long to be some of the oldest living people , live on these high fat saturated diets and alcohol .
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When you think about it a diet like that as opposed to as healthy as you can possibly get. It could be embarrassing to be in a hospital dying of nothing.
 
StarSong said:
Perhaps not, but I don't see science coming to the conclusion that heavy ingestion of saturated fats and plenty of alcohol will improve - or not have a negative impact - on human health.
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Don't be such a negative Nelly. :laugh:

mathjak107 said:
not what i said . when it comes to this big to do about pumping most of us full of drugs to reduce cholesterol and triglycerides i would bet they are going to learn they are measuring the wrong things that lead to these clogged arteries . they just don't know what to measure yet but it likely will turn out it is not what they thought
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This week eggs are good for you, next week not so much.
 
JimW said:
This week eggs are good for you, next week not so much.
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I hope our One Eyed Diva doesn't mind that we have wandered so far off topic.

As for whether eggs, milk, cheese, beef, pork, chicken, etc., are healthy foods for humans, you can see a lot by following the money. Who's paying for these studies and how much do they stand to gain (or lose) by carefully orchestrating the studies and shading the results?

It's almost always all about the money.
 
StarSong said:
I hope our One Eyed Diva doesn't mind that we have wandered so far off topic.

As for whether eggs, milk, cheese, beef, pork, chicken, etc., are healthy foods for humans, you can see a lot by following the money. Who's paying for these studies and how much do they stand to gain (or lose) by carefully orchestrating the studies and shading the results?

It's almost always all about the money.
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Don't mind at all StarSong. This means we are having a conversation. An interesting one at that. And it reminds me of the conversations I have with family and friends.
mathjak107 said:
i always say if those who have not tried bacon tried it they would likely switch religions in a heartbeat.
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Most of the Muslims I know happen to be African American. We grew up on pork baby. Pigs feet, bacon, ham hocks. Need I say more? :D One thing I would never eat...chitterlings. Ugh!
 
Colleen said:
That article, in my opinion, is WAY off the mark! Who writes these "retirement" articles, anyway?? The best retirement cities to live in, the best no-tax states, etc......none of these articles are even close to what the reality of retirement is and what we spend.
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I agree that most of these articles are Colleen but they elicit opinions and start the conversation. I find that when they post The Best Places To Live articles, I very rarely see a place I'd want to move to. And they seem to forget important details about consequences of making those moves. I feel there are a lot of people in the financial world who don't base their opinions and advice on the average person.
 
StarSong said:
I hope our One Eyed Diva doesn't mind that we have wandered so far off topic.

As for whether eggs, milk, cheese, beef, pork, chicken, etc., are healthy foods for humans, you can see a lot by following the money. Who's paying for these studies and how much do they stand to gain (or lose) by carefully orchestrating the studies and shading the results?

It's almost always all about the money.
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more recent studies are leading towards plant food being worse than eating animal .lecitin's which are in most plant foods are being shown to do reat bad things to us humans . as researcher dr gundry found " Plants don't like us. They were here first. They had it great before animals arrived because nobody wanted to eat them or their babies: their seeds. When animals arrived, plants had a problem: They couldn't run, they couldn't hide, and they couldn't fight. But they were chemists of incredible ability. So they turned to chemical warfare to convince their new predators, animals, not to eat them."They do this by using, among other things, proteins called lectins that literally act like guided missile attacks on the gut lining of animals, the nerves, and the joints by binding to sugar molecules. Essentially they hack their predators to make them feel ill, or not thrive, or hurt. The smart animals get the message and move on. Then humans arrived. We're pretty stupid. "
 

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