What Do Real Muslims Believe?

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Lara said:
You misquoted me Diva and highlighted it in Bold. Also in Bold that "I infringed on your religious beliefs" which appears angry. Please let me clarify.

I didn't say "Muslims do not have a "real" relationship...I said a "personal" relationship. And, I said "I'm not certain but I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere". In other words, I'm no expert on Allah.

Christians refer to having a "personal" relationship with God through Christ because we believe the Spirit of God appeared as Christ in human form, so He could relate to us "personally". We pray to God "in Jesus name" so it's personal to us in that way.

Christians believe by biblical faith that God is in 3 forms, God the Father (spirit form), God the Son (human form), and God the Holy Spirit (the comforter, healer, giver of blessings like joy, etc). Some don't believe this. We were created with free will to choose our own beliefs.

If that's not Allah's way then that's okay with me for the Muslims...but it's not the God Christians know. That's the difference.

I was just discussing what the difference might be having "pretty sure read it somewhere". This is a discussion after all. My apologies if what I said wasn't clear and upset you in any way... *handshake* and a *hug*🤗
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I didn't misquote you because I didn't use quotes. I clarified what I said about what you wrote with "words to that affect", which clearly means I didn't quote you directly. At this point, I think it's best we do what a very good friend of mine and I do. We agree to disagree. She and I do not share the same political and sometimes social views. But we listen to each other and respect each other's opinions and experiences. We sometimes joke about how dull the world would be if everybody had the same opinions about everything. Again, please remember that my opinions, knowledge and experiences come from living most of my life as a Christian, now as a Muslim. Although I visited Baptist and Pentecostal churches, we attended the African Methodist Episcopalian (AME) church and I attended since I was a child. Our church did not teach that Jesus is God. Subsequent lectures I saw by other Christian ministers mirrored that.

Also, I want to address the Sharia Laws and harsh punishments. Remember Sharia Law is not new. It was enacted centuries ago. Beheadings took place in other parts of the world among non Muslims back then. They took place in Germany and France, among other places. If you scroll down, you'll read that guillotine executions were a source of entertainment in France. So apparently, there were a lot of "elephants" in a lot of rooms back then. Many Muslims are moving away from the harshness of Sharia Law. @Tabby Ann
https://medium.com/lessons-from-his...-guillotine-executions-in-france-434ad8189349

FYI, I put some words in bold print to accentuate my points. Showing anger or online yelling is done by using all caps. So yes..lets shake hands, give virtual hugs and keep it moving. No hard feelings intended. I reiterate a former statement. I think you are a nice person Lara. Peace
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JimBob1952 said:
Women are treated differently in different Muslim countries. It's more a matter of politics than religion. Saudi Arabia is typically the worst offender. I've attached a good summary below. I don't think mistreatment of women is inherent in Islam, just as OneEyedDiva has said; I think it's a political/sexist misinterpretation of Islam. However that does lead to significant abuses.

https://www.dw.com/en/womens-rights-in-the-islamic-world/a-40714427
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I wholeheartedly agree.
 
Tom 86 said:
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This meme is inaccurate. Muslims revere Jesus as a great prophet. Also all Muslims are not from other countries. I was born and raised right here in New Jersey. Being Muslim never shut my husband's mouth about things he saw anyone doing wrong, including other Muslims. Being Muslim never squished my freedom of speech. Just ask anybody who knows me. :) So really...the meme is just perpetrating ignorance and perhaps should have been posted in the joke section.
 

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Now, why on earth would a Irish conservative, former Catholic, find that offensive ?
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Well, just for starters, Muslims believe Jesus is a prophet and someone to be respected. Some Muslims wear bikinis, some don't. And my Jewish daughter-in-law doesn't eat pork. Does that mean she shouldn't live in the US?

As for freedom of speech, One Eyed Diva seems to be doing a pretty good job of representing her side.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
I covered the double standard thing with you in a previous reply. So clearly stated, I feel you held a double standard when you said I had no right to "beg to differ" with Lara about something I know and I have lived when I made my points (based on what I've learned as a former Christian and now Muslim) but you didn't say she had no right to say Muslims don't have a personal relationship with God (which is contrary to Muslim..thus my beliefs).
There are other hypocritical replies as well where people sweep "the facts" as you call them, under the rug and seem to refuse to acknowledge that terrible acts have been carried out in the name of Christianity.
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I am sorry Diva, you covered nothing satisfactorily, but I am not going to go into this again with you. I would like to point out if you did not go to extreme length to "defend" your new religion, none of this would have happened.

You opened as the saying go "a can of worms" and by doing that you left the way open for those who are controversial to have open court.

For me personally, I would not have put myself in that position. People have their thoughts and people will say very bad things which we may not like. One cannot go into battle every time that happens otherwise one will have no life. You may as well build a wall around yourself.

My motto in life is let my own behaviour speak for itself. It is not necessary to do otherwise, the only thing that comes from that, is pain, and then you have to be a big person to take the pain on, that you invited. All of these pages were totally unnecessary.
 

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