What do you think about the NRA?

One of the characteristics of all mass shootings is they all involve a firearm, and a shooter. Let's see, you take away the firearm. And presto, you don't have a shooter. Despite what the NRA preaches, guns do kill people. Why in the hell do you want a gun for 'PROTECTION", if it didn't? And firearms, which can totally macerate a human in less time than it takes to read this sentence, have no place in our society, outside of the military. The nation is united. Gun violence is unacceptable, and avoidable. In poll after poll, NRA members favor tighter gun regulations. Yet, at the reins of the NRA, they remain entrenched in the status quo- a broken system of gun regulations. We have to drag the NRA out of the mythical "Old West" into the present century.
 

fuzzybuddy said:
One of the characteristics of all mass killings is they all involve a firearm, and a shooter. Let's see, you take away the firearm. And presto, you don't have a shooter. Despite what the NRA preaches, guns do kill people. Why in the hell do you want a gun for 'PROTECTION", if it didn't?
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Timothy McVeigh and several others might bare a flaw in that synopsis
 
Dragonlady said:
Most of us "pick on" the NRA because it is the loudest, most conspicuous of the "gun lovers" organizations Do any of the other "groups give the same large contributions to members of congress or have as many lobbyists there working to influence any gun legislation? If they do, please tell us so we can target them also. I am not after all guns - just AR-15s and others of that ilk. No civilian really needs a gun of that type. A need of that is pure fantasy. M
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Actually, the NRA is nowhere near the top of the list, in terms of campaign contributions. There are numerous web sites that track how much the various politicians get from the special interest groups...then best one probably is Opensecrets.org. Here's just one example of how much the NRA has contributed to various politicians.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/o...ar-goes-beyond-campaign-contributions-n593051

Here's a listing of the top Dark Money donors in recent years......

https://www.opensecrets.org/dark-money/top-donors

And....contrary to popular opinion, politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle are bought and paid for.....

http://freebeacon.com/politics/none-of-the-top-10-biggest-political-donors-are-republican/

The sad truth is....Money rules our government and politicians...and the rest of us are just "Pawns" that are only necessary in the weeks/months leading up to the elections...then quickly forgotten. Big Money spends lavishly on Both sides of the Aisle, so that no matter who wins, their agenda is protected.
 
The fact remains that no one outside the military NEEDS an automatic or semi automatic rifle. Those who try to maintain that they do are plain and simple rationalizing a "want" to a "need".
 
Dragonlady said:
The fact remains that no one outside the military NEEDS an automatic or semi automatic rifle. Those who try to maintain that they do are plain and simple rationalizing a "want" to a "need".
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That all must now buy a rifle must buy one of those approved semiautomatic weapons, pistols, rifles, various gauges, and demanding that all must be less than the single shot semiautomatic is demanding that all forget any pretense of self defense for sure. Ending up with a single shot and manual reload for second shot is a bit over board. Not quite, but certainly on its way back to the old musket and primer loading ideas for sure.

If todays problems do not show who our problems are then all are blind. We have a killer that was stopped by a real live person so he did not get to use his lack of brain to build up a higher count. It appears that his father knew the guy had a problem but did not do anything about having his gun rights ended, months ago. It is a people problem and not a gun problem. All this braying and claiming lies to be fact is not going to end the problem.

Nobody decided to sit up and defend what the Swiss are doing. I would guess just afraid to take a look at reality and see that it does not fit the ways for some folks thinking.
 
rkunsaw said:
I've been an NRA member since 1969. If it wasn't for the NRA none of us would have guns. Instead of making laws against guns why don't we just make a law against murder. That would stop all the killing whether by guns, knives or any other means.
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What do you mean that if it wasn't for the NRA none of us would have guns?

The NRA had nothing to do with it. The Second Amendment allowed people to be armed. The Constitution. Long before the NRA came into existence.
 
BobF said:
That all must now buy a rifle must buy one of those approved semiautomatic weapons, pistols, rifles, various gauges, and demanding that all must be less than the single shot semiautomatic is demanding that all forget any pretense of self defense for sure. Ending up with a single shot and manual reload for second shot is a bit over board. Not quite, but certainly on its way back to the old musket and primer loading ideas for sure.

If todays problems do not show who our problems are then all are blind. We have a killer that was stopped by a real live person so he did not get to use his lack of brain to build up a higher count. It appears that his father knew the guy had a problem but did not do anything about having his gun rights ended, months ago. It is a people problem and not a gun problem. All this braying and claiming lies to be fact is not going to end the problem.

Nobody decided to sit up and defend what the Swiss are doing. I would guess just afraid to take a look at reality and see that it does not fit the ways for some folks thinking.
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The Swiss have mandatory conscription. Is that what you are advocating? Their laws on gun possession are quite strict compared to the U.S. and it's country wide. Not like the U.S. where every state has different laws.

Are you quoting Switzerland as a model to emulate? Then make all gun laws federal?
 
Camper6 said:
The Swiss have mandatory conscription. Is that what you are advocating? Their laws on gun possession are quite strict compared to the U.S. and it's country wide. Not like the U.S. where every state has different laws.

Are you quoting Switzerland as a model to emulate? Then make all gun laws federal?
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Some Swiss gun laws are federal, but most are cantonal. Look it up.
 
Camper6 said:
The Swiss have mandatory conscription. Is that what you are advocating? Their laws on gun possession are quite strict compared to the U.S. and it's country wide. Not like the U.S. where every state has different laws.

Are you quoting Switzerland as a model to emulate? Then make all gun laws federal?
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My comments about the Swiss are not about who has the stricter gun laws. As I saw things they really have looser gun laws and have no problems with the young folks or older folks being right open with their gun carrying and where they can take them. That is something that the folks in the US seem afraid to do. Why is this so in the US but not in Switzerland where it is expected for them to have gun holidays and most folks will be moving about town with his weapons, riding buses, eating in restaurants. just havomg a good time with his friends and neighbors.

Why must the US not be able to do the same? What do they teach their people to have them all so nicely conforming to their laws and expectancy of decency to the rest of their countries folks. Certainly things the US should be able to apply to encourage kinder and better ways for folks to live together.

We need to get rid of the mental problem folks, not the guns as they alone do nothing. In the hands of well minded and intended folks the guns do nothing wrong but in the hands of untrustworthy folks they can and do create a hell for some folks.

I don't find their laws to be tough on the folks in Switzerland. At military age they get a gun given to them. After their years of service they do get to keep them if they wish. That sure does not seem too tough to me.

My question is how do they manage to keep the nutters from trying to take over their country. They seem to be doing something a lot smarter than we are.
 

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