What do you think about the NRA?

I've been an NRA member for sixty years, Life member for over fifty. The NRA became political from necessity. For many years they compromised with the anti-gun people, but they finally realized that compromise is impossible. Today, we are in control; we'll never compromise again.
 
BobF said:
Communism is not gone as some pretend. There is still China, Cuba, several south and central America countries, Chili for example. Plenty of communist style thinking going around this world and also plenty of such folks here in the US. They do hate the Constitution and want to see the US turned into a big hand out for the lazy that believe the US should just fully support those that prefer to see welfare from the government when if following the early ways of the US we were all for those that wanted to come here and create their own way of living. Which is not that of sitting around and demanding more for housing, food, medicine, and so on. Just so it is not based on rewards for working.
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Every May 9th Putin conducts a Stalinist-type Communist Red Army victory military parade in Moscow's Red Square,
complete with glorifying images of Bolshevik Lenin and Communist hammer and sickle symbols and flags.

Putin's Communist Red Army military parade marches past Lenin's tomb. Yes, Lenin still lies in a place of honor at the Kremlin.
 

Everybody wants gun regulations from the NRA. So far I haven't seen any kind of suggestions on exactly what exactly do they propose? If guns are banned then only the criminals will have guns; that is a fact. Guns are available in the streets and how will they clean that up?
 
The NRA has invested heavily in getting "their" people elected to Congress and the Senate. My suggestion is to pass legislation drastically cutting down on the financial contributions to lawmakers allowed to private lobbying groups. That way, the lawmakers would not (many of them) be in the pockets of the NRA.

But of course, this won't happen as long as the NRA lackeys are the people who have to pass the legislation! Maybe the Supreme Court could enforce some sort of controls?
 
CTLady said:
Everybody wants gun regulations from the NRA. So far I haven't seen any kind of suggestions on exactly what exactly do they propose? If guns are banned then only the criminals will have guns; that is a fact. Guns are available in the streets and how will they clean that up?
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It's not criminals shooting up the schools,churches,concerts. Grandfathering like they did with automatics. Handguns will always be available.
 
Camper6 said:
It's not criminals shooting up the schools,churches,concerts. Grandfathering like they did with automatics. Handguns will always be available.
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Had they been properly medically described prior to their wild shooting they would have been put in to closer care in mental institutions. Had their parents of others taken time to keep them from having weapons out of concern. Had our politicians allowed for proper screening of buyers and for armed guards in our public areas like schools we would not have so much grief to worry about. Why not have capable and willing teachers carry defensive weapons with them, or at least make it possible for them to do so if they choose to do so.

No way to blame those innocent of seeing these things happen if they are prevented from being part of the active defense.

Blaming the NRA for all evil is not very intelligent to say the least. They are just the best known but there are other groups around doing the same types of things the NRA is doing. If I can ever find someone that has put together a list and numbers for the existing groups I will post if for all to see.
 
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I'm not blaming the NRA. And I doubt screening every individual would be feasible. The gun cannot be left out of the equation and blaming everything else hasn't worked for decades. Time for a new approach.
 
Camper6 said:
It's not criminals shooting up the schools,churches,concerts. Grandfathering like they did with automatics. Handguns will always be available.
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A correction on one description is this. There were no automatics used in these gun events. There were semiautomatics that looked like the real automatics.
 
BobF said:
A correction on one description is this. There were no automatics used in these gun events. There were semiautomatics that looked like the real automatics.
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Oh we know that Bob. Lucky for us only semis. Like we need more firepower?
So just dismiss the semis as harmless?
One of the shooters used a bump stock imitating an automatic.
 
Camper6 said:
Oh we know that Bob. Lucky for us only semis. Like we need more firepower?
So just dismiss the semis as harmless?
One of the shooters used a bump stock imitating an automatic.
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If you want to push blame at least do it honestly. They were not automatics. One or. two per second is a lot less deadly than in the higher rates of the automatics.

There is no reason for doing any of this shooting so why not go for the problem, the shooters. Many have been identified as mental problems. That is the source and there needs to be a way of handling this problem.

Knives, explosions, fire bombs, all sorts of alternatives would become apparent to the mental midgets that do these things if the guns are taken away.
 
BobF said:
If you want to push blame at least do it honestly.

There is no reason for doing any of this shooting so why not go for the problem, the shooters. Msany have been identified as mental problems. That is the source and there needs to be a way of handling this problem.

Knives, explosions, fire bombs, all sorts of alternatives would become apparent to the mental midgets that do these things.
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Bob. You cannot leave the gun out of the equation and hope to solve the problem. I'm tired of seeing excuses instead of solving the problem and that's the last I have to say on it.
 
The gun is but a small part of the equation. The shooter is the biggest part and the shooter can and will use whatever else he can find, no guns then explosives, fire, knives, whatever the killer chooses to be their weapon.

The killer is the problem and the method is of the killers choice.
 
Bob, Bob, Bob. Of course the gun is a key element in the problem. Yes, it requires someone to shoot it (duh, I think we all knew that). But the proliferation of these extremely dangerous tools of destruction, and the ease of acquiring them no matter by whom, is responsible for the constant daily shootings, and the mass slaughter committed on innocent people, including children. Take away the guns and you have a maniac running around with a knife, who might stab one or two people before being brought down.

And the knives and other implements of murder are also tools with other purposes. The gun has no purpose other than inflicting damage, aside from target practice. Most of the worshippers of guns do not use them for target practice. Semi-automatics are not usually used for hunting. What possible justification can there be for allowing any civilian access to these weapons?

It's easy to say, "Remove the mentally ill from the picture, lock up the criminals in advance, etc." How on earth could we ever do that? A young man goes to a gun dealer and purchases one of those weapons. Is the gun dealer supposed to be a mind reader, able to know what the young man is planning to do with that gun? A stupid parent buys a gun for "protection of his family," except that he doesn't bother locking it up. Bam! Maybe the gun dealer should administer an IQ test before selling the gun?

These automatic (or semi-automatic, let's not split hairs) guns must be removed from easy access by the public, period. Yes, it would be nice to remove the nut cases, but removing the guns is a lot easier! They are just guns. Metal objects. There is nothing sacred about them, no matter what the NRA is trying to get us to believe about them.
 
P.S. And before you suggest that in the absence of guns, the bad guys will start poisoning the water supply, I also believe that poisons on that scale should be inaccessable to the general public.
 
I know very little about fire arms. All I know is you put bullets into it and they come out when fired up. The uses of a gun are extremely limited. You can't fix a leaky sink with one. It has one basic use= to shoot at something. The reason for a gun is to kill something, or someone. We, in the USA, can own and use guns. The NRA is both a manufacturer's and gun owner's advocate. Its opposition to any gun restriction legislation is legendary. It is a strong, and powerful voice in politics. By its total opposition of any reasonable gun regulation, we have a fractured system of gun laws, where enormous holes, via gun shows, etc.,which permit anyone to purchase any weapon. The resulting deaths from gun violence rest squarely on the shooter and the NRA, which enable guns to be put in the hands of those, who should not have them.
 
Apparently we still have no one willing to admit that there are many groups other than NRA. NRA has about 5 million members and that is a small number. The number of gun lovers is much larger than the gun haters and many are also part of the far left political party bunch. If you really wish to get rid of guns it would need to be a effort to revise our Constitution.

Why are the Swiss able to have guns and not have gun crazy like we seem to have in the US. It is something in our culture in the US. Why do we raise folks that think killing is an OK thing to do. The Swiss have guns in homes, in public, it is part of their lives and somehow they don't seem to develop minds for killing.

It all boils down to the people, the shooters, Without a shooters mind set like our sicko types, not many get shot. The guns do not shoot themselves.
 
Leaving NRA 'off the hook' is not the intent at all. Why pick only on NRA when many others are involved in their same battle.

The battle will have to be much bigger, a federal case in Congress where enough power is shown to end guns in the US and then a federal effort to modify our Constitution would need to be started. Once started it would start through the states, one by one, until eventually enough states agreed to some sort of change or the effort get pulled back for lack of interest. It might be quickly or take years to get to happen.

I am not against this action taking place at all. What does not count are all these parades, sit in's, thoughtless leadership directing things down false paths. This is teaching our young people the wrong way to disagree with our Constitution.

Guns don't ever shoot anyone. It takes twisted minds to take a gun and shoot someone.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
The uses of a gun are extremely limited. You can't fix a leaky sink with one. It has one basic use= to shoot at something. The reason for a gun is to kill something, or someone. We, in the USA, can own and use guns. The NRA is both a manufacturer's and gun owner's advocate. Its opposition to any gun restriction legislation is legendary. It is a strong, and powerful voice in politics. By its total opposition of any reasonable gun regulation, we have a fractured system of gun laws, where enormous holes, via gun shows, etc.,which permit anyone to purchase any weapon. The resulting deaths from gun violence rest squarely on the shooter and the NRA, which enable guns to be put in the hands of those, who should not have them.
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Guess I’m not understanding the paranoia
I’m a member
Been one for some time now
Get some mailings, but they don’t pester me
In our area, being a member is no big deal, it’s like whether or not you go to church
Why you go or don’t go is never brought up
There’s more folks that carry here than those that don’t


As far as artillery usage other than defense or ‘killing’;
My shotguns do things like knock chunks of snow off high tree limbs before they drop on this unsuspecting ol’ head of mine
And shoo deer away from my garden
Things like that
Looks to be the ‘agenda’ is not by the NRA…..

'gun shows, etc.,which permit anyone to purchase any weapon'
a total misguided untruth
....ever try to buy one lately?



fuzzybuddy said:
I know very little about fire arms. .
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BobF said:
Leaving NRA 'off the hook' is not the intent at all. Why pick only on NRA when many others are involved in their same battle.

The battle will have to be much bigger, a federal case in Congress where enough power is shown to end guns in the US and then a federal effort to modify our Constitution would need to be started. Once started it would start through the states, one by one, until eventually enough states agreed to some sort of change or the effort get pulled back for lack of interest. It might be quickly or take years to get to happen.

I am not against this action taking place at all. What does not count are all these parades, sit in's, thoughtless leadership directing things down false paths. This is teaching our young people the wrong way to disagree with our Constitution.

Guns don't ever shoot anyone. It takes twisted minds to take a gun and shoot someone.
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Most of us "pick on" the NRA because it is the loudest, most conspicuous of the "gun lovers" organizations Do any of the other "groups give the same large contributions to members of congress or have as many lobbyists there working to influence any gun legislation? If they do, please tell us so we can target them also. I am not after all guns - just AR-15s and others of that ilk. No civilian really needs a gun of that type. A need of that is pure fantasy.
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Dragonlady, exactly. The NRA is "picked on" because it is the biggest and loudest, throwing its weight around by financing politicians who apparently don't care how many people get killed, as long as they get elected.
 
Dragonlady said:
Most of us "pick on" the NRA because it is the loudest, most conspicuous of the "gun lovers" organizations Do any of the other "groups give the same large contributions to members of congress or have as many lobbyists there working to influence any gun legislation? If they do, please tell us so we can target them also. I am not after all guns - just AR-15s and others of that ilk. No civilian really needs a gun of that type. A need of that is pure fantasy.
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What do you mean by a AR 15 and there type? The legal AR 15's are no different than any other type of legal gun sold in the us. They are not full automatic like the military versions. They have been limited to semi auto matic like all repeating shot weapons sold to civilians. They may look just like military weapons but as long as they only operate as civilian guns are allowed to work, they are legal and not full automatic. You can buy a .22 clip loaded rifle that will have the same capabilities of the legal US civilian bound market guns. They are all semi automatic.

You big argument is that nobody should be murdered in any way. I would prefer the bullet and sudden death to a knife cut and slowly bleeding to death over minutes or more time.

Get the nutters off the road and cared for in a health facility and many of these mass killings would have never happened. How about todays news. Carrying guns, no cloths on, killed four, but a nearby person grabbed the rifle and ended that threat. It is not the guns doing the killings, it is the nut cases with the guns that is our problem.

Time for some folks to really read what is agreed too and stop crying about imagined problems.
 

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