What I don’t understand about Christianity

Who_so_ever said:
This. A part of their minds believe or wonder, otherwise they wouldn't spend so much time & energy trying to tear down God, the Bible, believers, etc. As for some of the scripture taken out of context or twisted..... well, we know who is responsible for that. So, it's meaningless.

This is what blows my mind:
1. Why get so aggressive denying His existence? I bet they don't spew such anger & sarcasm about the toothfairy!:ROFLMAO:
2. Why go out of their way to "discuss" someone that they claim doesn't exist? :LOL:
3. Why is it so important to them that they get obsessive about trying to convince others or teaching them He isn't real?
4. Why do these folks bring up God or Christianity then attack people. If people done you wrong, why you go and blame God for it. He didn't do it. lol
5. And, most important, if people would study the Word themselves..... why on earth would they hate Christ? Why would they get angry at His teachings?

Pearls & swine.....
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What is wrong with questioning

1.How did God become God?
2.Where outside our universe does a sentient being billions of years old live?
3.How can a being that had the power to create heaven & earth, all living things sacrifice his son & not honor that sacrifice since the reason for the sacrifice did no good?
4. Why did miracles as described in the bible stop?
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Knight said:
What is wrong with questioning

1.How did God become God?
2.Where outside our universe does a sentient being billions of years old live?
3.How can a being that had the power to create heaven & earth, all living things sacrifice his son & not honor that sacrifice since the reason for the sacrifice did no good?
4. Why did miracles as described in the bible stop?
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Questions, among a few other things, make life worth living.

However, there are things beyond our understanding. Trying not to be a cop out, but how would you attempt to try to explain your self to a microbe? That's the great thing about questions, they generally invoke better questions.
 
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Knight said:
What is wrong with questioning

1.How did God become God?
2.Where outside our universe does a sentient being billions of years old live?
3.How can a being that had the power to create heaven & earth, all living things sacrifice his son & not honor that sacrifice since the reason for the sacrifice did no good?
4. Why did miracles as described in the bible stop?
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Science doesn't have all the answers, yet we tend to trust it. Isn't trust just another term for faith?
 
All very interesting. Let me pose a question for consideration.
How far does space go? How far?
Forever? or is there a limit. We live on a planet that is part of what we call the solar system. Yet it is a small part of what we can see based on our telescopes and observatories. There is so much more that we don't understand. Yet we put limits on God.
Why? because we can't comprehend the universe we live in. We can't understand the limits of the universe therefore we can't comprehend the limits of God. Regardless of what you know or think you know, the fact is that you live, breath, talk, think about somethings that you have no clue about. Neither do I, but I am willing to accept that fact.
Doubt, believe.............find your own path. I choose to believe in God and hope that What I know based on what HE has said in the bible will guide me.
Not trying to convert you, help you find the path to peace in the Lord.
Not trying to do anything but make you think.
 
Catholic, minor or capitalized has nothing to do what I said. Universal or otherwise. It is about GOD. It is about talking to him, directly, regardless of beliefs. you don't need someone to intercede for you. you just need to talk to him. Pray to him and then wait!
 
Every oldie worries about his beliefs, why not share them.
We were out buying stuff for the Granddaughter, she told Mema
me and my Boyfriends together.

I'm waiting for Her to come out the door with 2 shopping carts in Turbos 100 yards away up hill in the parking lot.
An Elderly lady is coming straight at me, I'm thinking the Big RED F150 next to me and I'm going to have to move
so she can get into it. At the last she turns and goes to an SUV on my left. I say my thoughts to her ( I'm
waiting for my wife.) She says Hers are for the Church Charity / poor. She tells me my wife is coming with 2 carts
soon out that double door. It's to get that maybe 10% are trying to help the needy?

Why shouldn't people need reasons to be gentle, giving hu-mains, share those thoughts.
Isn't that Christian. Isn't alot of the rest B.S.
 
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I'll share my experience with religion, which I've shared in the past. I went to a Southern Baptist high school that insisted women wear skirts rather than pants and men keep their hair above their ears. Dancing and rock music were taboo, yet the preacher's son had drug and alcohol-fueled parties away from school. The quarterback's girlfriend got pregnant as a senior and was not allowed to graduate. The hypocrisy was palpable.

We had Bible Class every week and I've read the Book from cover to cover. Every Wednesday we had chapel with a visiting preacher who would preach "fire and brimstone". The music wouldn't stop until every last one of us went up front to repent. I and one other friend sat in the pews until the end because we saw it as a way to pull on our heart strings. I've always been a pragmatist. BTW, as much as I hated high school I was Senior Class President. Just saying I was hardly an outcast.

Even when I attended this high school, my friend and I joined Church of Christ his father was an Elder. They didn't believe in instruments during singing and converted every scripture to the original Greek. I was Baptized for a second time because I was told when I was Baptized in the Baptist Church at Age 9 I had no idea what it was for. They believed the only way to salvation was to be Baptized.

I often asked questions about how people who were infirm and couldn't be Baptized could be saved. There were no answers. Then I started asking questions about how people from other continents could be saved when they hadn't heard the scripture. Again, no answers. Maybe "missionaries" were their salvation. Only men could be Elders in the church. I left organized religion altogether after I graduated high school. I tried two Gentile religions and both were unforgiving and restrictive.

I'm not criticizing any Christians here because my mother remained religious until her dying day (watching Joel Osteen) and it was her religion that got her through her dying days. For many, religion is a way to get through life and have something to believe in.

It's just not for me. What I believe in is critical thinking. I've made my own decisions my entire life and most have been good. I don't feel the need to seek clarity from a "greater god". And if I were Catholic, I sure wouldn't feel the need to go to a priest to get to God. I don't feel the need for anyone else's sympathy because I'm a "sinner" or need to be pitied. I'm just fine with my life. When I'm on my deathbed, I'll know that I've been a good moral person and I've treated others as I would like to be treated. No regrets.
 
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rbtvgo said:
All very interesting. Let me pose a question for consideration.
How far does space go? How far?
Forever? or is there a limit. We live on a planet that is part of what we call the solar system. Yet it is a small part of what we can see based on our telescopes and observatories. There is so much more that we don't understand. Yet we put limits on God.
Why? because we can't comprehend the universe we live in. We can't understand the limits of the universe therefore we can't comprehend the limits of God. Regardless of what you know or think you know, the fact is that you live, breath, talk, think about somethings that you have no clue about. Neither do I, but I am willing to accept that fact.
Doubt, believe.............find your own path. I choose to believe in God and hope that What I know based on what HE has said in the bible will guide me.
Not trying to convert you, help you find the path to peace in the Lord.
Not trying to do anything but make you think.
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Bible readers can be just as evil as non-bible readers too! Think about it.

If there was a limit to what could be thought of as a limited volume of "Space," Eternal room ending in a Box or solid sphere, Intergalactic spaces, light of crashes into the solid walls would be constantly flaring all around because of all the calamity caused by the collisions since forever. /what might you consider the end of eternity being a beach at a endless ocean? Wait that would that be another Dimensions?
Couldn't it be another beginning to a forever / Eternal mt or open area of mt space?

I can sort of believe that the Eternity away will answer the now an will one day end up being just one huge Blackhole.
That sort of says gravity will Wynn out, but it may be "Black Matter" that causes it and Enormous black holes containing
Incredible amounts of dying Galaxies just happened to meet.

If you take that a step back the enormous product of all of that would be squeezed down to an incredible small point in and incredible
mt place.
But if you look at the laws of Gravity, the further you fall the faster you fall. Ok now think of a Super Attractor many Trillions of uncountable
Trillions of light years away constantly pulling from a curve. Maybe that's the end to it all. The attraction closest to you would curve & distort space/time the most wouldn't it. Everything basically moving faster and faster, mostly seeming to expand away. Check out the weird things the Galaxies are doing in the Milky way group. Would reasoning mean wow! A huge Infinite in size Ball could make sense, when matter finally reaches it, it doesn't exist anymore as matter. In the way we know of it. Could / Would it be humongous Shell of S--- ! A Super thing of smelly goo!

Think about an eternity of Crap all there, in a guck. Awesomely awful. Dreadful, worst hell imaginable.
Does everything about life go back to the Egg and basically roundish balls of stuff.

Most likely it all depends on speed of matter / vibrating Energy waves moving thru the curvature of Space Time.
 
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seadoug said:
I'll share my experience with religion, which I've shared in the past. I went to a Southern Baptist high school that insisted women wear skirts rather than pants and men keep their hair above their ears. Dancing and rock music were taboo, yet the preacher's son had drug and alcohol-fueled parties away from school. The quarterback's girlfriend got pregnant as a senior and was not allowed to graduate. The hypocrisy was palpable.

We had Bible Class every week and I've read the Book from cover to cover. Every Wednesday we had chapel with a visiting preacher who would preach "fire and brimstone". The music wouldn't stop until every last one of us went up front to repent. I and one other friend sat in the pews until the end because we saw it as a way to pull on our heart strings. I've always been a pragmatist. BTW, as much as I hated high school I was Senior Class President. Just saying I was hardly an outcast.

Even when I attended this high school, my friend and I joined Church of Christ his father was an Elder. They didn't believe in instruments during singing and converted every scripture to the original Greek. I was Baptized for a second time because I was told when I was Baptized in the Baptist Church at Age 9 I had no idea what it was for. They believed the only way to salvation was to be Baptized.

I often asked questions about how people who were infirm and couldn't be Baptized could be saved. There were no answers. Then I started asking questions about how people from other continents could be saved when they hadn't heard the scripture. Again, no answers. Maybe "missionaries" were their salvation. Only men could be Elders in the church. I left organized religion altogether after I graduated high school. I tried two Gentile religions and both were unforgiving and restrictive.

I'm not criticizing any Christians here because my mother remained religious until her dying day (watching Joel Osteen) and it was her religion that got her through her dying days. For many, religion is a way to get through life and have something to believe in.

It's just not for me. What I believe in is critical thinking. I've made my own decisions my entire life and most have been good. I don't feel the need to seek clarity from a "greater god". And if I were Catholic, I sure wouldn't feel the need to go to a priest to get to God. I don't feel the need for anyone else's sympathy because I'm a "sinner" or need to be pitied. I'm just fine with my life. When I'm on my deathbed, I'll know that I've been a good moral person and I've treated others as I would like to be treated. No regrets.
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In answer boil a 12 oz of water, go take a shower, the water is cooled off, say I love you jesus and poor it on your head. Repeat I love you
Jesus, bless you. Basically, you promise yourself peace and grace, forgiveness and kindness for all.

↑ Many don't really like a smart ass. Is the reason you didn't walk out of the music torture?

I catechism a Methodist & Married, my first son a Methodist Baptized.

Later married a Catholic, went to Mass a lot. I have a lot of knowledgeable thoughts about all of that later happening in the 80's/90's.
Go with what cha like to is my thoughts. No other positive answers from here.
 
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Christians don't have any desire to try to guess the answers to questions that are not yet revealed by our Creator because we just trust that He will reveal what we need to know in His perfect time. We don't try to figure Him out or push Him. He knows what He's doing so we are patient knowing that His perfect timing is for our own good. We just trust.

Christians are focused on their personal relationship with their Lord and Savior that has proven to be real to them through answered prayers and personal experiences of undeniable validations that cause them to know the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are listening and care. God's answers to prayer are either yes, no, or wait. Our trust and patience give Christians a peace that passes all understanding.
 
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Who_so_ever said:
This. A part of their minds believe or wonder, otherwise they wouldn't spend so much time & energy trying to tear down God, the Bible, believers, etc. As for some of the scripture taken out of context or twisted..... well, we know who is responsible for that. So, it's meaningless.

This is what blows my mind:
1. Why get so aggressive denying His existence? I bet they don't spew such anger & sarcasm about the toothfairy!:ROFLMAO:
2. Why go out of their way to "discuss" someone that they claim doesn't exist? :LOL:
3. Why is it so important to them that they get obsessive about trying to convince others or teaching them He isn't real?
4. Why do these folks bring up God or Christianity then attack people. If people done you wrong, why you go and blame God for it. He didn't do it. lol
5. And, most important, if people would study the Word themselves..... why on earth would they hate Christ? Why would they get angry at His teachings?

Pearls & swine.....
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I read very little aggression in this thread, and certainly find no hatred toward Jesus nor anger at his teachings.
 
JeeperDon said:
[My 2¢ - Religion here on SF should be as restricted as politics threads. No one can be moved on either issue.]
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Disagree.

We here at SF can discuss religion but that depends on how such is carefully narrowly posed and then handled. When some members create religious threads it doesn't go well and usually that is because of what and how they state whatever and how OPs handle off topic hijacking and reactions of others. The same can be said about some other controversial threads on other matters like with pandemic issues, Ukraine war, vaccines, health care, etc. Some threads on SF are unwisely posed by those who don't bother considering how others might interpret whatever in ways they didn't expect.

I thought my recent religious thread went quite well.

Easter essay on God and Jesus

People read what I speculated on. A few members with traditional Christian views briefly noted they didn't agree and understandably didn't need to explain. Some new members baited me probably for reactions with terse shallow sentences or nonsense, and found I ignore such. Only PD found anything to disagree with that was a minor issue with a link, I agreed with him on.

Another facet of this which is very evident in this thread is some members cannot resist baiting others. Just like trolls trying to stir people up that usually engages the same few members who then get up on their soap boxes while the rest of the community ignores them until days later one wonders what are they STILL talking about?
 
rbtvgo said:
All very interesting. Let me pose a question for consideration.
How far does space go? How far?
Forever? or is there a limit.
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According to the bible a sentient being supposedly created the space we live in. There in no way to be inside what is created that wasn't there. Think of it like creating a box that wasn't there.
 
Gardenlover said:
Questions, among a few other things, make life worth living.

However, there are things beyond our understanding. Trying not to be a cop out, but how would you attempt to try to explain your self to a microbe? That's the great thing about questions, they generally invoke better questions.
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You could write that you control all life. But the microbe not being sentient would not understand nor be able to question. Thankfully those born with some ability to question do so. It's when no explanation of reasonable questions go to "faith" as a response that as you post
generally invoke better questions.
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I've not been exposed to other religions. There are an estimated 10,000 distinct religions worldwide,[11] though nearly all of them have regionally based, relatively small followings.
Religion - Wikipedia.

My attempt at a better question stems from this in the bible.

In Genesis 1, God creates "man" (later understood to be Adam) in His image, and in Genesis 2, a more detailed account describes God creating Adam from the dust of the ground and then Eve from Adam's rib.

My question

If mankind began with Adam then Eve from Adams rib how did

four nucleotides, or bases, in DNA: adenine (A), cytosine (C), guanine (G), and thymine (T). These bases form specific pairs (A with T, and G with C).

come to be?
 
I think the biblical account of the creation of man is at best, very fanciful, but tens of thousands of years ago, I doubt if anyone understood the evolution of life on Earth. We should just take it as that - an early attempt to explain how we came to be here.

As for the state, and potential fate, of the universe, by great coincidence, this was discussed yesterday at some length on the BBC programme 'Writing the universe'.
 
rbtvgo said:
Catholic, minor or capitalized has nothing to do what I said. Universal or otherwise. It is about GOD. It is about talking to him, directly, regardless of beliefs. you don't need someone to intercede for you. you just need to talk to him. Pray to him and then wait!
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sound advice - and whilst we are waiting learn to understand patience??
 
Knight said:
You could write that you control all life. But the microbe not being sentient would not understand nor be able to question. Thankfully those born with some ability to question do so. It's when no explanation of reasonable questions go to "faith" as a response that as you post

I've not been exposed to other religions. There are an estimated 10,000 distinct religions worldwide,[11] though nearly all of them have regionally based, relatively small followings.
Religion - Wikipedia.

My attempt at a better question stems from this in the bible.

In Genesis 1, God creates "man" (later understood to be Adam) in His image, and in Genesis 2, a more detailed account describes God creating Adam from the dust of the ground and then Eve from Adam's rib.

My question

If mankind began with Adam then Eve from Adams rib how did

four nucleotides, or bases, in DNA: adenine (A), cytosine (C), guanine (G), and thymine (T). These bases form specific pairs (A with T, and G with C).

come to be?
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God also created the natural processes (like chemistry) to bring about life, including the DNA code. The complexity surely points to a creator.
 

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