What is one of your Pet Peeves in life?

ClassicRockr said:
Ok, Keesha, I was being totally sarcastic in the one sentence (highlighted in red). I loved it when I got an applause from the crowd when my partner and I got a nice time in roping.
No matter what pictures are shown, of which most-to-all rodeo fans and contestants don't care about the photos, because the cause of a death isn't the rider's fault...…….a heart attack in a horse can simply happen and I've seen this. Events in rodeo are taken right out of ranch work. That's why I've told you, and others here, you would never be able to see what goes on in ranch/farm work. You'd think ranchers and farmers were totally cruel, of which they aren't! Steers and calves have to be roped in order to brand and/or doctor. Either that or they are put into a "squeeze chute" to do it. Calves will bellow (cry), just like little piglets will when having a ring put into their nose to stop them from digging a ditch.

IOW, Keesha, you are a sweet, kind, gentle person towards animals.......ok. But, when working with beef cattle and unbroke horses, a person can't be that way. I found that out working with hogs and working at a livestock auction on the day bulls were sold. I almost got nailed by a bulls horns twice. Just made it up to the top of a gate in time.

There are those that get disgusted when a dog owner puts their dog into a Dog Agility Contest or a Sporting dog (Retriever) into a water retrieving contest. Or, when dogs are put thru tricks on a stage, like the one that is currently on America's Got Talent.

Things can happen in a rodeo arena, both good and bad, but, in the long run, rodeo has been going on for lots and lots of years with contestants winning millions of dollars and all of the animals taken very good care of......…no matter what any picture shows.
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ClassicRockr,
You don’t seem to have grasped what I and others were upset about.

I’m not against rodeos. I’m not against dog shows. I’m not against horse racing. I’m not against dog breeders.

People have a right to get into any type of hobby they want to and ‘most’ people treat the animals better than many treat their children. This I most certainly respect but this isn’t the case with everyone. Unfortunately there are those who do abuse animals in every area of life.

What I’m upset about is your ignorance of any type of animal abuse. Win posted three videos showing abuse that can happen and you completely disregarded them like they weren’t even there. You avoided the question asking if you even looked at them.

You act like anyone who hasn’t done rodeo training or worked on a farm doesn’t understand that animals get hurt and cry in pain. I grew up where our backyard fence divided our property from farmland. Since 1992 I’ve lived in the country surrounded by forest & farmland. I’ve rode into the next town on horseback and helped care for horses with neighbours and friends. Some of these places are worth millions and it’s certainly tough work not meant for the faint hearted but you have no idea of the things I’ve seen and experienced. I don’t live in the city like you.

Once again you’ve skipped over the direct questions concerning animal cruelty and abuse while glamorizing the sport, emphasizing the ‘tough’ characteristic that’s needed. You’ve completely skirted around the topic of concern.

There’s no doubt that rodeos are popular and make lots of money but there will always be people who abuse and take advantage of others and unfortunately this includes animals. You can turn a blind eye to it and pretty it up all you want, it happens.
 
ClassicRockr said:
Way to go, StarSong!! You've been there and seen that, just like myself. I actually seen a horse fall down, going around a barrel. After a few barrel racers had gone, the ground got very soft and the horse plainly slide. Neither the horse or the rider were hurt. Both got up off of the arena floor and the girl took her horse back to it's stable to be checked out. Vet said "your gelding is fine".
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Not the type of stuff we were referring to but let’s just agree to disagree on this one. ✌️☮️
 
win231 said:
It's unlikely you would see any animal mistreated at a rodeo - if your head is buried as far in the sand as "Classic Rockr's." Make sure you wear eye protection. Sand is very painful when it gets into the eyes.
After you pull your head out, check the videos.
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I've been behind the scenes at rodeos and horse shows. I'm not saying that no horse has ever been mistreated at a rodeo, but rather that it's the rare exception rather than the rule.

Youtube videos only prove that a particular situation happened at a particular place during a particular time.


Keesha said:
ClassicRockr,
You don’t seem to have grasped what I and others were upset about.

I’m not against rodeos. I’m not against dog shows. I’m not against horse racing. I’m not against dog breeders.

People have a right to get into any type of hobby they want to and ‘most’ people treat the animals better than many treat their children. This I most certainly respect but this isn’t the case with everyone. Unfortunately there are those who do abuse animals in every area of life.

What I’m upset about is your ignorance of any type of animal abuse. Win posted three videos showing abuse that can happen and you completely disregarded them like they weren’t even there. You avoided the question asking if you even looked at them.

You act like anyone who hasn’t done rodeo training or worked on a farm doesn’t understand that animals get hurt and cry in pain. I grew up where our backyard fence divided our property from farmland. Since 1992 I’ve lived in the country surrounded by forest & farmland. I’ve rode into the next town on horseback and helped care for horses with neighbours and friends. Some of these places are worth millions and it’s certainly tough work not meant for the faint hearted but you have no idea of the things I’ve seen and experienced. I don’t live in the city like you.

Once again you’ve skipped over the direct questions concerning animal cruelty and abuse while glamorizing the sport, emphasizing the ‘tough’ characteristic that’s needed. You’ve completely skirted around the topic of concern.

There’s no doubt that rodeos are popular and make lots of money but there will always be people who abuse and take advantage of others and unfortunately this includes animals. You can turn a blind eye to it and pretty it up all you want, it happens.
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Well said. Obviously, abuse can and does occasionally happen at rodeos and similar events. I live within a half hour drive of the (now infamous) Santa Anita Racetrack, where the horrific string of racing horse deaths has created outrage and headlines. That terrible situation spotlights how, in quests for our own entertainment, humans use animals to their detriment.
 
StarSong said:
I've been behind the scenes at rodeos and horse shows. I'm not saying that no horse has ever been mistreated at a rodeo, but rather that it's the rare exception rather than the rule.
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That may be true for the riders's personal horses, but what about the ones used for bucking? Their privates are squeezed so tight to cause discomfort/pain and he bucks only BECAUSE he's trying to dislodge the strap. I've never seen a bucking horse that does not have a strap around the back end and he keeps bucking even after the riders have gotten off and stops only when one of the rodeo guys loosen the strap.

What about the calves that are running at full speed and get lassoed around the neck and get jerked violently into the ground, sometimes breaking bones or at least loosening skin? I've seen some do somersaults from the violent pulling.

Rodeos are animal abuse. The only reason they are legal is because the laws protect pets but not farm animals.
 
Catlady said:
That may be true for the riders's personal horses, but what about the ones used for bucking? Their privates are squeezed so tight to cause discomfort/pain and he bucks only BECAUSE he's trying to dislodge the strap. I've never seen a bucking horse that does not have a strap around the back end and he keeps bucking even after the riders have gotten off and stops only when one of the rodeo guys loosen the strap.

What about the calves that are running at full speed and get lassoed around the neck and get jerked violently into the ground, sometimes breaking bones or at least loosening skin? I've seen some do somersaults from the violent pulling.

Rodeos are animal abuse. The only reason they are legal is because the laws protect pets but not farm animals.
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Jerking a calf down, while calf roping, now called Tie-Down Roping, is no longer legal and a contestant can get a "no time" or fine from a PRCA Judge for doing it.
Here is the ruling from PRCA for "jerk down":
PRCA Board passes new tie-down roping rule

by Mar 16, 2015


COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. – The PRCA Board of Directors unanimously passed a tie-down roping rule change on March 10, per the suggestion of an ad-hoc committee consisting of tie-down roping contestants, rodeo committees, stock contractors and animal welfare representatives.

The new rule, effective June 1, 2015, gives rodeo committees the option of replacing the existing fine for a jerk-down in the event with a no-time.

Starting June 1, rodeo committees can choose to implement a no-time, per the new rule, in the approvals process. Committees choosing a no-time for a jerk-down will be required to properly prepare the cattle for competition in accordance with Rule 8.6, under the supervision of the tie-down roping representative or his appointee.

As far as the flank strap on a bucking horse, here is PRCA rules for that:
The outside of the flank strap is made of leather. The inside is lined with sheepskin or neoprene. Rodeo rules specify the flank strap must be lined with enough sheepskin to cover the belly of the horse and both flanks, and that no sharp or cutting edges of any kind be present. These rules are consistent with what animal behaviorists have taught us regarding animals such as the horse: his first reaction to pain or danger stimuli is to flee. A horse who is afraid or in pain won’t buck, he will try to run away.

Even though I'm no longer a rodeo contestant, I still following any rule changes and know rules.
 
Nobody makes a person go to a rodeo, just as nobody makes a person get tattoos/body piercings. Don't like either, don't go or get. Simple!!
 
ClassicRockr said:
Jerking a calf down, while calf roping, now called Tie-Down Roping, is no longer legal and a contestant can get a "no time" or fine from a PRCA Judge for doing it.
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So why does the horse buck and then STOP bucking after one of the riders loosens the strap? Obviously he's in pain from having his balls squeezed. Right?

And how do you explain how these calves are jerked up in the air and slammed to the ground, they're lucky if their neck doesn't break. You and all rodeo aficionados are insensitive jerks!

 
And here's the bucking horse in pain and still bucking after the rider is off it, until a rider manages to loosen the painful strap squeezing his privates.

 
ClassicRockr said:
Nobody makes a person go to a rodeo, just as nobody makes a person get tattoos/body piercings. Don't like either, don't go or get. Simple!!
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That’s right. Nobody makes a person go to a rodeo but that doesn’t take away the acknowledgement that animals are being needlessly hurt for entertainment purposes. I don’t like it and I don’t go so , NO, it’s not that simple. The acknowledgment still hurts some of us.
 
Keesha said:
That’s right. Nobody makes a person go to a rodeo but that doesn’t take away the acknowledgement that animals are being needlessly hurt for entertainment purposes. I don’t like it and I don’t go so , NO, it’s not that simple. The acknowledgment still hurts some of us.
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Yes, it will hurt some of you...…..the ones that don't know the sport and depend only on PETA video's to look at. Look what StarSong states here. She understands what goes on.

Believe it or not, it does take a tough person to work around livestock. Just ask any ranch, farm or dairy owner.

Like I've stated, you don't like it, don't go. There are plenty of things the public doesn't like, but have to put up with. Like, child abuse, wife abuse and so on.
 
Catlady said:
So why does the horse buck and then STOP bucking after one of the riders loosens the strap? Obviously he's in pain from having his balls squeezed. Right?

And how do you explain how these calves are jerked up in the air and slammed to the ground, they're lucky if their neck doesn't break. You and all rodeo aficionados are insensitive jerks!

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Guess you didn't read my long post on how the PRCA is handling "jerk-down" now. Just visit a ranch and see ranch hands rope the hind legs of a calf and drag it to the branding area, and do an inoculation to it as well.
 
Catlady said:
So why does the horse buck and then STOP bucking after one of the riders loosens the strap? Obviously he's in pain from having his balls squeezed. Right?

And how do you explain how these calves are jerked up in the air and slammed to the ground, they're lucky if their neck doesn't break. You and all rodeo aficionados are insensitive jerks!

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Calling me a "jerk" sure isn't going to stop the sport! Thank God! None of you "city folks", who have never been around livestock (handled it) know anything. How about 4-H and FFA kids using a wooden cane to control their hogs during a livestock show? Guess you'd call those kids "jerks" as well. Bet their parents would have some "not so kind words" to say to you.
Just watch calling anyone in a forum "jerk". Forum Admin's don't like that.
 
Keesha said:
That’s right. Nobody makes a person go to a rodeo but that doesn’t take away the acknowledgement that animals are being needlessly hurt for entertainment purposes. I don’t like it and I don’t go so , NO, it’s not that simple. The acknowledgment still hurts some of us.
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Than don't read/look at the thread or even reply to it...…..that's simple enough! LOL
Keesha, you are just too sensitive, like I can be and you complain about.
 
ClassicRockr said:
Like I've stated, you don't like it, don't go. There are plenty of things the public doesn't like, but have to put up with. Like, child abuse, wife abuse and so on.
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And like I’ve stated already, I don’t go and once again you are right that there are plenty of things the public doesn’t like and the ones that are close to their hearts people will always speak up about and thank goodness since that’s how positive change comes about
 
Now, can we get off of the rodeo stuff and get on with this thread?

Folks, rodeo will never/ever stop and contestants are winning millions of dollars and thousands of people in America attend rodeo's each year. Apparently there are thousands of people in America that are "jerks"...…….that is, according to one member.
 
Keesha said:
And like I’ve stated already, I don’t go and once again you are right that there are plenty of things the public doesn’t like and the ones that are close to their hearts people will always speak up about and thank goodness since that’s how positive change comes about
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Positive change? Rodeo will never stop, no matter who complains about it. I'll guarantee that. I was doing it long enough, I know.
 
Keesha said:
Yes your posts are just dripping with sensitivity. 🙄
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I'm sensitive to some movies, but when it comes to other things, like when I handled a rope and caught a steer for my "heeler", I'm doing it for the money. When I put rings in piglets noses, to stop them from rooting, the word "sensitivity" definitely wasn't on my mind. Running a farm and handling livestock was isn't "sensitivity".

Again, what about those little 4-H and FFA kids that use a wooden stick to guide their hogs in a show ring? A horse trainer using a Lunge Whip to train a horse?
 
Your PRCA post does not explain why what I said below is allowed. Can you actually say those calves and bucking horses are not being abused? And those videos I posted are not from PETA, they were posted by rodeo loving insensitives like you.

From my post #134=
And how do you explain how these calves are jerked up in the air and slammed to the ground, they're lucky if their neck doesn't break.
 
ClassicRockr said:
Now, can we get off of the rodeo stuff and get on with this thread?
Folks, rodeo will never/ever stop and contestants are winning millions of dollars and thousands of people in America attend rodeo's each year. Apparently there are thousands of people in America that are "jerks"...…….that is, according to one member.
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And THAT is why it's allowed, because it's BIG money and plenty of people are getting their hands greased to look the other way.
 
Plus you defeated your debating point ClassicRockr.

You state that the only videos being shown are from the PRCA which apparently doesn’t really count and then go on to say how the rodeos will never stop or change. According to your post #132 the Tie Down Roping is no longer legal thanks to the PRCA getting involved so YES people complaining about such barbaric sportsmanship makes a difference. Changes were made because overly sensitive people cared.
 

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