What is wrong with these people? (Christmas decoration vandalism)

Totally agree with you Butterfly the exact same system works here in the UK..excuses for all their bad behaviour and minimal jail time if any for those who do get sent down, then half the time when they get released they're given new identities and woe betide anyone who reveals their whereabouts.....it's appalling.
 

"Nobody is held personally responsible for anything anymore"

Very true...It is Always "societies fault". Well, the last time I checked, people create their "society", and if they condone acts of stupidity and irresponsibility, They are the Culprits. Every time one of these young brats is caught, their parents claim he was a Little Angel, yet most of the time the facts show that he has had repeated problems in school and with the law. But, on the flip side, if a parent does give the brat some meaningful discipline and warms his butt enough to get the brats attention, some do-gooder neighbor reports the crying brat to the police, and the parent is brought up on charges of child abuse.

Then, there is the increasing problem of so many of these kids being raised in dysfunctional homes. In one of his campaign stops, back in 2007, Obama was asked by a member of the audience "Why is there such an increase in Crime in the Minority neighborhoods". With no hesitation, Obama replied "The total breakdown of the Black Family". Recent statistics indicate that 70% of the young Black children are being born to single mothers. The number among Whites is also increasing. Many of these kids grow up never knowing for sure who their father really is....much less receiving the guidance and discipline that a traditional family environment would generally supply. A single woman, faced with having to support herself and her kids, with little or no support from the father, has 2 strikes against her, and many of those kids wind up being raised on the "Streets".
 
Butterfly said:
Yeah, but too often the little darlings don't go to jail. They get off (if they're ever caught) because they had a bad childhood or some such crap. Nobody is held personally responsible for anything anymore -- and that's at least a big part of what causes the problem.

In my neighborhood this weekend there was a rash of tire slashings -- all four tires in some cases. Many people who live in this area are older and on fixed incomes, and many can't afford a new set of tires. So the little darlings have imposed a great hardship on this folks by effectively taking away their transportation. The little darlings need to be taught a sense of respect for other people's property. This kind of stuff makes me mad as hell.

And as to abusing animals -- I agree with those above. Those creeps deserve no mercy at all. . And when they graduate to killing people, everyone will say "we never saw any signs of violence -- he was such a good boy."
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True but the answer isn't to make someone else pay for their crime -- they should pay for their crime themselves. Stop going soft on THEM. I feel your pain, I could hear someone going up and down the street smashing headlights and called the cops -- who never responded. I didn't stay in that neighborhood because the cops didn't do their job. I lived by a college campus between two frat houses, lot of student apartments and a bar. When I was young, people went inside to party and the drinking age was 18. Now it was 21 and these college students -- many under 21 -- were out in the open on the front lawns partying -- drinking and smoking dope -- and the patrol cars would just roll by ignoring it. Then had the nerve to hang fliers on our doors with a line to call for underaged drinking. I laughed at that because I'd called countless times on it only to have it ignored. It seemed to me that the number was just so they could transfer the calls away from 911 and their responsibility to take "immediate" action. Maybe we need to hold COPS responsible!!! There's an idea.

Don M. said:
"Nobody is held personally responsible for anything anymore"

Very true...It is Always "societies fault". Well, the last time I checked, people create their "society", and if they condone acts of stupidity and irresponsibility, They are the Culprits. Every time one of these young brats is caught, their parents claim he was a Little Angel, yet most of the time the facts show that he has had repeated problems in school and with the law. But, on the flip side, if a parent does give the brat some meaningful discipline and warms his butt enough to get the brats attention, some do-gooder neighbor reports the crying brat to the police, and the parent is brought up on charges of child abuse.

Then, there is the increasing problem of so many of these kids being raised in dysfunctional homes. In one of his campaign stops, back in 2007, Obama was asked by a member of the audience "Why is there such an increase in Crime in the Minority neighborhoods". With no hesitation, Obama replied "The total breakdown of the Black Family". Recent statistics indicate that 70% of the young Black children are being born to single mothers. The number among Whites is also increasing. Many of these kids grow up never knowing for sure who their father really is....much less receiving the guidance and discipline that a traditional family environment would generally supply. A single woman, faced with having to support herself and her kids, with little or no support from the father, has 2 strikes against her, and many of those kids wind up being raised on the "Streets".
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Oh, please. I raised my daughter alone. I was stricter than most two-parent households we knew. How about we stop demonizing single mothers (I note you said mothers and not parents which is extremely sexist) and start demonizing parents who don't do right by their kids? How about we stop having a stigma on not having kids? On giving kids up for adoption? Because an unwanted child is far better off put up for adoption than raised by a parent or parents that don't want it. Every child should be wanted. However, if you want personal responsibility than the person responsible -- the one doing the crime in the case you proposed, the teens committing the crime are the ones who should be held personally responsible for their crime not their parents. In fact, it'd be far more effective to send a message that maybe your parents will let you get away with it but we won't rather than mad at your parents, here's how you get 'em but good.
 

I don't see that in Don's post at all Blaze. Men don't have babies, well, I guess that's changing now, but men take over the care if the mother is unfit or unwilling. I mean that is how the courts usually call it? I'm not saying that is always the right way to call it.
 
nwlady said:
I don't see that in Don's post at all Blaze. Men don't have babies, well, I guess that's changing now, but men take over the care if the mother is unfit or unwilling. I mean that is how the courts usually call it? I'm not saying that is always the right way to call it.
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Um, it takes two people to make a baby unless a woman went to a sperm bank which isn't what he's talking about unless you're agreeing with the stereotype that most of us single mothers don't even know who baby daddy is when that's the minority of cases, not the majority. There's a lot of assumptions about single mothers in his post. I raised my child alone -- no welfare, no child support -- and I resent his negative stereotype of single mothers. A child is better off with one good parent than with one good parent and one parent that inflicts harm. I'd even go so far as to state loud and clear that if you allow the other parent to harm your child, you are not a good parent. I broke the law to stop him and I'd do it all over again. The ideal is two good parents but that all too often is not the reality, and gender has absolutely nothing to do with it. I can't for the life of me understand carrying a baby in your womb and then having utterly no maternal instinct but all you have to do is read the news to realize there are women who do carry a baby to term and are the opposite of nurturing. Likewise, there are men lacking paternal instincts.
 
His statement says that many are born to single mothers, which I believe to be true. How many fathers are standing there ready to scoop up the baby? More single women, divorced, widowed, raise their children then men, I believe that, but don't know the stats.

The rest of your stuff doesn't even pertain to what I said.
 
I think if we'd stop just coddling young offenders who've "had a bad childhood" and impose some meaningful consequences (and follow through on those consequences), that would be a step in the right direction. I do not subscribe to the theory that having a bad childhood is an excuse for illegal or destructive behavior. And certainly cruelty to animals is a big signal that something is VERY wrong (Jeff Dahmer, anyone??). And, as long as I am on a rant, I'm sick and tired of hearing parents say "he was a good boy" when he had a rap sheet a mile long. Good boys do not have rap sheets a mile long.

And how 'bout parents actually SUPERVISING their children for a change? What a novel idea! The parents of those Columbine shooters had no idea the boys were stockpiling weapons and building bombs in their garages! Believe me, if my kids had been building bombs in MY garage, I'd have known about it -- but then, I actually believed it was my job as a parent to be aware of what my kids were doing.
 
I agree Butterfly, I know I got to the age where I had to decide if I was going to carry on some of the family legacy, or was I going to break the chain. I am glad to say my younger bro and I both took the right road. I have a nephew that had a hard childhood, now he's only 22, and been in jail. He'll have to choose as well. I am sorry to say he was quite proud of all the body-building he did in jail. Nothing at all said about learning his lesson:(
 
Butterfly said:
I think if we'd stop just coddling young offenders who've "had a bad childhood" and impose some meaningful consequences (and follow through on those consequences), that would be a step in the right direction. I do not subscribe to the theory that having a bad childhood is an excuse for illegal or destructive behavior. And certainly cruelty to animals is a big signal that something is VERY wrong (Jeff Dahmer, anyone??). And, as long as I am on a rant, I'm sick and tired of hearing parents say "he was a good boy" when he had a rap sheet a mile long. Good boys do not have rap sheets a mile long.

And how 'bout parents actually SUPERVISING their children for a change? What a novel idea! The parents of those Columbine shooters had no idea the boys were stockpiling weapons and building bombs in their garages! Believe me, if my kids had been building bombs in MY garage, I'd have known about it -- but then, I actually believed it was my job as a parent to be aware of what my kids were doing.
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Right on! I had a bad childhood. All it served to do was make me determined to be a better person than my parents.

And, yeah, I knew what my daughter was doing and I'd have known if she was doing something like that even if I was a single mother. (rolls eyes)
 

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