What is your personal conception of "Sin"?

Gaer

Gaer

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Not defined from a dictionary, or from your religion; How would YOU define "SIN" ?

I would consider "SIN" to be a straying from the path of the soul's evolution.
IMO, No "SIN" exists in the absolute, or in the higher worlds.
This is a man-made, Earthly, moral deviation.
The soul punishes himself and society establishes the criteria.
This is what you perceive as "not right action".
This could be performing an action which you think might hurt another soul.
"SIN", IMO, is a pre-planned action from the lowest function of the human mind
and keeps the mind in the lowest consciousness level.
This is not a natural movement of the soul or the mind and exists
only in the field of the relative.

This is my personal perception of "SIN". What is yours?
 

I was thinking of something you wrote above, which is:
"SIN", IMO, is a pre-planned action from the lowest function of the human mind
and keeps the mind in the lowest consciousness level.

I agree, one must be aware of what they are doing in order for it to be called 'sin' or 'evil'
 
Pepper said:
I was thinking of something you wrote above, which is:
"SIN", IMO, is a pre-planned action from the lowest function of the human mind
and keeps the mind in the lowest consciousness level.

I agree, one must be aware of what they are doing in order for it to be called 'sin' or 'evil'
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i disagree with that. mostly because there are times when people are mentally ill and they sin without even knowing because they're not always aware of the things they do.

i do think sin is a personal choice. if you do it, it's because you chose to do it even though you knew it was wrong. except in the case of those who genuinely don't have the mental capabilities to know the difference between right and wrong.
 

My definition of "sin" is those who engage in criminal activity, and those who think the world Owes Them a Living. I believe that a person should lead a responsible life, and not become a burden to society. The sole exemption might be those who are mentally disabled....But, they should be seeking treatment.
 
MarciKS said:
i disagree with that. mostly because there are times when people are mentally ill and they sin without even knowing because they're not always aware of the things they do.

i do think sin is a personal choice. if you do it, it's because you chose to do it even though you knew it was wrong. except in the case of those who genuinely don't have the mental capabilities to know the difference between right and wrong.
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Oh, I know I'm going to mess this up!

There was a story of a preacher who went to a remote village to tell of his religion.
He spoke about what happens to you when you sin. and how you should not sin.
He talked about the evils of Hell.
The villager asked "If I sin, will I go to Hell?"
The minister said, "No, Not if you didn't know any better.
Not if you didn't know you were sinning."
The villager said, "Then why did you tell me?"

I guess what I'm trying to say is, how could any action performed by one without mental capabilities
be considered sin? To him, sin doesn't exist. There is no sin.
IMO.
 
There’s a feeling I get when I do something against what I believe in my heart to be the right thing. I can’t ignore it, or pretend it’s not there. If I go against that feeling Then as far as I’m concerned I’ve sinned.

Im not talking about things I do that I know are right, but even so they make me sad or uncomfortable or I wish I didn’t have to. Not that stuff. I’m talking about what I know in my heart is the right thing to do and then I don’t do it.

It doesn’t have to be a sin in anyone else’s eyes. Just in mine. I can do something that in someone else’s eyes, even the police, the government, the church, IS a sin, is wrong, but if I think it’s the right thing to do, then I’m not sinning, I may be punished for it or go to jail for it, but that still doesn’t make it a sin unless *I* think it is.

For me it comes down to personal choice and responsibility, and doing the right thing as I see it.
 
This "sin" thing really messed with my mind as a kidling...
The preacher and sunday school teachers would talk about
it all the time...and esp how I would go to hell for even thinking the wrong things....so I didn't like church or preachers for a long time....this kind of stuff was prob what helped me develope into a drunken alcoholic...Then in 1982, God gave me a personal
revalation and I've been sober ever since...and don't need the
church buildings......
 
Man needs a straightforward moral code to live by and IMO no better one exists than the teachings of Jesus found in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Jesus also endorsed the Ten Commandments given to Moses by God. These are spiritual guidelines that benefit the spiritual evolution of the soul, and many of them have been made into Earthly laws that govern the physical behavior of the body. Without these laws, there would be even more chaos on Earth. So I agree with Thomas Jefferson, who didn't belong to any church and didn't endorse any religion, but said "The teachings of Jesus Christ offer the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man."
 
What goes around comes around. Sin is what you don't want to
come around, but like Karma or water it will come around and find its lowest level.
 
Celebrate the happiness of others and help them shoulder the hard times, do this and you'll be golden.
[Guess I wanted to define it in positive terms rather than negative.]
 
Gaer said:
Oh, I know I'm going to mess this up!

There was a story of a preacher who went to a remote village to tell of his religion.
He spoke about what happens to you when you sin. and how you should not sin.
He talked about the evils of Hell.
The villager asked "If I sin, will I go to Hell?"
The minister said, "No, Not if you didn't know any better.
Not if you didn't know you were sinning."
The villager said, "Then why did you tell me?"

I guess what I'm trying to say is, how could any action performed by one without mental capabilities
be considered sin? To him, sin doesn't exist. There is no sin.
IMO.
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hmm...ok let's try this...you're telling me that you don't think sin exists. right?
what about the children who are molested every day?
what about all the women that are raped every day?
what about all the people who are murdered every day?
what about things like gossiping about coworkers and destroying their rep so they can never have a chance to get along with coworkers?
what about stealing?
none of these are sins? (please note i'm not angry or anything. just discussing. :))
 
sin exists. we know the difference between right and wrong. it's our choice to do either/or. i try to make conscious choices every day to do the right thing regardless of what anyone else thinks. at the end of the day i want to know that i did what i could to be a good person. christian or otherwise. i don't even think you have to be christian in order to care about doing the right thing. imo sin still exists whether someone knows the difference or not.
 
I don't have a personal conception of sin because I don't believe in organized religion. Sin is something that is taught by the evangelicals. In what other context would you hear "sin"? I believe in morality, which makes me strive to be a better person.
 
MarciKS said:
hmm...ok let's try this...you're telling me that you don't think sin exists. right?
what about the children who are molested every day?
what about all the women that are raped every day?
what about all the people who are murdered every day?
what about things like gossiping about coworkers and destroying their rep so they can never have a chance to get along with coworkers?
what about stealing?
none of these are sins? (please note i'm not angry or anything. just discussing. :))
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No, "TO HIM, sin doesn't exist."
Please read my first post again. I think, In the field of eternal, unbounded, unlimited vastness of pure existence, pure Being, pure intelligence,
there exists no sin. In the field of relativity, this Earthbound existence, where we are not cosmically evolved, subject to constant change and erroneous action, while we are not in accord with the cosmic purpose, discord is created. Currents which are not in accordance with the natural evolution of the soul are in the atmosphere, are set in motion and all life is strained. Would you label this as sin? I would, because I still live on this fallible Earth. I'm sure I "sin" all the time and probably like it!
So, I was speaking of a higher world or a higher Heaven, where souls have evolved to a state where it's not possible for them to act other than in perfection not of this lowly world.

Haha! When i was a child, the Minister of my church said, "Either you believe and are baptized or you cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven."
I stood up on the pew and yelled out "That's not true!"
I was banished from attending church after that but, even at that age, (eight), I KNEW baptism was made to instill fear and bind people to the church. An innocent child who dies without Baptism goes right to the arms of his Lord. What if he dies during childbirth? Is he sent to Hell?
no!
So many things are taught in religions that are not of truth. This was made up by the religion to hold people to the church. IMO.

"Sin" is not punished by God. You punish yourself for your pre-planned moral deviation. Anything moral, truthful and virtuous is in accordance with the laws of nature. Any thought or action has far-reaching influence on the entire world and immediate consequence tot he sender's surroundings.
Sorry, Didn't mean to write a book here!

@MarciKS, Thanks for your intelligent and thought provoking input.
 
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Baptism was designed to instill fear? Hmmm....I was never afraid. I just wanted to do what the bible instructed.
 
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