What would happen if college was free for all students?

Just is in what is happening with schools right now, free college will have more admin than they need getting
paid way over what the teachers actually make and Professors who just put out the minimum of effort because they
have to follow a state mandated curriculum. Putting a free tag on it comes at a cost in many ways.
 
I think education is a must but not necessarily a college degree, I would love to see more emphasis on vocational training in the trades.

Making education free or at least affordable to all should be a societies goal, I truly believe a better educated person will always be more sucessful. Again I'm not talking strictly acedemic but pushing the trades as well.

How to make it free? Education thru work programs is one way, you work for a business and they pay to educate you.
 
For most students during the 1960s, art schools in England were effectively free. Following the Education Act 1962, the British government established a system where local education authorities (LEAs) were legally obligated to pay tuition fees for full-time students.

Here are 20 of the most famous musicians who emerged from the British art school system during that era. While many are associated with the London scene, the list includes a few influential figures from schools in Liverpool and Newcastle.
  1. John Lennon (Liverpool College of Art)
  2. Freddie Mercury (Ealing College of Art)
  3. David Bowie (Bromley School of Art)
  4. Eric Clapton (Kingston College of Art)
  5. Pete Townshend (Ealing College of Art)
  6. Keith Richards (Sidcup Art College)
  7. Jimmy Page (Sutton Art College)
  8. Syd Barrett (Camberwell College of Arts)
  9. Ray Davies (Hornsey College of Art)
  10. Ronnie Wood (Ealing College of Art)
  11. Bryan Ferry (Newcastle University Fine Art)
  12. Charlie Watts (Harrow Art School)
  13. Jeff Beck (Wimbledon College of Art)
  14. Ian Dury (Royal College of Art)
  15. John Cale (Goldsmiths College)
  16. Cat Stevens (Hammersmith School of Art)
  17. Joe Strummer (Central School of Art and Design)
  18. Stuart Sutcliffe (Liverpool College of Art)
  19. Nick Mason (Regent Street Polytechnic - Architecture/Art)
  20. Christine McVie (Moseley School of Art)
It’s interesting to note that many of these musicians credits art school—rather than music school—with giving them the creative freedom to "invent" their stage personas and experimental sounds.
 
C50 said:
I think education is a must but not necessarily a college degree, I would love to see more emphasis on vocational training in the trades.

Making education free or at least affordable to all should be a societies goal, I truly believe a better educated person will always be more sucessful. Again I'm not talking strictly acedemic but pushing the trades as well.

How to make it free? Education thru work programs is one way, you work for a business and they pay to educate you.
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All of this... 100%
 
C50 said:
How to make it free? Education thru work programs is one way, you work for a business and they pay to educate you.
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We used to call that "apprenticeship". (industry-driven, paid training programs combining on-the-job learning with classroom instruction), offering a path to high-skilled, high-demand careers with no debt.

That no debt at the end is most important.
 
IMO the standards would be lowered to accommodate the worst students and it would have little or no value.

I would favor some sort of scheme where students could receive a rebate or reimbursement to pay off loans depending on their grades and successful completion of a degree program.
 
I just don't know how to look at it. For really good but poor students free colleges are necessary. But for sons and daughters of rich people I don't see the necessity. Some months ago we had a chat with a woman we know for decades. She complained that her granddaughter has to pay for her study of medicine at a private university. I was angry and would have liked telling this to her. Her parents are very rich, have a large property and a large house, her mother is a physician with her own office and her father is a technician who is working for the medical field. Both earn more than a lot of money and the grandmother complains.
I would have liked to ask her what about students who have better school grades but can't afford a private university?
 
squatting dog said:
We used to call that "apprenticeship". (industry-driven, paid training programs combining on-the-job learning with classroom instruction), offering a path to high-skilled, high-demand careers with no debt.

That no debt at the end is most important.
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Yes to apprentiship programs, how I started my machining career.

I eventually became part owner in a business and we had an open offer to pay for any work related classes, academic or vocational. Over the years I only had a couple of employees take advantage of it, one of the reasons being people thought they should be able to take classes during the day, skipping work. There were times I would send employees to a class during the days for a quick course, but not for full semesters or progams, no business does that. When I did my apprentiship I went to night classes twice a week for two years, and was happy for the opportunity.
 
Whether these free universities were supported by state or federal taxes or both, I'm 100% certain they'd be wonderful institutions of learning if we eliminated all unnecessary and redundant government spending.

If we got rid of a few redundant or useless federal agencies, like the EDD, which currently only deals with temporary seasonal employment and hands out SNAP and EBT applications, and the Dept of Ag, which serves exactly the same functions as other agricultural programs, I bet the tax dollars they get every year could support at least two free universities in every state. And they'd be modern, high-standard, and generally awesome.
 
@squatting dog and @C50

Apprenticeship programs still exist. Most of them are related to every aspect of construction, but technology-related apprenticeship programs are exploding.

But there are a lot fewer than there were, say, 40-50yrs ago. I think most of the current ones are through workers unions.
 
Free school lunches (and breakfasts in many places), free school supplies, free college, and that's the short list, not to mention more, or larger, colleges to accommodate increased enrollment. Where is all this funding going to come from? Medicare / Medicaid cuts?
 
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