What Young People Can't Do

fmdog44

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You probably won't believe this but here goes. Today I was filling bottles at the swimming pool because we are working pipe repairs. Next to me was an elderly lady with a teenage helper to carry the water. I overheard her explain to him three times how to fill a bottle from the pool and heard her say more than once, "no-no -no." As I got up to leave I saw her take the bottle from him and submerge it herself to fill as she explained, "hold it upright and keep it under water until the bubbles stop." I guess he should have gone to his ell phone and looked up "How to fill a bottle with water" somewhere in social media. God help us.
 

I'm willing to bet that it's not the first time in this kid's life that someone has lost patience and not allowed him to figure things out for himself.

Give him the bottles show him the pool and tell him the end result that you are looking for then walk away and let him figure it out.

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Think I might have told this tale before. Amnesia, it goes with the territory, but I do remember it occurred before lockdown.
Next door's teenager is sweating over his homework, it's mathematics, something that he is quite good at. His mother came round and asked me if I could remember the binary system. Of course I do. In mathematics, a binary number is a number expressed in the base-2 numeral system or binary numeral system, which uses only two symbols: typically "0" and "1".

"Thank goodness for that," she said, "can you come round and help?" Mother was impressed that I still had my school mathematics book. I took it with me and had a look at the homework. Normally the lad is very good, he's as sharp as a tack. My guess was that he wasn't paying attention. After explaining his homework, he quickly grasped the problem. We did a few more from my own book, just to be sure that he was on the right track.

"What's the point of it?" He asked. "Have you ever seen one of those old films where the tape with holes is coming out of a machine?" I answered. He concurred that he had. "Those holes are binary but instead of "0" & "1" you have hole & no hole. You can also call Morse code binary, there the zero and one becomes dot and dash. But when I said that pulse, no pulse was the basis of a computer system a light came on. Now binary had just become cool.

"If you are so smart," he said, rather cheekily, "how come I had to set up your cell phone for you?" "That's a very good question," I replied, as I gathered my book and went back home.
 
There was a hilarious video a while back showing 2 teens totally baffled by a phone with a rotary dial.
We still have the same phone, rotary dial of course, that we were issued with in 1968. When our nationalised phone system was privatised I asked if I could buy our phone. For some reason the company calls the phone hand set an appliance. It cost a nominal, one pound. It's still in use although we have a modern phone connected to it, discretely out of sight. Reason for that is, on an old phone you can't see the number of the incoming call and when you dial out and hear one of those voice menus, our phone has difficulty with that too. The voice will say:
"Press one for the money, two for the show," do that on a rotary dial and you cut yourself off.
 
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One skill that’s been totally lost for young folks is the ability to count change back from a purchase; likewise, more young cashiers have difficulty if the sale is $9.78 and you hand the a 10 dollar bill and three pennies
 
It is not just young people....... i run into others many times that simply cannot pull off what i thought was the most simple task........
counting change..... adapting to different pin pads that take credit/ debit payments can send some over the edge....

Do not get me started on the Many who cannot decipher a sale that is a % off...... read and comprehend or remember more then one task at a time....
 
It is not just young people....... i run into others many times that simply cannot pull off what i thought was the most simple task........
counting change..... adapting to different pin pads that take credit/ debit payments can send some over the edge....

Do not get me started on the Many who cannot decipher a sale that is a % off...... read and comprehend or remember more then one task at a time....
I have a terrible time with fractions, decimals, geometry. My mind simply does not work in that manner. 🙂
 
I have a terrible time with fractions, decimals, geometry. My mind simply does not work in that manner. 🙂
That often comes down to how it has been taught. My niece had much the same difficulty. Fractions mean part of. so if you see the number one and the number four with a horizontal line between them it means one fourth or, a quarter. That came across as gibberish to her and I empathised, so I cut a donut into four equal parts and explained that each part was a fraction. She then said that she understood but nobody had ever taken the time, nor had the patience, to explain. Just to be sure, I said to her that she must answer my question without thinking about it. I asked her, "What's a quarter of one pound?" "Twenty five pence," she said, triumphantly. There you go.
 
That often comes down to how it has been taught. My niece had much the same difficulty. Fractions mean part of. so if you see the number one and the number four with a horizontal line between them it means one fourth or, a quarter. That came across as gibberish to her and I empathised, so I cut a donut into four equal parts and explained that each part was a fraction. She then said that she understood but nobody had ever taken the time, nor had the patience, to explain. Just to be sure, I said to her that she must answer my question without thinking about it. I asked her, "What's a quarter of one pound?" "Twenty five pence," she said, triumphantly. There you go.
You know, you may very well be right. Thank you.
 
Why is it YOU say I don't know them?! I have lived here for 18 years. They both live here. I know he is not impaired (can't say the same about you).
I'm impaired. Thanks for noticing.

Didn't know you knew them as you didn't say and I don't read minds anymore since my impairment.
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I have a terrible time with fractions, decimals, geometry. My mind simply does not work in that manner. 🙂
While working (as a metal worker ) I had to teach many of the alleged high school graduates, how to manipulate fractions mentally.. after first teaching them how to read a tape measure.

That said I once had to teach the decimal system, and how to interpret blue prints to an older clerk.

Some teachers, parents and their school systems are gigantic failures in some (many) cases.

Enjoy!
 
While working (as a metal worker ) I had to teach many of the alleged high school graduates, how to manipulate fractions mentally.. after first teaching them how to read a tape measure.

That said I once had to teach the decimal system, and how to interpret blue prints to an older clerk.

Some teachers, parents and their school systems are gigantic failures in some (many) cases.

Enjoy!
Good of you to teach them. Fortunately, as a therapist, my difficulties in math are not an impediment. It’s weird though, I can add, subtract, multiply and divide in my head. Introduce the spatial stuff yikes, brain freeze. . Lol.
 
You probably won't believe this but here goes. Today I was filling bottles at the swimming pool because we are working pipe repairs. Next to me was an elderly lady with a teenage helper to carry the water. I overheard her explain to him three times how to fill a bottle from the pool and heard her say more than once, "no-no -no." As I got up to leave I saw her take the bottle from him and submerge it herself to fill as she explained, "hold it upright and keep it under water until the bubbles stop." I guess he should have gone to his ell phone and looked up "How to fill a bottle with water" somewhere in social media. God help us.
So what was the kid doing? Putting the bottle top-first under the water and puzzling over why the bottle wasn't filling up?
 
Critical thinking skills seem to become more rare as time passes. Allied with that is the notion that people, in a way like airplane pilots, seem operate more and more on autopilot. I once gave a lecture on critical business thinking to a roomful of very senior executives. Challenging them to solve a simple problem, I suggested that (a) at least 90% would get it wrong. I told them to write down their answers and not blurt it out. The problem was as follows:

A car traverses a 1 mile track at a constant 30 miles per hour. At what speed must the car go on a 2nd lap to average 60 mph for the 2 laps.

Easy, right? Well, right away, one of the big cheeses blurted out, "That's simple! The answer is 90!" I asked that everyone turn in their answers. Then, that rather, self-assured individual got quite upset when I told him he was wrong. He said, "Oh, come on, everyone knows the average of 30 and 90 is 60." He got even more upset when I said "Not in this case." The audience was even more taken aback when I told them that only two other people got the right answer. I explained that they hadn't thought about the other (than speed) major variable in the problem - time. To average 60 mph, which is a mile a minute, you have to do the two laps in two minutes. Unfortunately, running the first 1 mile lap at 30 mph used 2 minutes, making it impossible to ever reach the 60 mph average for two laps, regardles of fast you went on the 2nd lap. You could theoretically approach infinite speed on the second lap but never make it since the two minutes had already elapsed on the first lap. Thus, I introduced the idea of critically thinking about the hidden variables in business considerations, one of which is time.

I never got invited back to address that group. The folks who put the meeting together said I embarrassed those executives and they didn't like it. It should be noted that this problem is a good way to first introduce a student to Calculus if not a group of hide-bound executives to critical thinking.
 
With respect, it is possible to employ critical thinking without having an affinity for math problems. How else would I have been able to get a PhD? Lol
IMHO, critical thinking has little to do with math and more to do with identifying hidden or obscure variables, "gotchas" and other things that could affect outcomes. If math is needed, bring in a math person.
 


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