Whats with this canonized as a saint.

Davey Jones

Davey Jones

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If you feel like it is odd that Pope John Paul II was the head of the Catholic Church only 9 years ago, and that he is already getting canonized as a saint, you are exactly right.


Others wonder if the fast-tracked approach is “taking some of the shine” off of sainthood, as Patricia Miller of Religion Dispatches argues. “The benefit of the church’s traditional slow march to sainthood was that it removed the canonization of any individual from the politics of any particular papacy,” she wrote in a post. “You really had to stand the test of time to be made a saint in the Catholic Church.”

When I was growing up it took years and years for one to become a saint. What the heck is happening to my old and fogotten church?
 

Looks like it's going to hell in a handbasket. I thought it was weird too, even made a snide comment to my husband about the altar boys. I was raised a Catholic, and I am really so far removed from the church now, it's not funny. And I'm not alone.
 
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I didn't leave the Church; it left me. The Church waited, what, 1300 years before it decided that charging interest on money lent wasn't a mortal sin? Then there's birth control, married priests and nuns, divorce...some things that NEED to change never will. Or at least they won't in our lifetime. But it was REAL IMPORTANT to change the Mass from Latin to English. Silly.

Pope John Paul will be known as the nine-year saint. The Church can and will fast-track whatever looks like good PR, but it will drag its feet regarding things that really matter to the faithful.

So why don't I join another church? JMHO, but when you're born Catholic you can no more change it than you can change the color of your skin or the location of your birth.

Oops. When the subject has anything to do with the Church, it gets my Irish up;)

Back to our regularly-scheduled programming. Rant over!
 
After my birth, my mother had me baptized in the Catholic chapel of the San Francisco Hospital, the day before we were released. Then my father baptized me in his Baptist church, at the age of seven. So I grew up very confused as to what I thought God was going to do with me. Now I'm an agnostic. :weird:
 
To satisfy the in-laws of2 religions
I got married (small ceremony) in the Catholic Church,then a week later by the Justice of the Peace.
All was quiet till the 3 kids were born....
THEN we baptized them as Catholics and a week later with a Methodist baptism.
Today as adults my kids can marry anyway they want and I could give a damn what religion they choose for their kids.
 
I quit believing in gods when I got old enough to read the bible for myself. I've often wondered though why some other religious groups don't have saints. It doesn't seem fair that only catholics get to have saints.
 
I was baptized Catholic, communion, confirmation, the whole nine yards. We just went to a justice of the peace to get married, neither of us was interested in a church wedding at all.
 
Without overstating the issue my opinion is that the catholic church is too hierarchical and inherently sexist. Take a look at the list of recent saints and you will see that overwhelmingly most are male and priests. Some of them have been inspirational examples of humility and service to the poor and down trodden and thus worthy of being held up as examples of Christian commitment but where are the women? Where are the lay men?

It took about 70 years for an Australian nun, who was an extraordinary woman, to be recognised, yet the first non Italian pope in recent times was recognised in just 9 years, even with the spectre of protection of child abusing priests hanging over the Vatican.

John Paul II was an extremely conservative pope and IMO was an obstacle to the reformation of the Catholic church. I think it would have been much wiser to put his elevation on ice for at least a quarter of a century to allow dispassionate assessment of his life and papacy.

To me a Saint (with a capital S) is someone who can be held up before the people as an example to inspire others. Someone who clarifies and personifies Christian values. The only thing I can think of with regard to JP II is the way he forgave the man who tried to assassinate him. Given that he was so good at PR I would want this act examined carefully against his general actions to make sure it was forgiveness granted at a deep level and not just something done for appearance sake. It has to be more than an empty, surface gesture. That's why time is so important.
 
The only Canons I am interested in is my,
Canon 500D and my Canon 600D :eek:nthego:
Wether I go up or down I will meet some one I know.:cool:
 
I think canonisation is silly, no one, not even the best of humans, is worthy of sainthood, certainly not popes. John23rd was probably the best pope there has ever been.
 
Saint is just a word invented by the catholic church. Calling someone a saint doesn't make them any better or worse. I saw on the news that the catholic church is not sure exactly how many saints there are. Something over 3,000 they say. Can any of you name them? I'm thinking about making my own list of saints.
 
rkunsaw said:
Saint is just a word invented by the catholic church. Calling someone a saint doesn't make them any better or worse. I saw on the news that the catholic church is not sure exactly how many saints there are. Something over 3,000 they say. Can any of you name them? I'm thinking about making my own list of saints.
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Is Jusus a saint? Well he should be,I think.
 

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