When Medicaid Comes After the Family Home

Lethe200

Senior Member
Interesting that there was no bi-partisan support for Schakowsky's bill; you'd think this is an issue that crosses political boundaries. I guess that's the way it goes these days, in Congress.

When Medicaid Comes After the Family Home
Federal law requires states to seek reimbursement from the assets, usually homes, of people who died after receiving benefits for long-term care.
NY Times 16Mar2024

The letter came from the state department of human services in July 2021. It expressed condolences for the loss of the recipient’s mother, who had died a few weeks earlier at 88.

Then it explained that the deceased had incurred a Medicaid debt of more than $77,000 and provided instructions on how to repay the money. “I was stunned,” said the woman’s 62-year-old daughter. At first, she thought the letter might be some sort of scam. It wasn’t.

She asked not to be identified, because the case is unresolved and she doesn’t want to jeopardize her chances of getting the bill reduced. The New York Times has reviewed documentation substantiating her account.

The daughter moved into the family’s Midwestern home years earlier, when her widowed mother, who had vascular dementia, began to need assistance. Her mother was well insured, with Medicare, a private supplemental “Medigap” policy and long-term care insurance. The only reason she enrolled in Medicaid was that she had signed up for a state program that allowed her daughter to receive modest payments for caregiving.

But that triggered additional monthly charges through a Medicaid managed care organization, and now the state wants that money back.

The practice dates to 1993, when Congress mandated that when Medicaid beneficiaries over age 55 have used long-term services, such as nursing homes or home care, states must try to recover those expenses from the beneficiaries’ estates after their deaths. “Medicaid requires beneficiaries to spend down almost all their assets” to qualify for benefits, explained Eric Carlson, a directing attorney at Justice in Aging.

Most states allow those eligible for Medicaid to retain assets worth only $2,000. But if a beneficiary owns a home, it can be exempt. Still, if Medicaid has paid for long-term care and there’s money to be had after death, state agencies will come for the assets.

“If there’s going to be tens of thousands of dollars available for recovery, in most cases, it’s the house,” Mr. Carlson said. Surviving family members may have to sell the house to repay Medicaid, as the Midwestern daughter may be forced to do, or the state may seize the property.

Medicaid “is the only public benefit program from the United States of America that requires states to seek to get money back,” said Representative Jan Schakowsky, Democrat of Illinois. This month she reintroduced a bill, the Stop Unfair Medicaid Recoveries Act, to end the practice.

Her staff has calculated that 17,000 families in Illinois alone have lost homes to Medicaid recovery since 2021. Comparable national figures aren’t available, but an independent agency that advises the federal government and states on Medicaid issues reported in 2021 that states collected $733 million through estate recovery in the fiscal year of 2019.

That amounts to only about one half of a percent of Medicaid’s long-term-care expenditures, according to the agency, MACPAC, the Medicaid and CHIP Payment and Access Commission. Only eight states collected more than 1 percent of expenditures.

“This is a really harmful and cruel program,” Ms. Schakowsky said. “And it’s not working. The cost of actually trying to get the money could exceed any money that would be returned.”

When Congress established the mandate, proponents argued that estate recovery would save money and promote fairness, since some higher-income seniors hired lawyers to help shield their assets so that Medicaid would pay their nursing home bills.

But for the most part, the states pursue claims against low-income families, many of them Black and Hispanic. Critics argue that the policy perpetuates poverty. The average wealth of deceased Medicaid recipients over age 65 is less than $45,000, the MACPAC report noted, and the average home equity is $27,364.

“For a lot of these people, the home is a product of a lifetime’s worth of working and scrimping,” Mr. Carlson said. “It could be a foundation for their children and grandchildren. That’s pulled away from the family under these claims. It imposes recovery against the families and communities least able to pay it.”

(A surviving spouse or minor or disabled child can continue to live in the house after a Medicaid beneficiary dies, but after the survivors die, or after a child turns 21, estate recovery can proceed.)

Every state offers hardship waivers that reduce claims, but “the process tends to be difficult or futile,” Mr. Carlson said. “Depending on the state, the request is almost always unsuccessful.”

“I don’t think estate recovery was a policy created primarily to impact low-income families, but that’s the impact it’s having,” said Natalie Kean, another directing attorney at Justice in Aging.

Estate recovery can also affect middle-class families, however. Many turn to Medicaid because, given the cost of nursing homes (the median price last year was $8,669 a month), “your savings can disappear in a hurry,” Mr. Carlson said.

Brian Snell, an elder law attorney in Marblehead, Mass., represents a family whose 93-year-old mother, who had dementia, died in 2022 at her condo in North Andover. Her daughter had cut back on her hours as a beautician to care for her at home, wanting to keep her out of a nursing home because “that was her mother’s wish,” Mr. Snell said.

When the mother qualified for MassHealth, the state Medicaid program, it enrolled her in a state home care program that provided home health aides (though only sporadically, because the pandemic made workers and agencies hesitant to enter homes).

After her death, MassHealth sought to recover $292,000 for the cost of home care and the program premiums. Because two of her children were low-income, including the caregiving daughter, a state waiver would allow those two to receive $50,000 each from the sale of the mother’s condo. But more than half of the $335,000 sales price will go to the state and federal governments.

The prospect of such clawbacks prevents some low-income older adults from receiving necessary care, even if they’re eligible. “It’s not uncommon for people to simply decline to apply for Medicaid services once they learn about the recovery program,” said Matthew Portwood, an intake supervisor at the Atlanta Regional Commission, which serves as the local agency on aging, in an email. “Our counselors encounter this almost daily.”

Some states are working to reduce the financial hit on low-income families. Massachusetts, Georgia, South Carolina and Illinois, for instance, will not pursue recovery against estates valued below $25,000. Some states now provide applicants with fuller explanations of the consequences of signing up.

California allows hardship waivers for a “homestead of modest value,” defined as a market value of up to half the average price of homes in the county. MACPAC recommended amending federal law to allow states to make recovery optional.

Representative Schakowsky’s bill goes beyond that to prohibit Medicaid estate recovery altogether. “It’s just a terrible idea,” she said.

Her bill faces an uphill battle in the Republican-controlled House — all its 13 co-sponsors to date are Democrats — and it went nowhere when she introduced it last session. But the congresswoman remains optimistic: People in red states need long-term care, too.

Back in the Midwest, the daughter who was billed $77,000 still hopes to remain in the two-story house where she grew up, where her mother lived for more than 60 years and where “there’s a memory in every corner.” Now she is looking for a lawyer. “I have to fight this,” she said.
 

When you have to compromise to get legislation enacted, things, like this particular part of the Medicaid Act, is what you get.
Can't have it look like someone gets a free ride. But, of course, those in the know, have a work around.
 

Interesting that there was no bi-partisan support for Schakowsky's bill; you'd think this is an issue that crosses political boundaries. I guess that's the way it goes these days, in Congress.

When Medicaid Comes After the Family Home
Federal law requires states to seek reimbursement from the assets, usually homes, of people who died after receiving benefits for long-term care.
NY Times 16Mar2024

The letter came from the state department of human services in July 2021. It expressed condolences for the loss of the recipient’s mother, who had died a few weeks earlier at 88.

Then it explained that the deceased had incurred a Medicaid debt of more than $77,000 and provided instructions on how to repay the money. “I was stunned,” said the woman’s 62-year-old daughter. At first, she thought the letter might be some sort of scam. It wasn’t.

She asked not to be identified, because the case is unresolved and she doesn’t want to jeopardize her chances of getting the bill reduced. The New York Times has reviewed documentation substantiating her account.

The daughter moved into the family’s Midwestern home years earlier, when her widowed mother, who had vascular dementia, began to need assistance. Her mother was well insured, with Medicare, a private supplemental “Medigap” policy and long-term care insurance. The only reason she enrolled in Medicaid was that she had signed up for a state program that allowed her daughter to receive modest payments for caregiving.

But that triggered additional monthly charges through a Medicaid managed care organization, and now the state wants that money back.

The practice dates to 1993, when Congress mandated that when Medicaid beneficiaries over age 55 have used long-term services, such as nursing homes or home care, states must try to recover those expenses from the beneficiaries’ estates after their deaths. “Medicaid requires beneficiaries to spend down almost all their assets” to qualify for benefits, explained Eric Carlson, a directing attorney at Justice in Aging.

Most states allow those eligible for Medicaid to retain assets worth only $2,000. But if a beneficiary owns a home, it can be exempt. Still, if Medicaid has paid for long-term care and there’s money to be had after death, state agencies will come for the assets.

“If there’s going to be tens of thousands of dollars available for recovery, in most cases, it’s the house,” Mr. Carlson said. Surviving family members may have to sell the house to repay Medicaid, as the Midwestern daughter may be forced to do, or the state may seize the property.

Medicaid “is the only public benefit program from the United States of America that requires states to seek to get money back,” said Representative Jan Schakowsky, Democrat of Illinois. This month she reintroduced a bill, the Stop Unfair Medicaid Recoveries Act, to end the practice.

Her staff has calculated that 17,000 families in Illinois alone have lost homes to Medicaid recovery since 2021. Comparable national figures aren’t available, but an independent agency that advises the federal government and states on Medicaid issues reported in 2021 that states collected $733 million through estate recovery in the fiscal year of 2019.

That amounts to only about one half of a percent of Medicaid’s long-term-care expenditures, according to the agency, MACPAC, the Medicaid and CHIP Payment and Access Commission. Only eight states collected more than 1 percent of expenditures.

“This is a really harmful and cruel program,” Ms. Schakowsky said. “And it’s not working. The cost of actually trying to get the money could exceed any money that would be returned.”

When Congress established the mandate, proponents argued that estate recovery would save money and promote fairness, since some higher-income seniors hired lawyers to help shield their assets so that Medicaid would pay their nursing home bills.

But for the most part, the states pursue claims against low-income families, many of them Black and Hispanic. Critics argue that the policy perpetuates poverty. The average wealth of deceased Medicaid recipients over age 65 is less than $45,000, the MACPAC report noted, and the average home equity is $27,364.

“For a lot of these people, the home is a product of a lifetime’s worth of working and scrimping,” Mr. Carlson said. “It could be a foundation for their children and grandchildren. That’s pulled away from the family under these claims. It imposes recovery against the families and communities least able to pay it.”

(A surviving spouse or minor or disabled child can continue to live in the house after a Medicaid beneficiary dies, but after the survivors die, or after a child turns 21, estate recovery can proceed.)

Every state offers hardship waivers that reduce claims, but “the process tends to be difficult or futile,” Mr. Carlson said. “Depending on the state, the request is almost always unsuccessful.”

“I don’t think estate recovery was a policy created primarily to impact low-income families, but that’s the impact it’s having,” said Natalie Kean, another directing attorney at Justice in Aging.

Estate recovery can also affect middle-class families, however. Many turn to Medicaid because, given the cost of nursing homes (the median price last year was $8,669 a month), “your savings can disappear in a hurry,” Mr. Carlson said.

Brian Snell, an elder law attorney in Marblehead, Mass., represents a family whose 93-year-old mother, who had dementia, died in 2022 at her condo in North Andover. Her daughter had cut back on her hours as a beautician to care for her at home, wanting to keep her out of a nursing home because “that was her mother’s wish,” Mr. Snell said.

When the mother qualified for MassHealth, the state Medicaid program, it enrolled her in a state home care program that provided home health aides (though only sporadically, because the pandemic made workers and agencies hesitant to enter homes).

After her death, MassHealth sought to recover $292,000 for the cost of home care and the program premiums. Because two of her children were low-income, including the caregiving daughter, a state waiver would allow those two to receive $50,000 each from the sale of the mother’s condo. But more than half of the $335,000 sales price will go to the state and federal governments.

The prospect of such clawbacks prevents some low-income older adults from receiving necessary care, even if they’re eligible. “It’s not uncommon for people to simply decline to apply for Medicaid services once they learn about the recovery program,” said Matthew Portwood, an intake supervisor at the Atlanta Regional Commission, which serves as the local agency on aging, in an email. “Our counselors encounter this almost daily.”

Some states are working to reduce the financial hit on low-income families. Massachusetts, Georgia, South Carolina and Illinois, for instance, will not pursue recovery against estates valued below $25,000. Some states now provide applicants with fuller explanations of the consequences of signing up.

California allows hardship waivers for a “homestead of modest value,” defined as a market value of up to half the average price of homes in the county. MACPAC recommended amending federal law to allow states to make recovery optional.

Representative Schakowsky’s bill goes beyond that to prohibit Medicaid estate recovery altogether. “It’s just a terrible idea,” she said.

Her bill faces an uphill battle in the Republican-controlled House — all its 13 co-sponsors to date are Democrats — and it went nowhere when she introduced it last session. But the congresswoman remains optimistic: People in red states need long-term care, too.

Back in the Midwest, the daughter who was billed $77,000 still hopes to remain in the two-story house where she grew up, where her mother lived for more than 60 years and where “there’s a memory in every corner.” Now she is looking for a lawyer. “I have to fight this,” she said.

Number one- put the grown child's name on the house title to protect it.

Number two the problem is much, much greater than the ownership of a house. Who can afford (the median price last year was $8,669 a month) for a retirement apartment? I don't know people who can afford that and I work for the elderly. I don't want to hijack this thread but if the subject of the rapidly developing crisis of elderly people needing help they can not get, interest you, let me know.
 
I thought I heard it was 7 years to sign over your assets before needing long term care. Then they can't take it. I knew a woman with MS who did this and her single daughter lived in the house after she needed nursing home care.

Perhaps some people think they will just get the assets when a parent dies. Medical will come after the assets though I think there are legal loopholes.

I've thought of this. When my stepfather dies. If he were to go suddenly, I'll get something from the sale of his manufactured home and newer car. It becomes mine when he dies. I have to split with my narcissistic brother but I'll pay myself for all the work I'll have to do so it won't be 50/50. Not to some jerk who yells at me from the other side of the country and told me I wasn't doing anything.

However, if my stepfather goes to assisted living or a nursing home, there will be nothing. Oh well. Not counting on anything.
 
What can you say about this? Americans and healthcare is a mine field. For non-Americans, it's mind-boggling. But it's just an American thing.

You know what might be worse? Not getting all the help you need when the person is ill and needs assistance. Just heartbreaking.
 
I thought I heard it was 7 years to sign over your assets before needing long term care. Then they can't take it. I knew a woman with MS who did this and her single daughter lived in the house after she needed nursing home care.
I think it varies by state, etc. In my state it is 5 years.

What is interesting is the bias in the media regarding this matter.

Also, before medicaid was added to social security... what did people do? They didn't ship the oldsters off to a nursing home.
 
My mom was living with my grandmother when gram had to go to a nursing home. Not enough money to pay for her care so they came after the house.

I was able to broker a deal so my mom could continue to live there and not lose her inheritance. I purchased the house at the county auditors tax value, which is about half the price of market value. No banks were involved so we structured it as my grandmother selling it to me directly, in turn I paid the monthly payment directly to the nursing home. Medicaid did require there to be an interest charge but I was allowed to structure the sale at 2% below the lowest market rate I could find.

All in all my grandmother lived for six years and my mom was able to keep the home when gram passed.

Not sure if that kind of deal is still an option but something to look into if needed.
 
Interesting that there was no bi-partisan support for Schakowsky's bill; you'd think this is an issue that crosses political boundaries. I guess that's the way it goes these days, in Congress.

When Medicaid Comes After the Family Home
Federal law requires states to seek reimbursement from the assets, usually homes, of people who died after receiving benefits for long-term care.
NY Times 16Mar2024

The letter came from the state department of human services in July 2021. It expressed condolences for the loss of the recipient’s mother, who had died a few weeks earlier at 88.


Thanks so much Lethe. We need to learn from each other to avoid the pitfalls of aging.
 
Medicare, OK ..... There is the boat launch where the current runs through it that will save you a lot & you can leave your car there for your kids to pick up later.

Medicaid? Get your own insurance + BlueCross - BlueShield is most likely a good idea.
 

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