When the vaccine receives FDA approval, it may then be mandated. Would you take it?

win231 said:
Yes, and "Get your flu shot early because this year's flu epidemic is going to be the worst yet." :ROFLMAO:
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1. That flu shot ad was quoted by you, Win.

2. If you don't find Covid a funny subject (I'm glad to hear it), why the hysterically laughing emoticon? Sure looks like you find something hilarious about all this.
 

Sunny said:
1. That flu shot ad was quoted by you, Win.

2. If you don't find Covid a funny subject (I'm glad to hear it), why the hysterically laughing emoticon? Sure looks like you find something hilarious about all this.
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Using fear to advertise vaccines is sometimes amusing.
But you're always amusing & I sincerely thank you.
Laughter is the best medicine. It even works on the.....uneducated. 😊
 
Win, you seem to be awfully sensitive about your apparent lack of education, which you keep referring to. Just for the record, I have never said you were lacking in education; how could I know anything about that? I can't see why you are taking a plain, obvious, easily tested fact as a personal insult.

What I was referring to, and ALL I was referring to is the fact that many studies of the demographics about this disease all point to the same fact. You may not like it, but all the indications show the same correlation between education and getting the vaccine. Interestingly, the important fact is overwhelmingly education, more important than race, religion, age, or a whole bunch of other things. Probably there is an economic element, as generally, the least educated people are the poorest. But it's not because they can't afford the vaccine, as it's free. In fact, people are being begged to get the vaccine if they haven't yet, especially with that Delta variant out there.

There are many web sites dealing with this. Here is one of them.

https://news.usc.edu/182848/education-covid-19-vaccine-safety-risks-usc-study/
 
Sunny said:
Win, you seem to be awfully sensitive about your apparent lack of education, which you keep referring to. Just for the record, I have never said you were lacking in education; how could I know anything about that? I can't see why you are taking a plain, obvious, easily tested fact as a personal insult.

What I was referring to, and ALL I was referring to is the fact that many studies of the demographics about this disease all point to the same fact. You may not like it, but all the indications show the same correlation between education and getting the vaccine. Interestingly, the important fact is overwhelmingly education, more important than race, religion, age, or a whole bunch of other things. Probably there is an economic element, as generally, the least educated people are the poorest. But it's not because they can't afford the vaccine, as it's free. In fact, people are being begged to get the vaccine if they haven't yet, especially with that Delta variant out there.

There are many web sites dealing with this. Here is one of them.

https://news.usc.edu/182848/education-covid-19-vaccine-safety-risks-usc-study/
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There was a story in the news this evening about people being given a $100 Walmart gift card if they got the vaccine, and people were going for it. I don't know who was paying for it. Maybe Walmart since they don't want to lose customers to covid.
 
OscarW said:
Government mandated vaccinations are a slippery slope to the kind of totalitarian government on display in The Handmaiden’s Tale. I doubt the women living under those conditions believe that the government knows what’s best for them and their bodies. If the U.S. mandates COVID vaccinations, we are a hop, skip and a jump away.
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Which reminds me that Oscar Wilde was imprisoned for his homosexual lifestyle, which in itself is govt. ordering a person not to engage in certain acts, a shame.
 
Irwin said:
There was a story in the news this evening about people being given a $100 Walmart gift card if they got the vaccine, and people were going for it. I don't know who was paying for it. Maybe Walmart since they don't want to lose customers to covid.
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Most likely, the ones who profit from the vaccine are paying for it. It's an investment - Much like drug companies paying for doctors' continuing education.
 
Sunny said:
1. That flu shot ad was quoted by you, Win.

2. If you don't find Covid a funny subject (I'm glad to hear it), why the hysterically laughing emoticon? Sure looks like you find something hilarious about all this.
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Actually, you hear pretty much those exact words from some local news anchor every flu season "...expected to be the worst flu season yet..." and then they tell you where you can get your flu shot for little to no cost.
 
Irwin said:
There's no way the government could mandate it in the U.S. without our country breaking out into a civil war, but other countries might. Businesses could mandate it here, as they have been, such as hospitals and restaurants. That's only going to compound the worker shortage problem, but so would workers getting sick and dying from covid-19 if businesses didn't mandate them to get vaccinated.

So I guess it is as it should be. Establishments have the option to mandate vaccinations among their workers and with the current worker shortage, they can go to work for other businesses that don't have a mandate if they so choose. Personally, I wouldn't go to a hospital or restaurant that didn't have a vaccine mandate. It's not worth the risk. Since I'm vaccinated, I probably wouldn't get too sick or sick at all, even if I got covid-19, but I don't want to get it, and there's no good reason for me to risk it since there are options that don't carry that risk.
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I think Congress can pass such a mandate, and I think it can even be an executive order IF it can qualify as a matter of National Security.
I'm not positive about that, but I think so. And if so, I wonder if the people would have the right to take it to the Supreme Court?
 
JonDouglas said:
Mandated? That would fire things up and I think it would result both in a quick trip to the supreme court and a good bit of defiant rebellion. With all that's going on, pulling such a stunt might be political suicide.
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What d'ya wanna bet the jails fill up if that happens?

No 'might be' about it, it definitely would be.
 
Murrmurr said:
I think Congress can pass such a mandate, and I think it can even be an executive order IF it can qualify as a matter of National Security.
I'm not positive about that, but I think so. And if so, I wonder if the people would have the right to take it to the Supreme Court?
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They'd need all Democrats and 10 Republicans to vote for it in order to pass in the Senate. That's about as likely as Israel building Roman style government buildings.
 
Irwin said:
They'd need all Democrats and 10 Republicans to vote for it in order to pass in the Senate. That's about as likely as Israel building Roman style government buildings.
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That's right. I forgot about who's in the seats.

So, the administration would have to try an executive order. No approval from Congress required, and Congress couldn't overturn it, but they could pass legislation to make it difficult to impossible, like simply not funding it, not forming a committee or agency to implement the program and oversee it....that sort of thing.
 
Murrmurr said:
Actually, you hear pretty much those exact words from some local news anchor every flu season "...expected to be the worst flu season yet..." and then they tell you where you can get your flu shot for little to no cost.
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LOL - and they think we'll forget that tired, old line even though they've used it many times before.
Which flu season is really the "Worst?" They can't all be the worst. 😂
 
Murrmurr said:
I think Congress can pass such a mandate, and I think it can even be an executive order IF it can qualify as a matter of National Security.
I'm not positive about that, but I think so. And if so, I wonder if the people would have the right to take it to the Supreme Court?
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Congress of course could enact such legislation but expect court challenges to it's Constitutionality. An EO really has no force of law outside the Executive branch. Any legal issue can be presented to the SC, whether it is accepted by bypassing other courts, on say an Emergency application, or Certiorari, etc.
 
From Fareed Zakaria's op-ed column in today's Washington Post:

Here are some things that you are forced to do in the United States: go to school, pay taxes, register for the draft (if you are male), serve on a jury. There are also many things that you are not allowed to do that might be mistakenly seen as involving no one else: You may not buy or sell controlled substances, litter on public streets, make loud noise after certain hours, and so on. If you drive a car, you are required to get a license, buy insurance, wear a seat belt, obey street signs and speed limits, have the car inspected and limit alcohol intake before driving. If you want your children to go to a public school in the United States, they must be vaccinated. These are all mandates because seemingly private actions actually impose public costs. You should not have the right to spread disease and occupy a precious hospital bed.
 
Sunny said:
From Fareed Zakaria's op-ed column in today's Washington Post:

Here are some things that you are forced to do in the United States: go to school, pay taxes, register for the draft (if you are male), serve on a jury. There are also many things that you are not allowed to do that might be mistakenly seen as involving no one else: You may not buy or sell controlled substances, litter on public streets, make loud noise after certain hours, and so on. If you drive a car, you are required to get a license, buy insurance, wear a seat belt, obey street signs and speed limits, have the car inspected and limit alcohol intake before driving. If you want your children to go to a public school in the United States, they must be vaccinated. These are all mandates because seemingly private actions actually impose public costs. You should not have the right to spread disease and occupy a precious hospital bed.
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Link please.
 
Sunny said:
From Fareed Zakaria's op-ed column in today's Washington Post:

Here are some things that you are forced to do in the United States: go to school, pay taxes, register for the draft (if you are male), serve on a jury. There are also many things that you are not allowed to do that might be mistakenly seen as involving no one else: You may not buy or sell controlled substances, litter on public streets, make loud noise after certain hours, and so on. If you drive a car, you are required to get a license, buy insurance, wear a seat belt, obey street signs and speed limits, have the car inspected and limit alcohol intake before driving. If you want your children to go to a public school in the United States, they must be vaccinated. These are all mandates because seemingly private actions actually impose public costs. You should not have the right to spread disease and occupy a precious hospital bed.
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We don't have the right to spread disease criminally. You will be criminally charged for spitting on a person, having sex with someone without informing them if you have an STD, willfully putting bio-contaminates in people's food or water, willfully exposing someone to a disease. That's why you're supposed to stay home from work when you're sick.

Employers don't like it when people call in sick, and they used to dock people's pay or even fire them for staying home with an illness, but now they can be criminally charged for that. Now they have to pay sick days and can't fire or demote you for taking time off while you're sick.
 
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