Who is God the Father? Zeus, Jupiter, Thor, the great “I AM”, or the man in the moon

Aneeda72

Aneeda72

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The humane race has had many deities throughout its history so who exactly is the main the God? Who would determine who the main God is? If the human race stops believing in a certain God, such as Zeus, does he cease to exist? Or does he just become a comic book character where his real origin is forgotten?

Is Greek methodology even studied in school anymore? Would comic books or history book be used? Were the Celtic gods christian, as someone brought up in another thread. I would be interested in knowing. Do all the religions believe in the same one god or god the father with different prophets?

I have only heard of God having one child-Jesus Christ. Are there other belief systems that claim a biological reference to a different child? As to Mary the mother of JC, being claimed as a prophet-never heard of this either. Can not even imagine someone would think she was a prophet. Would like to hear more.

So how about a secular conversation about these matters where religions are mentioned but no one gets insulted, or hurt, or tries to prove their beliefs, or shove their believes on anyone. Just a discussion on who God might actually be. Non-believers are welcome as well to discuss that God might not be.

If there is no God, then how do miracles happen? Just asking, lol.
 

You can ask, but none of us has the answers. I ponder on this a lot myself. Certainly the God of the Old Testament doesn't seem the same as the God Jesus spoke of. Plus the other name for Zeus/Jupiter is Jove which is remarkably similar to Jehovah, don't you think? The Bible talks of Sons of Heaven who mated with the daughters of man. Sounds like extra-terrestrials to me.
 
yup, here we go, stir the pot up good aneeda72. Miracles? never seen one. the primary reason for a religion was because way way way back the early peoples did not understand what was going on in the world. So those with more wit found they could use that to control other people and make then do their will. 'I have the hand of God so you must do as I say or else'.

I have seen those who profess the greatest belief to be phony blohards, who preach one thing and do another! Belief you say? I believe that when I get up the sun will still shine and gravity will still work.
I believe that you get what you earn, hard work, long hours. I may not have the best personallity but noone ever, ever complained about my work. And at times I worked for peanuts because I needed gas for my vehicle, food, and no 'sky fairy' ever gave me anything!!! And to you moderators who don't think religious discussions should be banned or at the very least only allowed in one forum topic that way I know not to go there!!!!!
 

OK cdestroyer....you've said your piece. Now leave this thread to those of us who Do want to have a serious discussion. There are always those who want to spoil things for others.
 
I believe miracles can happen. I don't know from who or where they come though. I don't know what God really is. I see divinity in nature, both it's perfection and it's wrath. I think humans could solve a lot of problems by becoming more humane, but that's another issue. The question of God is mind boggling. Sorry no definite answers, just random thoughts if that's okay?
 
Yes, chic...no-one has the answers, we can only say what we think is a possible explanation. It seems the definition of 'God' varies. There are the 'superior' beings who gave knowledge to mankind, and those who want to control us. In the past, men seemed to think that the Gods were in control of men's lives and had to be appeased by sacrifices. I should like to know where the practise of killing animals as sacrifice came from. What purpose did it serve?
 
I think that this is a great thread, but I can see why some people would not want to have a discussion on something as controversial as religious beliefs, but those people can simply look for other threads that do interest them.
Another possibility, Aneeda72, is that if the moderators decide not to allow religious discussions, then it can be opened as a discussion in the “Groups” section of this forum.
There is a group called “Of Things Spiritual” , and this kind of discussion can absolutely be done there, without interference from those who do not want to see it as part of the discussion boards.
I am going to write more, but constrained for time right now, and need to think out what i want to write, so will come back to this thread later.
 
What amazes me is the similarities between these main gods. It is interesting and a valid point of discussion. Also, cdestroyer, I am glad for your reply. You are confusing a discussion about various gods of the past and, possibility a discussion about current gods, with religion. Religion is different. And belief in God is different. This is the point I’m trying to make.

No need for emotions such as anger. As for for stirring up the pot, lol, it’s a discussion, not a sermon. I don’t even stir stew since I seldom cook. Although I was dreaming of eating stew last night and woke very hungry. OMG, now my husband is going to have to make some stew.

Please, lighten up cdestroyer. The over 70 crowd often worked for peanuts to put food in the bellie. I only get 800 a month in social security, still peanuts, the disabled get 500, less than peanuts. As for the “sky fairy” reference, great words for a god you don’t believe in and has done nothing for you.

Also my point, non-believers still use a name and a reference to refer to some unknown deity. The anger at a non-existent deity inability to help or provide for a non-believer is amazing. It is as if the non-believers have a more complicated belief system than the believers and force themselves to deny a deity’s existent in order to account for the lack of interest the deity has in them. Food for thought?

A miracle is the word we use to explain something that can not be explained by science. A miracle is NOT a religious experience, IMO. Miracles have nothing to due with weather you are Catholic or Baptist. A miracle is sometimes, most times, linked to a deity experience. In my Christian experience, I would link such an experience to God, JC, or Mary.

The deities I know and believe in. Someone of a different faith would link a miracle to their deity. If you haven’t had one, you haven’t needed one. I think it is need based.

Rosemarie, yes I agree with the similarities. Zeus/Jupiter=Jehovah. Also Zeus/Jesus. But the God of the Old Testament was was a mean scary dude, IMO. Flooding the world and the restart, kinda of harsh. But reminds me of those who want to drop the bombs for a reset. History always repeats itself.
 
Chic,

Your point is excellent! A lot of us see god in nature, the beauty and the wrath. There is NO religion in nature, the grass does not bow down to the tree. The Big Bang theory vs God created the world vs the alien theory of creation. Perhaps all three theories are valid.

Science has already proved that more than one type of pre-man existed. Perhaps one race created by the Big Bang and another created by a god, a third by an alien? One of the races won out, but, lol, which one? Or a mix thru marriage? If you believe in the Old Testament, the flood, then which of these races did Noah did descend from?

As for another thread, since Keesha wants to start investigating religion, (hopefully she’s reading this and doesn’t mind my suggestion), l think it would be perfect for her to start one. I would be interested in that thread as well. It should be started, IMO, by someone not so set in their religious beliefs as I am. Course, we could have several threads on the subject.

A non-believer could start a thread on non-belief-that would be really interesting. That’s what the forum is for, discussions.
 
I currently view that magical force as ‘nature,’ but I’d like to learn more about religion .

To me, all of life is miraculous from its birth to its death and with everything inclusive but I do find the beliefs man has fabricated to understand the laws of nature, which we call religion to be very interesting. There are many people who use religion in a positive way and if it makes them feel better about themselves and how they interact with others then I’ve got no problems with it. I’ve met many beautiful religious people whom I wouldn’t change for anything in the world. Many of my close relatives are very religious and it works for them and I respect that.
They have a right to believe whatever they want.

This is always an interesting conversation
 
Here’s a thought. The theory of evolution-our bodies evolved from apes as a natural event. But God, as the Holy Spirit, provided our minds, our brain, the essence of our being, what makes us, us.

We all know, due to medical advances that our bodies can live long after our spiritual essence has fled, our brain has died. What’s left is an empty, IMO, worthless shell whose bits and pieces can be shared with any other human of the same blood type.

Perhaps, our bodies were not made in His image, but he shared His essence with us. Our essence was made in his image.

Makes more sense, to me. Since god is unseen and our spirits are unseen. I am a universal donor. You can, literally, have a piece of me. LOL!
 
I was brought up in the Protestant denomination. Went to Sunday school, not because I wanted to. In later years much to my Mom's dismay I became what my Mom called an Agnostic. I questioned everything. I have since simplified my beliefs. I try to be the best person I can and at times have failed. I keep trying. Nature brings me the most peace when I'm stressed. I have to admit once in awhile I hear an old hymn that was sung when I was in Sunday school and enjoy listening. Just like the music I guess. I get nothing out of a mere mortal explaining the Bible to me. I'll draw my own conclusions if need be.
 
The evidence doesn't point to mankind being evolved from apes, but that mankind is a species of ape. We are still excavating and learning but it seems that in the past, there were several species of humanoid living at roughly the same time. Some have died out, and others have survived. (Here it gets difficult, because I have said this on another site and been accused of racism, which is nonsense). Of the humans in existence at the moment, there are different races, each with its own characteristics. Consider the difference between a sub-sahara African, and an Oriental. Both of the human race but totally different from each other. Which rather makes nonsense of the belief that God made man in his own image.
 
I'll add a few thoughts before I leave this topic alone, echoing "we'll never really know".

I think there is no proof god is a father, or a "main" god.

If the human race stops believing in a certain God, such as Zeus, does he cease to exist?
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Maybe he never existed in the first place.

Is Greek methodology even studied in school anymore?
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Do you mean "mythology"?

As to Mary the mother of JC, being claimed as a prophet-never heard of this either. Can not even imagine someone would think she was a prophet.
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We'll never know whether she or Mary Magdalene were. Hebrew men of that era did not consider women worthy of any knowledge or importance in these matters. But I'm open to it.


If there is no God, then how do miracles happen?
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If so, it's just because you don't understand the "Miracle". It was miraculous to fly in a machine, or transplant a heart or genetically alter a living creature.

Plus the other name for Zeus/Jupiter is Jove which is remarkably similar to Jehovah, don't you think?
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No. I think Jehova is more likely from Yahweh, one of 7 names the Hebrews had for god.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah

The Bible talks of Sons of Heaven who mated with the daughters of man. Sounds like extra-terrestrials to me.
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Could be! Historically tho' I think peopled believed their children were angels, altho' some believed they were giants. Who knows?

These are just some thoughts.
 
RadishRose,

I blame Alexa, I can’t spell, never could. Yes, it’s mythology-the early Greek stuff, lol, thanks.
 
Rosemarie,

If I remember correctly some believe man was made of clay, different types of clay could account for different types of appearances. However, our various races are not totally different from each other. We are only different in our appearance-blood, bone, bits and pieces are the same and somewhat interchangeable.

My husband’s blood type is AB, rare. I am O. I can donate blood to him, he cannot donate blood to me.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Chic,

Your point is excellent! A lot of us see god in nature, the beauty and the wrath. There is NO religion in nature, the grass does not bow down to the tree. The Big Bang theory vs God created the world vs the alien theory of creation. Perhaps all three theories are valid.

Science has already proved that more than one type of pre-man existed. Perhaps one race created by the Big Bang and another created by a god, a third by an alien? One of the races won out, but, lol, which one? Or a mix thru marriage? If you believe in the Old Testament, the flood, then which of these races did Noah did descend from?

As for another thread, since Keesha wants to start investigating religion, (hopefully she’s reading this and doesn’t mind my suggestion), l think it would be perfect for her to start one. I would be interested in that thread as well. It should be started, IMO, by someone not so set in their religious beliefs as I am. Course, we could have several threads on the subject.

A non-believer could start a thread on non-belief-that would be really interesting. That’s what the forum is for, discussions.
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I just wondered if we could start a conversation about how religion started and evolved without getting into conflict but I suppose that old saying is true... never discuss politics or religion.
I wasn’t sure how you were going to start the conversation. Perhaps this should be done in the private group sections?
Im interested in discussing the historical facts about Christianity and how it evolved or Buddhism or any religion and discuss what the common denominators are. It appears there are more similarities than differences.
 
I remember reading a book where a woman had her mother die who had a strong faith in Christianity. And this daughter who wanted to be with her mother herself after she herself died, twisted herself into all kind kind of pretzels to make herself into a "believer". And so she asked, if humans were evolved from apes, how come there are still apes?

Study evolution and you will get your answer.
 

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