WHO now says Coronavirus did not come from China

StarSong said:
Credible scientists don't lie. They respond and refine their positions as more data comes to light.
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Agreed. Notice first that StarSong said "credible" scientists. These would be the real scientists with a track record in research. Then, consider that we are all learning about this virus together so we have to expect that scientists will get some things wrong along the way, but will correct previous statements when new data shows previous observations to be false. Remember that science deals mostly in hypothesis, so that whatever science says it knows currently, is always open to change if and when new data comes to light that requires such correction. Over the course of this virus, we have seen conflicting views among those scientists and medical people doing the research as each involved collected new data. Unfortunately, politics has played a far too large role in this, muddying the waters so it is difficult for the general public to know which end is up and what to do.

Over time, what the general public is to do has been distilled into a few easy to understand action items such as wearing masks, social distance, wash hands frequently.

For me personally, it is not particularly important at this point to know where the virus originated. The "who is at fault" blame thing seems to me to be more about politics. To researchers, determining where it originated and how, is important because they will want to more thoroughly understand the virus and possibly address the situation that allowed the virus to transfer to humans as a preventative measure in the future. Also, such study may help to make the response to the next similar virus more efficient and therefore, help save lives.

Tony
 

tbeltrans said:
Agreed. Notice first that StarSong said "credible" scientists. These would be the real scientists with a track record in research. Then, consider that we are all learning about this virus together so we have to expect that scientists will get some things wrong along the way, but will correct previous statements when new data shows previous observations to be false. Over the course of this virus, we have seen conflicting views among those scientists and medical people doing the research as each involved collected new data. Unfortunately, politics has played a far too large role in this, muddying the waters so it is difficult for the general public to know which end is up and what to do.

Over time, what the general public is to do has been distilled into a few easy to understand action items such as wearing masks, social distance, wash hands frequently.

For me personally, it is not particularly important at this point to know where the virus originated. The "who is at fault" blame thing seems to me to be more about politics. To researchers, determining where it originated and how, is important because they will want to more thoroughly understand the virus and possibly address the situation that allowed the virus to transfer to humans as a preventative measure in the future. Also, such study may help to make the response to the next similar virus more efficient and therefore, help save lives.

Tony
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Exactly. It's important to look at the scientist's credentials, body of work, track record, and affiliations.
 
Becky1951 said:
Yes of course because we all know that science has never, ever, in history been wrong. 🙄
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"Science is the study of the nature and behaviour of natural things and the knowledge that we obtain about them. The best discoveries in science are very simple. ... A science is a particular branch of science such as physics, chemistry, or biology."

I'm not saying the science of trying to distinguish where the virus originated from is right or wrong. I'm not saying the science behind the Covid vaccine is right or wrong, how can I, or how can you?

All I'm saying is science can be and has been wrong in the past.
Scientists are human, humans make mistakes.
 

I think bias/politics is the reason it was pinned on a lab in China. A former world leader convinced many by pushing the xenophobic name "China virus." Luckily science and saner heads prevailed with the proper name COVID-19.
 
Becky1951 said:
"Science is the study of the nature and behaviour of natural things and the knowledge that we obtain about them. The best discoveries in science are very simple. ... A science is a particular branch of science such as physics, chemistry, or biology."

I'm not saying the science of trying to distinguish where the virus originated from is right or wrong. I'm not saying the science behind the Covid vaccine is right or wrong, how can I, or how can you?

All I'm saying is science can be and has been wrong in the past.
Scientists are human, humans make mistakes.
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I used to work with a guy, a mathematician, who said that the difference between religion and science is that science is willing to admit when it is wrong. Though I don't doubt that some will take offense at that, it was worth a chuckle since I remember when the Catholic Church "forgave" Galileo, but never (openly) admitted he was right. It is rather odd, thinking back on my experience in Catholic school, that the science we were taught included Galileo's findings without question. So I figure that whole thing involving "forgiving" Galileo was more about the politics involved than what the Church actually thought.

Edit: Correction to my statement about the Catholic Church above. According to the NY Times, the Catholic Church finally did admit that Galileo was right, in 1984:

https://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/31/...-vatican-says-galileo-was-right-it-moves.html

Tony
 
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I remember back in the 1960s and early 1970s when the WHO was a band. They were a bit too loud, distorted, and slammy for my taste, but they were all over the media, and hard to miss. So, though I know what WHO references here (World Health Organization), I knew of the WHO first and that sticks with me. Old age, I guess. ;)

Tony
 
StarSong said:
They acknowledge mistakes, which is how medicine and science are supposed to work.
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We'll see here in the next few years, if they will with the new vaccine and if there are long term side effect's.
Nosy Bee-54 said:
I think bias/politics is the reason it was pinned on a lab in China. A former world leader convinced many by pushing the xenophobic name "China virus." Luckily science and saner heads prevailed with the proper name COVID-19.
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This former leader was widely hated but you have to give credit that he got the vaccine rolling out within a year. Then again the Drug Companies didn't like him either for lowering drug prices and other things. Would the Drug Companies push out a vaccine that didn't work to get even with this leader??? Hmm, something to think about. No, I don't think they would do that since we have much confidence in the WHO and CDC. :rolleyes:
 
win231 said:
What did it for me was when they claimed that famous person with the funny yellow hair was "Seriously ill with Covid," then he was cured in 3 days with that experimental "Miracle" drug that was coincidentally approved.
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...and in three days...he arose COVID-free. Do ah hea an AMEN?!?!?!

It does seem a little odd, now that I think about it. :unsure:

I am not anti-Trump as many seem to be. As with most Presidents, to me there is a mix of good and not so good. However, there are certainly more glaring oddities with this Presidency than with most.

Tony
 
win231 said:
What did it for me was when they claimed that famous person with the funny yellow hair was "Seriously ill with Covid," then he was cured in 3 days with that experimental "Miracle" drug that was coincidentally approved.
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The MD's weren't given the right to be honest or transparent about that story. HIPAA laws would have prevented them from divulging the truth or correcting false information.
 
RadishRose said:
I thought the minks came later, but as usual, I'm confused in many aspects of this disease.
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No, it was a UFO visitation, but nobody has been able to nail down who or where. Of course, I never read or heard this tidbit anywhere, but it sounds good to me. :ROFLMAO:

Like you, I think many of us are "confused in many aspects of this disease", so you are definitely not alone in that.

Tony
 

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