Why are bloodlines so important?

bobcat

bobcat

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I guess I was wondering what is special about bloodlines in humans. I get it in breeding animals where certain characteristics can prevail if they are linked to outstanding parentage, but why is it important in humans. Even to this day "royal blood" or heritage is thought of as something important, but for different reasons than for breeding animals (At least I think),

Blood is vital for carrying oxygen, nutrients, and immune system forces, but is there something more to it than that? Is it somehow part of our identity? For instance, if you had Native American blood, or of royal descent, are you different than if you didn't have it? Some countries place a lot of importance on it, but I'm not sure if it's just a human contrived notion, or something more.
 

Why should it be different in animals than in people?

There are hereditary diseases, tendencies, resistance etc. There are the evolved traits of lactose metabolism, green eyes, etc.
 

bobcat said:
I guess I was wondering what is special about bloodlines in humans. I get it in breeding animals where certain characteristics can prevail if they are linked to outstanding parentage, but why is it important in humans. Even to this day "royal blood" or heritage is thought of as something important, but for different reasons than for breeding animals (At least I think),

Blood is vital for carrying oxygen, nutrients, and immune system forces, but is there something more to it than that? Is it somehow part of our identity? For instance, if you had Native American blood, or of royal descent, are you different than if you didn't have it? Some countries place a lot of importance on it, but I'm not sure if it's just a human contrived notion, or something more.
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Oklahoma's Indian Nations are extremely proud of their heritage. As long as it is documented and proven. It is a bond based on suffering and rising.
 
dilettante said:
Why should it be different in animals than in people?

There are hereditary diseases, tendencies, resistance etc. There are the evolved traits of lactose metabolism, green eyes, etc.
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I don't know that it should be different, but in this case, it seems to be.
Royalty marrying royalty doesn't appear to be about avoiding diseases, or health matters. From what I read and understand, it seems to be more about maintaining one's rank or class.

In the past, marrying a commoner meant one would have to abdicate their position in the royal society. Arranged marriages were often to elevate or preserve status. Nobles and royals moved in the same circles. A person's social standing was usually tied to regal bloodlines.

Even in Biblical history, being the seed of someone important conveyed a considerable degree of weight. Why they were considered so important, I don't know, but many societies and cultures that had a ruling class placed an importance on bloodline.
 
I think we see it in other ways as well.

Women will choose to breed with those perceived as stronger, less risk-averse, or financially successful even when those tend to be precisely the men who will treat them poorly... probably due to those same traits.


This may even be a significant factor in human aggressiveness beyond what might seem "appropriate." The aggressive pass on their genes while those more pacific do not.

So while it might seem cultural to us, more likely it is biological, since we see it in every culture on the planet with very little variation.
 
dilettante said:
I think we see it in other ways as well.

Women will choose to breed with those perceived as stronger, less risk-averse, or financially successful even when those tend to be precisely the men who will treat them poorly... probably due to those same traits.


This may even be a significant factor in human aggressiveness beyond what might seem "appropriate." The aggressive pass on their genes while those more pacific do not.

So while it might seem cultural to us, more likely it is biological, since we see it in every culture on the planet with very little variation.
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Please return to your rock!
 
10 years ago, when I moved to the Big Island of Hawaii, I found out that your "blood lines"/ethnicity/heritage/ancestors could be very important. I was there for less than a week when I was asked if I was "haole", which means white, and isn't always meant as a simple question or a compliment. Also, some houses could only be purchased by folks with a certain % (50% ??) of native ancestry, and some schools were restricted the same way. I didn't take offense at any of this, and I understand that they wish to preserve parts of their cultural heritage.

Mahalo for reading my post.
 
OregonGuy said:
Sorry but IMO this thread smacks of eugenics.
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Not at all. I tried to make it clear that the understanding of bloodlines in people is different than the bloodlines in animals. It has nothing to do with improving the species or becoming superior in any physical way, or for desired traits. If your linage is from Royalty or ancestry, it becomes important for reasons other than physical. Sorry if you took it that way.
 
bobcat said:
Royalty marrying royalty doesn't appear to be about avoiding diseases, or health matters.
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Indeed, the very opposite often occurred due to inbreeding. Not only were many physically deformed but also had serious internal diseases like epilepsy and hemophilia. Many were downright crazy and I think more were a just a "little crazy" but not so much that it needed to be documented. On the whole, I don't think the European royalty were quite right in the head due to attempts to preserve bloodlines.
 
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I think that royal bloodlines are only important to those that have them.

I would say that itā€™s normal to look for things that tend to set us apart or make us feel special.

The reality is that having a unique bloodline isnā€™t really an accomplishment like learning to play the accordion.

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I'm not the slightest bit impressed by royal blood lines or specialness of royalty at all.

I do understand people wanting to acknowledge and preserve their culture though - especially people in indiginous cultures taken over by colonisers - so the Hawaain people mentioned, or native americans , australian aboriginal people etc
 
I never understand why people pay some website to find out what their blood ancestors are from. This serves no purpose, other than a conversation topic.
 
Ever notice its mostly lil Great -Great - Great Grannies, twigs, maybe weigh 80 lbs who live to 103 years of age.
Same with men. Scrawny rawhides banging at the high 90's most percentage long lived. Know why?

Then compare modern livers. Many have had great daily meals. Good diets, plenty of exercise and lil Alcohol / Tobacco.
They are regularly banging into the high 70's - mid 80's. Their averaging 6' and weigh 225 lbs. What's the similarity?
Height and weight play a negative part too along with + + effects possibly modern drugs / medical stuff. But then there
are the constant mistakes in the operating rooms to consider.

1940's ... Men tall at 5'10" Women 5' 4".
 
January said:
I'm not the slightest bit impressed by royal blood lines or specialness of royalty at all.

I do understand people wanting to acknowledge and preserve their culture though - especially people in indiginous cultures taken over by colonisers - so the Hawaain people mentioned, or native americans , australian aboriginal people etc
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First - unless their lines are way diluted they look different. A lot of different medical issues. SO was considered overweight for a long time. Bone hard barrel stomach. Here in Oklahoma nothing unusual. Some first world medical issues still plague them.

Canadians should be familiar with a generally hushed issue - forced sterilization and disappearances of young females law enforcement disregards.

Bloodlines are important but not an all out. We on go into tribal structure if you want to.
 
papa tiger said:
Ever notice its mostly lil Great -Great - Great Grannies, twigs, maybe weigh 80 lbs who live to 103 years of age.
Same with men. Scrawny rawhides banging at the high 90's most percentage long lived. Know why?

Then compare modern livers. Many have had great daily meals. Good diets, plenty of exercise and lil Alcohol / Tobacco.
They are regularly banging into the high 70's - mid 80's. Their averaging 6' and weigh 225 lbs. What's the similarity?
Height and weight play a negative part too along with + + effects possibly modern drugs / medical stuff. But then there
are the constant mistakes in the operating rooms to consider.

1940's ... Men tall at 5'10" Women 5' 4".
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Sorry, all I met are Great grand, her surviving sisters, grand and her sisters, Mumsy and her four sisters. Everyone but the perfect little busty blonde are/were 5' 10" or taller.
 
OldOld said:
I never understand why people pay some website to find out what their blood ancestors are from. This serves no purpose, other than a conversation topic.
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I suppose it's just natural curiosity in many to know their roots. Maybe it's in some ways a part of our identity. If you found out your ancestors were from Spain, for example, perhaps you may feel more of a connection to the country or the people there.
 

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