Why are virus increases associated with bars-air circulation or lack of exhaust an issue?

WhatInThe

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With all the reports of virus case increases in various states being linked to or associated with bars in detail what is going in those bars that is increasing transmission.

Let me say for starters in any indoor environment period I think exhaust fans/systems are just as important as much of the extra cleaning. One doesn't want to recirculate contaminated air. In many bars and restaurants a common feature is a ceiling fan which winds up swishing the same air around in many cases especially without a second source/outside air.

Setting that aside in a bar environment what is the actual source of transmission-people bumping into or touching each other? Dirty glasses or eating utensils with associated food service? In many buildings I think many overlook or forget to clean door handles-if people are going in and out of the restrooms all the time how often are those handles cleaned. Is cigarette smoke helping carry the micro droplets? How about the alcohol itself, if the alcohol content of the air increases but not enough to kill the virus are airborne alcohol fumes helping carry the virus? Or does alcohol consumption increase the chances of the virus leaving the body in some form? Or is it simply alot of people in close proximity breathing each other's air?

What is going on inside those bars or what is going with that demographic outside in their own environment.
 

The article I just posted in another thread https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage mentions that the virus spreads in bars because people tend to talk louder in them due to the background noise. One of the lines in the article stated that someone speaking loudly could spread the virus without ever coughing.

Another setting where the virus spread quite quickly was at a gospel singing conference/gathering where many people who attended got sick. There people are singing and expelling a lot of air as they sing.
 
The article I just posted in another thread https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/science/how-coronavirus-spreads.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage mentions that the virus spreads in bars because people tend to talk louder in them due to the background noise. One of the lines in the article stated that someone speaking loudly could spread the virus without ever coughing.

Another setting where the virus spread quite quickly was at a gospel singing conference/gathering where many people who attended got sick. There people are singing and expelling a lot of air as they sing.
Impossible. Gospel singers have divine protection. :ROFLMAO:
 
The article I just posted in another thread https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/science/how-coronavirus-spreads.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage mentions that the virus spreads in bars because people tend to talk louder in them due to the background noise. One of the lines in the article stated that someone speaking loudly could spread the virus without ever coughing.

Another setting where the virus spread quite quickly was at a gospel singing conference/gathering where many people who attended got sick. There people are singing and expelling a lot of air as they sing.
Hot air? :ROFLMAO:
 
What in the?: Excellent point! I know the technology exists and is used in hospital operating rooms to pull the air from the room , not recirculate but pull it from the building. Wouldn't itbe nice if that could be used in restaurants and regular hospital rooms?
But, per yourpost, you.ve thought about this a lot, haven't you?
 
What in the?: Excellent point! I know the technology exists and is used in hospital operating rooms to pull the air from the room , not recirculate but pull it from the building. Wouldn't itbe nice if that could be used in restaurants and regular hospital rooms?
But, per yourpost, you.ve thought about this a lot, haven't you?
Just as with the air on airplanes, it boils down to money.
When an air conditioner is set on "Recirc," it takes much less power because it doesn't have to cool outside air; it just maintains the temperature of inside air that's already been cooled.
On planes (as with cars), the air conditioner runs off the engine fuel; so using recirculated air uses less fuel. That's why people complain about getting sick after plane rides. Passengers are breathing in what other passengers have exhaled.
 
Hard to wear a mask when you are drinking. However, this does prove a point. The virus is not, let me say that again, is not a punishment from JC. Some thought/think it is. Nope. JC turned the water into wine-he has no objections, apparently, to drinking. 🤣
 
Hard to wear a mask when you are drinking. However, this does prove a point. The virus is not, let me say that again, is not a punishment from JC. Some thought/think it is. Nope. JC turned the water into wine-he has no objections, apparently, to drinking. 🤣
But JC's fellow Jew turned the Nile water into blood......... which really irritated Yul. :)
 
The equation is simple - proximity to an infected person over a period of around 30 minutes or more is all it takes to acquire the infection. That is enough in itself to explain why crowded bars and crowded churches can be the source of new hot spots. Throw in the relaxing effect of alcohol and the danger escalates. Hugs and kisses in the church and the sign of the peace are a different hazard but a hazard none the less.
 


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