Why do pepole think they don't have to obey the law because they have a cell phone?

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I have been watching all these arrests caught on camera that becuase they have the ability to record should not face accountabilty for their actions. Do they not realize that law enforcement officers are also equipped with the same capability. Things have just gotten out of control.

I have only received two tickets in my life. First one, when I was 17 for a rolling stop.
Second one, I was driving my husbands truck to the city dump day and it was out of inspection. There was no question, on my part. I did roll thru the stop, I was not in a vehicle I normally drive but when the officer pulled it over and told me, it was true.

Why have we gone nuts that we don't think we have to be resonsible for simple transgressions of the law. I know bad things happen but I just don't understand why some people act out for just simple things. Would it not be better to just admit the infraction.

It is a sad state that there are officers that do abuse their power. It is also the that we should accept the punishment/ticket we are guilty of? Until the public and law enforcement learn the proper way to handle things we all will continue to suffer. Things have just gone crazy since the introduction of cameras. What are your feelings on this matter?
 

Blessed said:
Why have we gone nuts that we don't think we have to be resonsible for simple transgressions of the law. I know bad things happen but I just don't understand why some people act out for just simple things. Would it not be better to just admit the infraction.
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I've had a few more tickets than you, all felt unfair in the moment, but I was always guilty... Never would have occurred to me to video it, just one more piece of evidence against me...
 
Here’s one for the books. I was speaking with a driver along the interstate. We were having a kind of friendly conversation because I had pulled the driver over because his chain for his trailer hitch was dragging on the ground. Not illegal, but also not safe since it was producing sparks back near the gas tank and lines.

A car pulls over in front of us and this kid that looked to be about 20 gets out of his car and starts to video our conversation. I asked what he was doing. He goes into this spiel about he has the right to video anything he wants to. I told him that he had to move and again, he started giving me this crap about his rights. So I got my pad and wrote him a citation. He told me I couldn’t write him a citation because he was within his rights. I asked him if he read that sign above his head? He said no. I told him “Well, maybe you should.”

The sign read “No stopping or parking along this area.” That experience cost him $150.00, plus costs. He wasn’t happy.
 
911 said:
Here’s one for the books. I was speaking with a driver along the interstate. We were having a kind of friendly conversation because I had pulled the driver over because his chain for his trailer hitch was dragging on the ground. Not illegal, but also not safe since it was producing sparks back near the gas tank and lines.

A car pulls over in front of us and this kid that looked to be about 20 gets out of his car and starts to video our conversation. I asked what he was doing. He goes into this spiel about he has the right to video anything he wants to. I told him that he had to move and again, he started giving me this crap about his rights. So I got my pad and wrote him a citation. He told me I couldn’t write him a citation because he was within his rights. I asked him if he read that sign above his head? He said no. I told him “Well, maybe you should.”

The sign read “No stopping or parking along this area.” That experience cost him $150.00, plus costs. He wasn’t happy.
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Great story!

I may not always like cops, but I know our world works a lot better with them. Best to let them do their jobs...
 
Alligatorob said:
Great story!

I may not always like cops, but I know our world works a lot better with them. Best to let them do their jobs...
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You know who likes cops? Anyone that needs one of us. Women show us respect more than men. I was investigating a bad accident on the interstate and a lady was trapped in her car. We were going to have to cut her out. Once we got her out, she put her arms around me and said she was scared to death and thought she was going to die, until she saw me snd then she said she knew she was going to be OK. I always went to see to the hospital a day or so later to see people that I got out of cars they were trapped in. I didn’t care if it was a child or an adult, I would go visit them in the hospital for just a few minutes. The kids always liked seeing me. I especially liked the kids. They always were happy to see us.
 
Because the call is more important to them than the possibility of all else happenning.
 
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911 said:
You know who likes cops? Anyone that needs one of us. Women show us respect more than men. I was investigating a bad accident on the interstate and a lady was trapped in her car. We were going to have to cut her out. Once we got her out, she put her arms around me and said she was scared to death and thought she was going to die, until she saw me snd then she said she knew she was going to be OK. I always went to see to the hospital a day or so later to see people that I got out of cars they were trapped in. I didn’t care if it was a child or an adult, I would go visit them in the hospital for just a few minutes. The kids always liked seeing me. I especially liked the kids. They always were happy to see us.
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Thank you for your service!
 
Here in Ontario, the Police officers all wear video body cameras, and their first words during a traffic stop are...This conversation is being recorded. Some people just don't understand that when you are granted an Ontario driver's license, it comes with a number of personal responsibilties, like producing the D.L. document when requested by a Police officer along with valid proof of insurance, and the vehicle registration document. Failure to produce each of those items will result in a charge under the Ontario Highway Traffic Act. There is no option for the officer, they must write the HTA offence ticket .

In Ontario, any Police officer MAY stop any vehicle at ANY time or Place, to check that the driver is properly licensed to drive that type of vehicle, is properly insured, and is not affected by alcohol or drugs, and that the vehicle is in a safe condition to be driven on a public road. No pretext is required to make such a traffic stop here in Ontario. JimB.
 
People are so sure they are going to record something that will get viral....hoping to find something .......
If you google it many people who at first INSISTED on body cameras on officers.............they are mad now ..........because more often then not it showed the person doing exactly what the officer said.
Some cities after spending lots of money on them................. now think they do not need them.... because they were not showing what they were pretended was happening...

Why not charge under a Good Samaritan infraction............ if like video above......... what were they hoping a car or truck hitting the stroller..
 
911 said:
Here’s one for the books. I was speaking with a driver along the interstate. We were having a kind of friendly conversation because I had pulled the driver over because his chain for his trailer hitch was dragging on the ground. Not illegal, but also not safe since it was producing sparks back near the gas tank and lines.

A car pulls over in front of us and this kid that looked to be about 20 gets out of his car and starts to video our conversation. I asked what he was doing. He goes into this spiel about he has the right to video anything he wants to. I told him that he had to move and again, he started giving me this crap about his rights. So I got my pad and wrote him a citation. He told me I couldn’t write him a citation because he was within his rights. I asked him if he read that sign above his head? He said no. I told him “Well, maybe you should.”

The sign read “No stopping or parking along this area.” That experience cost him $150.00, plus costs. He wasn’t happy.
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No, I don't think you have a "right" to video anything you want to unless you are desperately asking for a black eye or a broken jaw!
 
In Canada I have been hearing for years and years about everyone's "Human Rights." In the city where I live we have a very expensive museum called "The Museum of Human Rights."

What amazes me is that no one in this country speaks about Human Responsibility. Everyone is running around screaming about their "rights" but I have not heard one little whisper about our responsibility as citizens in this country. That just doesn't make sense unless you want your country to "go to the dogs" and with all the dogs on the street I see everyday, I believe that is where it seems to be headed.
 
Jeni said:
People are so sure they are going to record something that will get viral....hoping to find something .......
If you google it many people who at first INSISTED on body cameras on officers.............they are mad now ..........because more often then not it showed the person doing exactly what the officer said.
Some cities after spending lots of money on them................. now think they do not need them.... because they were not showing what they were pretended was happening...
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Goggle showed no results when queried about removing body-worn cameras from service.

The cameras protect the jurisdictions from frivolous lawsuits against their officers, why would they want to deprive themselves of the ability to defend themselves in court w video evidence?
 
againstthegrain said:
The cameras protect the jurisdictions from frivolous lawsuits against their officers, why would they want to deprive themselves of the ability to defend themselves in court w video evidence?
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Body cams are a double-edged sword, as you say- they can protect against lawsuits, but body cams can also uncover officer misconduct or mishandling in their public contact.
 
Nathan said:
Body cams are a double-edged sword, as you say- they can protect against lawsuits, but body cams can also uncover officer misconduct or mishandling in their public contact.
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Well that goes w/out saying, just trying to make the point that the post I commented on was not factual to begin with and removing cameras made no sense based on the comments about people lying about police or their own behavior.

Body-worn cameras are all good with me.
 
againstthegrain said:
Goggle showed no results when queried about removing body-worn cameras from service.

The cameras protect the jurisdictions from frivolous lawsuits against their officers, why would they want to deprive themselves of the ability to defend themselves in court w video evidence?
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the items around the questions are usually brought up by criminal defense or privacy concerns vs the jurisdiction having concernsother then upkeep and costs associated.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/05/12/body-worn-cameras-dont-prevent-police-violence/

The above link is a very recent discussion on the use

Different places have different policies / rules on control on the type of cameras used and storage and even selective turn them on and off by officer then issues about what or how to release footage etc

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/02/us/police-body-cameras-andrew-brown-north-carolina.html

I know the intent was to have police maintain professional stance and hopefully ALSO deter public / criminals from attacking or abusing officers as well....
Studies have seen mixed results ..... now some places hire a third party vendor that can provide Redaction of video ......careful edits and or fights over releasing such videos.

as seen in a few items carefully edited or partial videos present a whole different picture........

Now i have read ideas that to cut down or minimize other possible hostile interactions body cameras are being looked at for ........
Medical visits / retail clerks / customer service etc .............

If we believe we can only trust / behave and be civil and less litigious......... IF recorded then ....... In my opinion ............we have a lot more problems.
 
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