Why I Talk about Grape Seed Extract So Much (Memory Loss and Cancers and more)

I believe I said somewhere here if a person takes a pharma blood thinner then caution, can't take both.

If going for a surgery, be off GSE about a week or so before surgery as it thins the blood and cleans the blood, then as I have gone on GSE shortly after hip replacement so to keep from clotting. This along with aspirin therapy which surgeon had me do.

I have absolutely no fear of this supplement in the soon 25 yrs of taking it and it's kept me away from m any doctor offices, like dentists and eye docs. GSE addresses gums and eyes.
 

Keesha said:
One can’t take too many antioxidants. That part is right. The only problem with this particular antioxidant is that it is anti viral, antibacterial and antifungal and acts like an antibiotic and as such has the ability to throw our delicate balance of bacteria off and potentially harm our immune system.
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I don't believe you should even wander into this antioxidant...too much fear sounding coming from you.
 
RadishRose said:
"The FDA has not evaluated the information contained within this website.

The products and information presented herein are not intended to diagnose, cure or prevent any disease."
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That's right, the FDA approves all the drugs that do so much harm. Been down that road.

Pharma can't make money on the Grape, can't patent that one.
 

Even companies make mistakes, sounds like this antioxidant is not for you to wander into either holly. Too much fear is what I hear.


One thing I don't hear from this group MOSTLY is an enthusiasm for improved health without drugs. One or two members I've talked with seem to be but generally I don't feel it here. One has to have commitment and not want to take all the drugs.

No enthusiasm, don't.
 
Happyflowerlady said:
I have never used grape seed in any form; but as far as I know, it is supposed to be a good thing, and I think that it is only natural to want to share something that has helped us a lot.
I know that we all see people who are suffering from some kind of pain or disability, and we want to share with them, whatever has worked for us. The other side to that, is that we are all different, and would do different things to take care of ourselves.

Since I had the heart problems, I started learning about anti-inflammatory foods, and inflammatory foods. We all know that inflammation causes pain, but often still eat foods that cause inflammation.
I have found that I feel much better when I stay away from the foods that cause inflammation, or at least limit the amount and how often I eat them.

I do not think that anyone should feel like they are being pressured to change their style of eating , or living, just because someone shares what has helped them to live a better life. It is something that we all do because we care about other people, and want them to feel better and live a better life.
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You are absolutely right. It’s a natural desire to want to help people. That’s an noble thing to do and nobody should be discouraged from helping people. If it weren’t for these types of people we wouldn’t have such a large and diverse selection of information online for all to benefit from. Unfortunately not all information is accurate or up to date but individually that’s our responsibility to decipher what’s accurate or not. There’s nothing wrong with doing this.


Creating threads like this for people to discuss natural options for health related illnesses does no harm. People can read it if they choose or not. Posting our choices on threads where other members are giving their choices and following the advice of their doctors and stating all the reason why it’s wrong is another thing altogether.


We each make choices for ourselves and hope that these choices are the best choices for us personally. We put faith into our choices which greatly aids in our overall well being. The placebo effect should not be ruled out or underestimated in helping the healing process.


Placebo effect is a beneficial effect produced by a placebo drug or treatment which cannot be attributed to the properties of the placebo itself, therefore must be due to the patients belief in the treatment. Here is an article written by Harvard Medical Publishing from Harvard Medical School.


https://www.health.harvard.edu/mental-health/the-power-of-the-placebo-effect


They have discovered that the placebo effect can be as effective as traditional treatments and in most surveys conducted the placebo effect is included. It’s THAT powerful but even these professionals will ALWAYS add a disclaimer stating that the information SHOULD NEVER be used as a substitute for medical advise from your doctor or other qualified practitioner.


Most people have faith that their doctors have their best interests at heart and this faith and belief is a HUGE part of their healing so continuously challenging these beliefs by adding contradictory information can be damaging. Never mind the fact that these are older members in the last stages of their lives.
Most don’t want to take these types of risks at that age.


Some of us here are accustomed to using natural substances to help heal us and those close to us. It’s as natural to us as the sun rising each morning. To others who are used to conventional methods, this type of information looks like witchcraft ; just use this snake oil and you’ll feel like ....... yadda, yadda, yadda..


It’s natural to want to jump in and help people but it’s not always wanted or appreciated nor is it always helpful. I’m discovering this with my aging parents. There is so much I could help them with but I have to respect their right to say “I don’t want your help. I didn’t ask you for it. “ Continuing to help when others have clearly stated they aren’t interested can be considered a form of harassment.


In saying all of this, I sincerely think jamin’s intentions are most sincere.
 
I can't help but think about 3 people in my life who ended up dying of cancer, 2 ladies from my bridge crowd and my son in law. I had attempted to get them to take Grape Seed Ex for some time, SIL for many years but all resisted.

The main reason I started on Pycnogenol and then Grape Seed Ex, we were told "MAY" prevent cancers. That was in 1995 and today there is so much out there about Grape Seed Ex and cancers and even many cancer research hospitals are using it in their research.

Again, one has to have a mindset for a MORE natural healing and I could not be more enthused.


And as I've said the doctors have NO interest in more natural healing, they need their patients to be sick and need them for their drugs.

And I'm sure the Grape Seed Industry isn't funding the medical schools as many drug companies are.
 
You were already talking about possible side effects and I think you mentioned dizzy issues. It's not nonsense but may be for you Keesha. Again, forget about it, if you are well, doing good, then don't.
 
jaminhealth said:
You were already talking about possible side effects and I think you mentioned dizzy issues. It's not nonsense but may be for you Keesha. Again, forget about it, if you are well, doing good, then don't.
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And you missed all the other information I pointed out?
You don’t wish to discuss this topic. All you wish to do is dictate to others why they should listen to you and get extremely agitated by anyone who questions you. This is the very reason I wanted you to create a separate thread.
If you wish to debate instead of dictate then I’m your girl. :hatlaugh:
 
Jamming health- please address these disclaimers forund on these websites you're citing, such as Health NUT, for example.

"The FDA has not evaluated the information contained within this website.

The products and information presented herein are not intended to diagnose, cure or prevent any disease."
 
I'm not here to debate, Keesha, either embrace the info or let it go. So as not to waste all the info, I've posted the thread on the Natural Medicine group which I believe is affiliated with this Senior group. Totally opposite mindsets.

I see nothing to debate, it's worked in my life for a long time and will continue to.

I have offered so much info on this topic but why would I debate it. Again, it's probably not for you to go to.
 
And if you go back to my original post and why I posted, I don't think anyone here relishes the thought of ending up with cancers and memory loss issues like Alzheimers but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe most don't think as I do. And if there are paths to possible prevention, why the H not.
 
jaminhealth said:
I'm not here to debate, Keesha, either embrace the info or let it go. So as not to waste all the info, I've posted the thread on the Natural Medicine group which I believe is affiliated with this Senior group. Totally opposite mindsets.

I see nothing to debate, it's worked in my life for a long time and will continue to.

I have offered so much info on this topic but why would I debate it. Again, it's probably not for you to go to.
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Whether I debate with you regarding the info you have posted isn’t your choice.
Like I’ve stated several times, that would be dictating YOUR CHOICE to others, only. :shrug:
Did you expect to just have a thread going on natural remedies with only your perspective added or appreciated?
Thats not the least bit realistic or gonna happen.
 
RadishRose said:
Jamming health- please address these disclaimers forund on these websites you're citing, such as Health NUT, for example.
"The FDA has not evaluated the information contained within this website.
The products and information presented herein are not intended to diagnose, cure or prevent any disease."
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Actually, this is probably going to show up on ANY kind of a natural treatment, and there are good reasons why it does. For one thing, no company is going to spend time and major money to run tests on a product that they can’t patent and sell and make the money back.
So, most natural products, food or otherwise, are never tested and evaluated, and unless they are tested, they can’t be sold as a product to “diagnose, cure, or prevent” any disease, even if they work perfectly for that.

Another reason is that some things simply cannot be tested with the “double-blind” test, which is how they determine if the healing effect is real, or is a placebo effect.
One great example of that would be DMSO (dimethylsulfoxide), which does a great job of stopping pain, and is also used for many other reasons. However, as soon as you put it on your skin anywhere, you can taste it in your mouth, so there is no way to do a blind test with DMSO.

Cancer cells only live on sugar in the blood, but most doctors don’t tell someone that a change in diet could starve the cancer to death. Chemotherapy is much more lucrative than a ketogenic diet recommendation would be, but not necessarily any more effective.
Grapes have a substance in them that kills cancer cells (maybe the reason that grape seed extract is effective at preventing cancer), and one old-time remedy for cancer was to eat fresh grapes on an empty stomach, basically a grape fast.
Here is a link to an article about the effectiveness of this method, and it is just one example of treatments which were used (and worked) using natural remedies, before medicines were such a money-producing product when artificially made.

https://alternativehealth.co.nz/cancer/grapediet/grape.htm
 
I know we'll never see ads running across our tvs saying: Grape Seed Extract reduces chances of cancer and then ads stating the same for Alzheimers. The grape industry can't/won't spend millions to get this info to the public.
 
Happyflowerlady said:
Actually, this is probably going to show up on ANY kind of a natural treatment, and there are good reasons why it does. For one thing, no company is going to spend time and major money to run tests on a product that they can’t patent and sell and make the money back.
So, most natural products, food or otherwise, are never tested and evaluated, and unless they are tested, they can’t be sold as a product to “diagnose, cure, or prevent” any disease, even if they work perfectly for that.

Another reason is that some things simply cannot be tested with the “double-blind” test, which is how they determine if the healing effect is real, or is a placebo effect.
One great example of that would be DMSO (dimethylsulfoxide), which does a great job of stopping pain, and is also used for many other reasons. However, as soon as you put it on your skin anywhere, you can taste it in your mouth, so there is no way to do a blind test with DMSO.

Cancer cells only live on sugar in the blood, but most doctors don’t tell someone that a change in diet could starve the cancer to death. Chemotherapy is much more lucrative than a ketogenic diet recommendation would be, but not necessarily any more effective.
Grapes have a substance in them that kills cancer cells (maybe the reason that grape seed extract is effective at preventing cancer), and one old-time remedy for cancer was to eat fresh grapes on an empty stomach, basically a grape fast.
Here is a link to an article about the effectiveness of this method, and it is just one example of treatments which were used (and worked) using natural remedies, before medicines were such a money-producing product when artificially made.

https://alternativehealth.co.nz/cancer/grapediet/grape.htm
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Sadly Cancer is a huge lucrative business for pharma and Western medicine. People end up dying with $1000's of dollars of drugs in their damaged bodies.

And yes I know, some live.
 
jaminhealth said:
Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill....again Choice and we're all adults here.
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Not a mountain out of a molehill.
I suggested a thread so that the topic could be discussed along with other holistic options but you don’t wish to discuss anything unless the information echos yours. Out of everything I added you decided to only discuss one sentence and that was concerning the side effects of taking the extract which caused dizziness , nausea and stomach upset . Instead of addressing them you instead chose to state, out of the blue that I was fearful.

Why you would state that any of the information I have posted here , was done from fear;it makes zero sense.

I thought it would be great to have a thread about holistic alternatives for those interested and that includes ALL points of view; not just the ones that you like. Side effects are a VERY REAL part of taking natural medicines just like conventional ones. There usually aren’t as many but they shouldn’t be discarded.

Disuadung members from heeding to their doctors advice I don’t consider a ‘molehill’
 
Keesha said:
Not a mountain out of a molehill.
I suggested a thread so that the topic could be discussed along with other holistic options but you don’t wish to discuss anything unless the information echos yours. Out of everything I added you decided to only discuss one sentence and that was concerning the side effects of taking the extract which was dizziness , nausea and stomach upset . Instead of addressing them you instead chose to state, out of the blue that I was fearful.
Why you would address any of the information I have posted here out of fear makes zero sense?
I thought it would be great to have a thread about holistic alternatives for those interested and that includes ALL points of view; not just the ones that you like. Side effects are a VERY REAL part of taking natural medicines just like conventional ones.
There usually aren’t as many but they shouldn’t be discarded.

Disuadung members from heeding to their doctors advice I don’t consider a ‘molehill’
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I don't want to seem to be attacking you, Jam, I genunely was interested in learning more about the grapeseed extract, because I suffer from OA..... but I have to agree with Keesha, you're completely on the defensive if anyone questions the possible side effects or and or lack of research into this.

I too was accused of being fearful for stating that a link you posted promoting GSE..was written badly... yet you seem to feel that we should all accept blindly your promotion of this without any real evidence.

if it works for you, that's fantastic.. but you have to bear in mind there are people your age and much older on this forum who have never needed to take GSE and have managed to get to great ages without it... so if you feel that's what got you to 80 years old without any real evidence that it works , that's genuinely great, but you cannot be dismissive of those who not only were willing to read your many, Many posts on this subject but were interested enough to question the validity of your claims before embarking on a regime of supplements ...
 
Caregivers are taking care of millions who did not do nutritional supplements holly.

I've posted as much as I'm going to and if anyone cares to go further it's their decision.

Read the history of Grape Seed Extract and it's founder from France...Dr. Masqualier. There I'm giving you more info.

I have worked on this supp for 25 yrs and bought every book I could buy and that's what has worked in my life. I know most of you are older than I am now, but I was 57 when I started with Grape Seed Ex and earlier for other supps like Vit C and Vit E and the earlier supps and since then many many new ones have come to us. Beats the drugs from pharma any day.

And I didn't NEED to take Grape Seed Ex, I chose to when I heard from the panel of MD's and researchers that it MAY prevent cancers...that was my NEED, I want to prevent cancers.....and then so much more has evolved over many yrs. I'm giving you all so much good NEW info and I did years of work for my own health as I have a great thirst to keep healthy to my end. Whenever that will be.

My eye health, gum health, good hearing, no diabetes, and it goes on and on.

But it doesn't undo surgery damage.
 
In the list of issues Grape Seed Ex addresses, Diabetes is listed. I was just reading a lot of posts in a Caregiver's group on people "stopping dialysis".... and some of the stories on this disease. Here is just another reason to truly consider Grape Seed Ex. I don't know of any diabetes in my family so don't know many with it. I have a friend who deals with it and she's been on every drug, with every side effect and at one point I finally got her to start with Grape Seed Ex and she kept coming back to me "I can't swallow the capsules"...I gave up.

https://grapese.com/battling-type-2-diabetes-with-grape-seed-extract
 
If I said that, I didn't mean it...I misspoke and mistyped...I meant I am older than most here. I'd probably say most are 50-60's and some closer to my age, but not many. I started taking it when I was 57, that how old I was when I found it, and after on it a short time and having the results I was, got my mom on it and she was 85 or so at the time. I remember like it was yesterday talking to her 3000 miles away and her voice was clearer, she said no more colds and no more cold sores. She died at 91. She would be 110 today.
 
jaminhealth said:
I know we'll never see ads running across our tvs saying: Grape Seed Extract reduces chances of cancer and then ads stating the same for Alzheimers. The grape industry can't/won't spend millions to get this info to the public.
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That's because they have no scientific data to back up those claims.
 
Then you can say that for all nutritional supplements, how often do you see TV ads for Vit C, magnesium, calcium (maybe there but I don't remember any), ViT D .... none of these can be patented by big YOU KNOW WHO.... I say baloney to a lot of so called science, who funds all that science, lots of money to those scientists....

Everything that it truly important for our health, no TV ads.

And there has been plenty of science and testing done on MANY of the nutritional supplements millions are now going to.

I've always wondered why the Grape industry doesn't gave TV ads for real healing with superfoods, could be they don't want to spend billions on TV ads and as I've seen it for all my years of taking supps, it's so much a word of mouth of letting others know your benefits, and how you stay out of doctor's offices. Plus there are just too many naysayers out there...who would get up and walk away from the TV if a grape seed ex ad appeared.
 

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