Would You Live In Paradise?

Would you live in Paradise?


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SifuPhil

R.I.P. With Us In Spirit Only
I'm a fan of the old Star Trek TV series and happily our local oldies channel is showing them every Saturday night. This past Saturday they had an episode where the intrepid captain and crew of the Enterprise encounter a planet where the spores from a certain plant give perfect health and happiness to the inhabitants of the planet. It even prolongs their lives by a major period of time (can you say "Cenegenics", boys and girls?).

Of course good ol' Captain Kirk wrecks everything in the name of intergalactic decency and the show ends with the residents leaving the planet to be relocated to another world. In my mind the plot was a cheat, because the biggest argument that was presented for leaving the planet was that the people weren't facing any challenges, challenges that as Kirk gave in his standard stirring speech "are necessary for the human race to grow".

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Now I don't know about you folks, but at this stage of the game I could easily do without challenges and would welcome the opportunity to live in a place where there's only happiness and good health.

How about you? If you were given the chance to live in such a place would you take it? Or would you choose not to, because it isn't "in the natural order of things"?
 

Hey, isn't that the picture of that Cenegenics fellow we were just chatting with, sitting at his keyboard after a shot of T?? :playful: I'm not sure, I'd have to check it out first. I'd have to have my husband there with me, and some nice animals, and not many other people at all if possible. I don't care about the natural order of things, but I'd want to test the water first, before taking the big leap.
 
This brings back memories of the old movie "Cocoon", where a bunch of old people have the chance to travel to another planet where they will never get old. Not sure how that worked since they were old when they left, have to watch it again sometime.

There was a sequel, Cocoon 2 in which they come back to earth for a visit, and must decide whether or not to stay.

Paradise, like happiness is subjective..what may be to one, not so much for another. That's why people retire in all sorts of different places. I guess you would have to define paradise before I packed my bags.

Phil..off topic...but... they obviously didn't see your avatar before they picked Ben Afleck for the new Batman!:playful:
 

Excuse my cynicism but human nature being what it is that could be a sentence to an eternity of warfare and mayhem as there again is the question of what constitutes 'happiness'?
The vision of friendly smiling dials and nice cosy and comforting chats, surrounded by doves, and butterflies, all set in a hazy golden glow is probably the vision many have of heaven. Personally it would drive me nuts of boredom in about a day. My brain would die without something to wonder about or solve. I see the scriptwriters point but..... Who's happiness does it cater to and what about the ones who prefer it 'hotter'??
Gonna be a fight.

Maybe an age limit on it, or only the terminal admitted. Most productive ideas are coming from the young and middle of the demographic so no entry until 60 or 70 so.

Or easier still, those who want to live that way just need a pre-frontal lobotomy and bobsya.

I read a book years ago called "My First 2000 Years." about a man 'cursed' with immortality until Jesus returned. It followed him through history, all the things he got to witness and experience and for the first few centuries he didn't see it as a curse. He had a fantastic time. But when he'd accumulated unimagined riches, and tried everything, (and everyone) he realized that he was bored to the extent that he enjoyed nothing and kept ramping up the risks and 'experiments' to feel alive. This was risky as if he injured, or 'killed' himself he couldn't die. The story had no end as such, as Jesus hasn't gotten back yet. But he was a poor sad shell totally jaded and depressed and at the mercy of, as it was put, "The Great God Ennui" Wouldn't wanna go that way, sorry.

But it wasn't up to Kirk to decide was it?

... I can't believe that I remember that ep from decades ago. I don't watch the reruns, too painful. It reminded me of the book which says how long ago it was that I read that too!
 
Hey, isn't that the picture of that Cenegenics fellow we were just chatting with, sitting at his keyboard after a shot of T?? :playful: I'm not sure, I'd have to check it out first. I'd have to have my husband there with me, and some nice animals, and not many other people at all if possible. I don't care about the natural order of things, but I'd want to test the water first, before taking the big leap.

A nice, safe answer. And for whatever reason there were no animals there - they never really explained that, but these settlers were on a farm and the landing party remarked that there were no cows or horses - just people and vegetation. The leader explained that they were vegetarians, though ...

This brings back memories of the old movie "Cocoon", where a bunch of old people have the chance to travel to another planet where they will never get old. Not sure how that worked since they were old when they left, have to watch it again sometime.

There was a sequel, Cocoon 2 in which they come back to earth for a visit, and must decide whether or not to stay.

I'll have to watch them - they were 2 movies that I did my "half-watch" routine on.

Paradise, like happiness is subjective..what may be to one, not so much for another. That's why people retire in all sorts of different places. I guess you would have to define paradise before I packed my bags.

For whatever reason, they also developed a hive-mind, so they were all simpatico with each other.

Phil..off topic...but... they obviously didn't see your avatar before they picked Ben Afleck for the new Batman!:playful:

TELL me about it - I DID send in my head-shots, though ...

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Excuse my cynicism but human nature being what it is that could be a sentence to an eternity of warfare and mayhem as there again is the question of what constitutes 'happiness'?
The vision of friendly smiling dials and nice cosy and comforting chats, surrounded by doves, and butterflies, all set in a hazy golden glow is probably the vision many have of heaven. Personally it would drive me nuts of boredom in about a day. My brain would die without something to wonder about or solve. I see the scriptwriters point but..... Who's happiness does it cater to and what about the ones who prefer it 'hotter'??
Gonna be a fight.

Yup, that was basically Jim Kirk's plea to them (with his standard over-acting LOL) - that we NEED challenges and problems to make us whole. That's the thing I'm wondering about, though ... if a drug (for that's pretty much what they were shooting at here - they liked to put little morality plays into the scripts) could make you totally blissful, in a beautiful but bland environment ... no animals ... a small band (12 or so) of people ... you all get along great ... would I do it?

Maybe an age limit on it, or only the terminal admitted. Most productive ideas are coming from the young and middle of the demographic so no entry until 60 or 70 so.

Or easier still, those who want to live that way just need a pre-frontal lobotomy and bobsya.

They seemed to range in age from late 20's (the hot love interest of Spock's - Jill Ireland) to the leader's late 60's. The episode was This Side of Paradise, by the way - the 24th episode of the first season, for the nerds among us ...

I read a book years ago called "My First 2000 Years." about a man 'cursed' with immortality until Jesus returned. It followed him through history, all the things he got to witness and experience and for the first few centuries he didn't see it as a curse. He had a fantastic time. But when he'd accumulated unimagined riches, and tried everything, (and everyone) he realized that he was bored to the extent that he enjoyed nothing and kept ramping up the risks and 'experiments' to feel alive. This was risky as if he injured, or 'killed' himself he couldn't die. The story had no end as such, as Jesus hasn't gotten back yet. But he was a poor sad shell totally jaded and depressed and at the mercy of, as it was put, "The Great God Ennui" Wouldn't wanna go that way, sorry.

That's one of the reasons why I was such a fan-boy for the Highlander series - same premise but he handled it a bit differently.

But it wasn't up to Kirk to decide was it?

As usual, Kirk & Co. tore azz around the known (and unknown) universe spouting the Prime Directive - don't interfere with other life forms - then promptly breaking that directive every day of the week and twice on Sundays, all at Jimmie-boy's narcissistic whim.

In short, no, it was NOT up to him - but he did it anyway. Probably got a commendation for original thinking to boot, the schmuck.

... I can't believe that I remember that ep from decades ago. I don't watch the reruns, too painful. It reminded me of the book which says how long ago it was that I read that too!

Sheeeee ... I still watch Bugs Bunny and THAT was originally over 50 years ago - not a problem. ;)
 
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What would constitute 'Paradise' to us?

Design your own.

I've tried but to keep it interesting enough to last eternity it's gotten way to complex. Eternity is a really long time to stay entertained.
If we only want unchanging peace then we may as well be dead anyway right?

It'd be interesting to see how others pictures theirs though. :)
 
OK Di my idea of paradise would be to walk into a shop and see they have new bodies for sale, i sure could do with one right now, i keep asking when i go into shops but they always say they are out of stock, it would be heaven to be able to swap, i'll go for one about 30 yrs old thanks :oops: wrong one, here 'tis
 
Paradise for me would be weather 78 degrees during the day and 10 degrees cooler at night, no humidity, a soft intermittent breeze, no horrible storms, no ticks, chiggers, pest bugs of any kind or snakes, no poison ivy or oak, lots of clean blue water nearby, clear blue sky with big fluffy white clouds, continually stocked fridge and bar without having to shop, and someone to cook and wash the damned dishes, a matched pair of driving Arabians and a fully restored antique driving buggy, a house with ceiling to floor glass walls so I could always see everything outside, a bedroom with a huge skylight so I could lay in bed at night and see the stars.

As for where that place might be,
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In reality though, wouldn't it be wonderful if this were possible:
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Paradise for me would be weather 78 degrees during the day and 10 degrees cooler at night, no humidity, a soft intermittent breeze, no horrible storms, no ticks, chiggers, pest bugs of any kind or snakes, no poison ivy or oak, lots of clean blue water nearby, clear blue sky with big fluffy white clouds, continually stocked fridge and bar without having to shop, and someone to cook and wash the damned dishes, a matched pair of driving Arabians and a fully restored antique driving buggy, a house with ceiling to floor glass walls so I could always see everything outside, a bedroom with a huge skylight so I could lay in bed at night and see the stars.
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You can have this in the US if you introduce a Carbon (dioxide) Tax to fix the climate. It's an Al-Gore-ithm. ;)
 
There are only 15 cities in the United States that are called "Paradise", but 25 that have the word "Coal" in their names. :confused:

Kind of makes you wonder ...
 
Okay . . . gonna stop being silly for a minute (damn, I dread these moments...)

My idea of living in paradise (besides great waves, perfect temps, good music, good food and pretty girls...) would be, IS(!) a world where everyone is sincerely and genuinely kind, friendly and helpful; a life where we all pull together, pitch in and help each other. Actually, something we tried as youngsters oh so long ago . . . and it actually worked for a short time. Long live flower power!
 
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Okay . . . gonna stop being silly for a minute (damn, I dread these moments...)

My idea of living in paradise (besides great waves, perfect temps, good music, good food and pretty girls...) would be, IS(!) a world where everyone is sincerely and genuinely kind, friendly and helpful; a life where we all pull together, pitch in and help each other. Actually, something we tried as youngsters oh so long ago . . . and it actually worked for a short time. Long live flower power!

Ah, but see what happened to that group after that short time ... the same ol' petty rivalries and jealousies and power-trips and criminal tendencies surfaced and destroyed the group.

I think it's possible to achieve, if not perfection, then at least highly pleasant living conditions. The problem is that that is predicated on having plenty of filthy moola. That's the only way you can afford to buy a large enough piece of property in the right place and set it up so that you aren't bothered by the outside world.

Because as soon as the outside world comes knocking on Paradise's door, there goes the neighborhood.

Oh, they've tried it - many times, in many places. But Paradise always falls.
 

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