YUP,America is going to hell.

[QuickSilver]

This has nothing to do with being sensitive to religion. This has every thing to do with equal application of the law. Driving is not a right,when you chose to maintain a drivers license,you agree to all the rules attendant. Having your face on your license is one of them.
All over this nation the Amish are required in violation of their beleifs to mark their buggies with flashing lights or reflective markings. In order to maintain a social civilization there needs to be some level compliance with things that may run counter to your personal ideals.

Suppose the law was that everyone be required to have a nude photograph on their drivers license? Would you comply. According to the tenets of their religion having their faces and bare arms visible to anyone but their husband is a sin and akin to them appearing nude.. Do you not understand why some exceptions are the right thing to do...?? Sometime a bit of understanding and empathy is a good thing... NO?

 

[BobF]

Suppose the law was that everyone be required to have a nude photograph on their drivers license? Would you comply. According to the tenets of their religion having their faces and bare arms visible to anyone but their husband is a sin and akin to them appearing nude.. Do you not understand why some exceptions are the right thing to do...?? Sometime a bit of understanding and empathy is a good thing... NO?

Being covered head to toe is not part of the Quran teachings at all. Those are just directives of certain groups leaders so just go without driving privaleges if you don't abide by the laws of the land, city, state where you live. The words used in the Quran are modesty.

 

[QuickSilver]

Many customs and practices of some sects of Christians do not appear in the Bible either.. or are a very literal interpretation. Quite a few Christian traditions are actually pagan in origin.. as a matter of fact.. nearly ALL of the Christmas traditions are pagan... from the Yule Log to the Christmas tree and wreaths... Nothing at all to do with the Bible..

 

[AZ Jim]

But her face wouldn't show at all in a traditional burqa which covers a woman from head to toe. I think this was Davey's point. Her face would be completely hidden. Hardly any point in taking a picture at all.

But his premise is untrue. Full face concealment is illegal on drivers licenses that was my point.

 

[QuickSilver]

http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/documents/LWVJ.pdf



Over the years CAIR has received numerous reports from driver’s license applicants claiming


that they were denied religious accommodation. CAIR has obtained public records from


driver’s license agencies in all states. This review reached the following findings:


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Religious accommodation issues impact men and women in the Christian, Jewish, Sikh,



and Muslim communities.


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Most states, except Georgia, Kentucky and New Hampshire, have addressed religious



accommodation concerns in codes, policy manuals or administrative practices.


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Five states—Arkansas, Mississippi, Kansas, Missouri, and Maine—recognize only certain



religious practices.


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The other 42 states have adopted more inclusive approaches to religious accommodation



policies.


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Contrary to earlier news reports, the trend in favor of religious accommodation increased



after 9/11. While three states—California and the Carolinas— scaled back some of their


religious exemptions, six states—Alabama, Maine, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah, and West


Virginia—increased the exemptions





Face veils





Departments of motor vehicles vary considerably in their treatment of veiled women.


Many states do not allow pictures with face covering





The following twenty-two states fall in this category: Alabama, Colorado, Delaware, Florida,


Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico,


New York, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin, and


Wyoming.


Many states are silent on the issue





Nineteen states are included in this category. These are: Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, Georgia,


Iowa, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, New


Hampshire, North Dakota, Ohio, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Texas, and Vermont.


Several states offer specific accommodations





Nine states fall into this category.


South Carolina, Michigan and West Virginia allow veiled women privacy in taking a fullfaced


picture.


Kansas, Pennsylvania and Indiana allow veiled women a no-photo driver’s license.


Montana exempts religious veils from the requirement of a full-faced picture.


Washington allows pictures of veiled women, but stipulates that such driver’s licenses are


not valid for identification purposes.


Nevada allows photos with “drastic alteration of appearance.”

 

[Debby]

This has nothing to do with being sensitive to religion. This has every thing to do with equal application of the law. Driving is not a right,when you chose to maintain a drivers license,you agree to all the rules attendant. Having your face on your license is one of them.
All over this nation the Amish are required in violation of their beleifs to mark their buggies with flashing lights or reflective markings. In order to maintain a social civilization there needs to be some level compliance with things that may run counter to your personal ideals.

I was under the impression that the original article's point had been invalidated....that they aren't allowed to cover their face so why are several here still talking as though they are?

 

[Debby]

Being covered head to toe is not part of the Quran teachings at all. Those are just directives of certain groups leaders so just go without driving privaleges if you don't abide by the laws of the land, city, state where you live. The words used in the Quran are modesty.

And the Bible doesn't insist that you confess your sins to some guy in a box and then do penance but the Catholics insist on it as necessary. Every denomination or religious body has their symbols and dogma and as long as they abide by our laws (photo on DL) who cares if they chose to dress more modestly than most of us?

We just got over a stupid fight over new immigrants wearing a niqab when they take the oath of citizenship and the naysayers made a point of not mentioning the fact that prior to a Muslim woman taking the oath, she has to uncover her face in front of a female official to have her identity verified. Is this a similar situation where a writer is attempting to sway public opinion against Muslims by not telling all the truth?

 

[Davey Jones]

re: burqa in Ill, Looks like I was outdated. Sorry about that...

Wonder what a cop does when he stops one with a burqa after asking for a drivers license.
We all know some cops are not going to accept it. Stay tuned to evening news.

 

[Cookie]

Why are some people worried about it anyway? Is it fear that Muslims will take over the world? Davy, usually ladies who wear burqas aren't driving, the men are.

 

[Davey Jones]

 

[imp]

"Suppose the law was that everyone be required to have a nude photograph on their drivers license"

I'd IMMEDIATELY apply for a job at the Bureau of Motor Vehicles! :magnify:

imp

 

[chic]

Being covered head to toe is not part of the Quran teachings at all. Those are just directives of certain groups leaders so just go without driving privaleges if you don't abide by the laws of the land, city, state where you live. The words used in the Quran are modesty.

I agree to an extent. Driving is a privilege, not a right. Play by the rules or don't drive. Why is there not separation of church and state in this issue? It would cause less confusion. No one is forcing a muslim woman to do anything she considers immoral. She just won't be able to drive a motor vehicle. What's so bad about that?

 

[QuickSilver]

I agree to an extent. Driving is a privilege, not a right. Play by the rules or don't drive. Why is there not separation of church and state in this issue? It would cause less confusion. No one is forcing a muslim woman to do anything she considers immoral. She just won't be able to drive a motor vehicle. What's so bad about that?

said with a healthy dose of sarcasm..