The Jesus Strand: Scientists want to clone the Messiah

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The Jesus Strand: Scientists want to clone the Messiah


Putting history and science together Geneticist George Busby and biblical scholar Pastor Joe Basile study holy relics, including the bones of John the Baptist, hoping to retrieve a sample of DNA that belongs to Jesus or a member of his family.




Found in 1898 the most studied artifact in history


Jesuses Blood type AB


Note: and there’s no way that blood could have placed on the cloth afterwards


The shroud is 2,000 years old is not a forgery


Oxford university has the oldest books in the world including a bible written 200 years before the King James Version. (?)


John the Baptist the 2nd cousin of Jesus


Found under the ruins of a church were his bones. DNA testing proves it’s from the first century which is the same year he was born.


The bones of John the Baptist were shown. The bones from his right hand which was significant to the scriptures.


University of Copenhagen matched the DNA to John the Baptist - (missed how that happened)


Christian archeologists are excited about this.


University of Tel Aviv


Nails were found which are thought to have been the ones that were out through Jesus Christ’s hands and feet.




Problems came about when they found a tomb of where they figured Jesus was finally buried WITH his FAMILY, presumably the wife being Mary Magdalene. This didn’t jive well with some of the researchers since some were VERY religious and seemed to not accept some basic facts found and personal beliefs or bias have no place in scientific research.
There is no recorded history of Jesus ever having a son which also frustrated some since evidence of one was found.


Unfortunately the biblical scholar failed to fully investigate the tomb in Tailplot since it contradicted his beliefs.


This documentary shows that the DNA of the man on the shroud of Turin is associated with Druze. Jethro, Moses father in law as their father and Jesus as a descendant of Moses through Moses wife Zipporah , Jethros daughter.


It’s disappointing that they wouldn’t give a sample of DNA for the independent researchers to study but overall the documentary was interesting.


Here’s the Documentary if anyone would like to watch it.


https://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/the-jesus-strand-a-search-for-dna/1053646/


A summary of it


https://ossurworld.com/tag/the-jesus-strand/




https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/100547190

Note: I watched this tonight.
 

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There are a few things wrong with this article. Perhaps more than a few.
IMO this is pseudo science at best and I use the word science very loosely.

Keesha said:
The Jesus Strand: Scientists want to clone the Messiah


Putting history and science together Geneticist George Busby and biblical scholar Pastor Joe Basile study holy relics, including the bones of John the Baptist, hoping to retrieve a sample of DNA that belongs to Jesus or a member of his family.


Found in 1898 the most studied artifact in history


Jesuses Blood type AB

Note: and there’s no way that blood could have placed on the cloth afterwards
Afterwards? After what?

The shroud is 2,000 years old is not a forgery
This statement needs verification. There are different conclusions as to the age of the shroud.

Wikipedia [h=4]Radiocarbon dating[edit][/h]Main article: Radiocarbon dating of the Shroud of Turin
After years of discussion, the Holy See permitted radiocarbon dating on portions of a swatch taken from a corner of the shroud. Independent tests in 1988 at the University of Oxford, the University of Arizona, and the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology concluded with 95% confidence that the shroud material dated to 1260–1390 AD.[SUP][76][/SUP] This 13th- to 14th-century dating is much too recent for the shroud to have been associated with Jesus of Nazareth. The dating does on the other hand match the first appearance of the shroud in church history.[SUP][77][/SUP][SUP][78[/SUP]
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Oxford university has the oldest books in the world including a bible written 200 years before the King James Version. (?)
I don't think 200 years before the King James bible was written is all that old. In any case, what bearing does it have to do with the idea of cloning Jesus or the shroud of Turin?

John the Baptist the 2nd cousin of Jesus

Found under the ruins of a church were his bones. DNA testing proves it’s from the first century which is the same year he was born.
DNA testing does not, as far as I know, determine anything about the age of the sample.

The bones of John the Baptist were shown. The bones from his right hand which was significant to the scriptures.
Really. What was unique about his right hand?

University of Copenhagen matched the DNA to John the Baptist - (missed how that happened)
I don't recall any story about John producing children. Where would they have obtained a sample for comparison ?

Christian archeologists are excited about this.

University of Tel Aviv


Nails were found which are thought to have been the ones that were out through Jesus Christ’s hands and feet.
Found? Where? With the shroud? To me, this would be more likely to indicate that the shroud was not authentic but something assembled in the Middle Ages to tell the story of the crucifixion.

Problems came about when they found a tomb of where they figured Jesus was finally buried WITH his FAMILY, presumably the wife being Mary Magdalene. This didn’t jive well with some of the researchers since some were VERY religious and seemed to not accept some basic facts found (basic facts ?) and and personal beliefs or bias have no place in scientific research.
There is no recorded history of Jesus ever having a son which also frustrated some since evidence of one was found.
Evidence for claiming the tomb contained the remains of Jesus? I doubt that Yeshua, the Hebrew version of Jesus, was a unique name in Ancient Israel/Palestine


Unfortunately the biblical scholar failed to fully investigate the tomb in Tailplot since it contradicted his beliefs.
Where is Tailplot? I can find no reference to it other than something to do with mathematics and graphs.

This documentary shows that the DNA of the man on the shroud of Turin is associated with Druze. Jethro, Moses father in law as their father and Jesus as a descendant of Moses through Moses wife Zipporah , Jethros daughter.
The meaning of this sentence is hard to fathom. Was the DNA on the shroud similar to modern day Druze whose religion has its roots in Islam? And how does that prove anything about the DNA of Jesus?

It’s disappointing that they wouldn’t give a sample of DNA for the independent researchers to study but overall the documentary was interesting.


Here’s the Documentary if anyone would like to watch it.


https://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/the-jesus-strand-a-search-for-dna/1053646/


A summary of it


https://ossurworld.com/tag/the-jesus-strand/




https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/100547190

Note: I watched this tonight.
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Sorry to be so negative but we see a lot of documentaries that claim to have uncovered new evidence that proves certain biblical stories but they are about as reliable as a safety net made of cobweb.
 
Warrigal said:
There are a few things wrong with this article. Perhaps more than a few.
IMO this is pseudo science at best and I use the word science very loosely.



Sorry to be so negative but we see a lot of documentaries that claim to have uncovered new evidence that proves certain biblical stories but they are about as reliable as a safety net made of cobweb.
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I agree strongly with you on this Warri. In the first place, there is considerable doubt in the scientific community as to the authenticity of the shroud.
 
An interesting read Keesha, and I read your summary link too. There is so much related info out there but I'm comfortable with the simple fact that we all have a physical, biological body which dies, BUT our spiritual body aka soul lives on for eternity. DNA has nothing to do with the spiritual soul of man.

Jesus rose from the grave alive, both physically and spiritually and still lives. Even if someone did happen to find a DNA sample, it would be purely physical (missing the soul) and impossible to prove it belonged to Him. It wouldn't be the total embodiment of the spiritual soul of Jesus Christ, the Messiah.

I doubt God would leave any DNA behind anyway...remember, we can't dismiss His capabilities.

:rofl: haha Gary, you nut. Thanks for the morning laugh to start my day. It sure does look like you!
 
Thanks for the commentary but I did not make the documentary. I merely watched it and took some notes.
If you want a better understanding of it then you are best off watching it yourself.
Every human has DNA and apparently Jesus was one of them. ( according to my understanding )

Note : there were parts that I didn’t understand either but I still found it fascinating.
 
Also I made a mistake about the King Janes version bible since the final copy was completed in 1611.
For the record here I’m not trying to prove anything here nor start a religious debate
 
Warrigal said:
There are a few things wrong with this article. Perhaps more than a few.
IMO this is pseudo science at best and I use the word science very loosely.



Sorry to be so negative but we see a lot of documentaries that claim to have uncovered new evidence that proves certain biblical stories but they are about as reliable as a safety net made of cobweb.
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That’s ok Warrigal. I’m not the least bit offended. You can react however you choose.
My intention wasn’t to change anybody’s mind about their religion. The other day on another forum I saw information about the shroud, which I’d never heard anything about before but found interesting and this program came on last night.
From my perspective, I found it fascinating; some parts perhaps more believable than others but that’s how I feel about most things
 
Keesha said:
Every human has DNA and apparently Jesus was one of them. ( according to my understanding )
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Yes, I also think Jesus prossibly had DNA since He was God in human form (and human form was important in order to suffer and pay the price for human sin)...but what I said was, "I doubt if God would leave any DNA samples behind" for us to clone. I'm quite sure of it. And even if God did make that "mistake", DNA can only clone a physical body, not the soul. So it wouldn't really be the Messiah.

God can also destroy DNA if he wants to...or anything he wants to do.
 
Actually Lara, out of this entire documentary, the fact that they wanted to clone Jesus, ( if it was in fact him ) , I found extraordinarily CREEPY!
 
Warrigal said:
There are a few things wrong with this article. Perhaps more than a few.
IMO this is pseudo science at best and I use the word science very loosely.



Sorry to be so negative but we see a lot of documentaries that claim to have uncovered new evidence that proves certain biblical stories but they are about as reliable as a safety net made of cobweb.
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It may very well be that they might just be motivated to clone another, even more revered, 'shroud'



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The historical Jesus is always interesting, Keesha. Thanks for sharing what you've found, and for everyone else's input, too.

I remember feeling disappointed when the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin was disproved.

There are all kinds of theories and stories swirling around about Christ's family. One of them is that he did marry Mary of Magdalene and they had a daughter.

After the crucifixion and ascension, Mary M. and the daughter sailed away on a boat with a Joseph of Arimathea to, of all places, France. Some of this undocumented theory as been popularized in the book and movie "The Da Vinci Code".

While nothing is proven, these various ideas are still interesting to read about.
 
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RadishRose said:
The historical Jesus is always interesting, Keesha. Thanks for sharing what you've found, and for everyone else's input, too.

I remember feeling disappointed when the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin was disproved.

There are all kinds of theories and stories swirling around about Christ's family. One of them is that he did marry Mary of Magdalene and they had a daughter.

After the crucifixion and ascendance, Mary M. and the daughter sailed away on a boat with a Joseph of Arimathea to, of all places, France. Some of this undocumented theory as been popularized in the book and movie "The Da Vinci Code".

While nothing is proven, these various ideas are still interesting to read about.
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I didn’t know the authenticity was disproved but like yourself, I find the topic of historical Jesus very interesting.

The Da Vinci Code. That right. Great movie too.

For myself I find it somewhat comforting knowing that there’s information out there about Jesus and his disciplines apart from the biblical stories.
 
Capt Lightning said:
And at least Gary is real.
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Capt Lightning, so you DO believe in faith without proof then. Have you seen Gary in person? Sorry Gary, just making a point for this member who likes to bash faith in Jesus by those who have never seen Jesus in person...I believe you're real, Gary, reealllly real :laugh:
 
"God" was an alien. Almost a dozen major cultures have 'jesus' mythology predating Christian jesus mythology, along with stores of the flood, god coming down from the sky, etc. Interesting stories to read, but all myth unless you're a believer that the various 'gods' are offwordly.
 
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