Mass shootings - important safety information

Good advice. Last year I had gone into Burlington to buy something. It was shortly after opening, and I was one of the first customers in the store. The manager was doing a meeting up front by the checkouts. The topic was something to the effect of what to do if an armed gunman comes in shooting up the place. Sad. When I worked retail the topic was usually how to respond if we saw a shoplifter, or if someone came in to rob the place
 

That is a good video. If your a person who does not want to carry a concealed weapon, then following the actions stated in the video are good tools. We advise those that do not wish to carry a concealed weapon to do the following:

1. Identify the situation
2. Escape by dropping to the floor and crawling or whatever means you are able to do and still stay out of harm’s way
3. Hide, if your hiding place can be secure
4. Call for help
5. If you’re with others, work together as a team
6. If you’re cornered, act immediately by protecting yourself, if able, or attack the shooter, if able

If I was ever in a situation like the one in the video and did not have my gun, I would hope the shooter was not using a shotgun.
My wife carries a .25 magnum.
 
Well, maybe the shooter wouldn't have killed himself so early on if there had not been armed police there to force his hand. So probably, IMHO, their being there DID go a long way in stopping the shooter and definitely saved a lot of lives.

Another point, I'm no expert, but perhaps in an armed confrontation police do not really know who shot whom, i.e., whose bullet brought him down.

I think you are a wee bit to quick to defame the police officers involved. IMHO you can't get past the fact that those police officers put themselves in harm's way to stop the carnage. And no, I don't believe the officers were "too stupid" to know an autopsy would reveal who shot the shooter. They know very well that an autopsy will be performed and ballistics checked. And no, I do not for a minute believe that officers were "so desperate for hero status" -- they were doing what they are paid to do, getting between the public and a crazy.

Why do you have such a you-know-what on for police officers?
 
Butterfly said:
Well, maybe the shooter wouldn't have killed himself so early on if there had not been armed police there to force his hand. So probably, IMHO, their being there DID go a long way in stopping the shooter and definitely saved a lot of lives.

Another point, I'm no expert, but perhaps in an armed confrontation police do not really know who shot whom, i.e., whose bullet brought him down.

I think you are a wee bit to quick to defame the police officers involved. IMHO you can't get past the fact that those police officers put themselves in harm's way to stop the carnage. And no, I don't believe the officers were "too stupid" to know an autopsy would reveal who shot the shooter. They know very well that an autopsy will be performed and ballistics checked. And no, I do not for a minute believe that officers were "so desperate for hero status" -- they were doing what they are paid to do, getting between the public and a crazy.

Why do you have such a you-know-what on for police officers?
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I have a "you know what on" for lies & Stolen Valor - similar to the fake war heroes - who have the same desperation.
Why doesn't the police chief say something honest, like "At this time, it is unclear how the suspect died." That's better than looking foolish & desperate after an autopsy. Sure, they did their job by engaging the suspect, which likely kept the death toll low. Exaggeration & lies are not needed.
If you recall the North Hollywood Bank Robbery situation, police did the same thing - they reported that THEY killed the suspect, when a news helicopter clearly showed the suspect killing himself. Maybe the helicopter was too high & police didn't see or hear it, so they thought they could just take the credit.
Honesty brings respect. Lies bring disrespect.
 
win231 said:
Here is something I wish police would stop doing: Whenever there is a mass shooting, police officers frequently take credit for stopping the shooter when the shooter actually killed himself. How can police be so stupid as to not know an autopsy will reveal what happened? Are cops that desperate for hero status?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gi...ion-of-events/ar-AAFfJLP?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp
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After reading the final report, I read that the shooter was injured by police, who dropped to his knees and at that point, he (the shooter) placed his weapon in his mouth and killed himself. The main point to the story was that the police did quickly engage and wound the shooter, which ended the threat, before he killed himself. The shooter did kill 3 people before the police were able to initially shoot him.
 
win231 said:
I have a "you know what on" for lies & Stolen Valor - similar to the fake war heroes - who have the same desperation.
Why doesn't the police chief say something honest, like "At this time, it is unclear how the suspect died." That's better than looking foolish & desperate after an autopsy. Sure, they did their job by engaging the suspect, which likely kept the death toll low. Exaggeration & lies are not needed.
If you recall the North Hollywood Bank Robbery situation, police did the same thing - they reported that THEY killed the suspect, when a news helicopter clearly showed the suspect killing himself. Maybe the helicopter was too high & police didn't see or hear it, so they thought they could just take the credit.
Honesty brings respect. Lies bring disrespect.
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In this robbery, the police engage both shooters in the street. It is estimated that between all of the shooters, 2000 rounds were fired. The one shooter did kill himself, but the other shooter died by bleeding out from gunfire that was returned by police.
 
Good video. I liked the suggestion that if you are hiding, remember to turn off your cell phone. I wouldn't have thought of that.

However, all this "preparedness" really only works in a public place that you would go to often and know well, such as your workplace. Otherwise, you'd be walking around in a constant state of fear, planning exit routes every time you enter a store, office building, theater, gym, school, or whatever. Not really a realistic way to live.
 
I don't work anymore. And if I want to watch a movie I watch it at home on Netflix or Amazon. The last movie I saw in a theater was Forest Gump soon after it came out. When was that? 1994? 1995? And being an introvert if I hear about some event that's going to attract a big crowd I make a point of avoiding it like the plague. Most of the time when I go somewhere it's to get away from people. Like to go hiking in the woods. And when I do that I'm usually carrying my snub nosed .38 in my pocket.

I do most of my shopping on Amazon. So that leaves the grocery store or the rare occasion when I shop somewhere else. So I'd say my chances of encountering a mass shooter, while not zero, are pretty low. So I'm not going to worry about it anymore than I worry being taken out by a hunk of space junk or a meteorite falling from the sky.

What I am concerned about is all these idiots out there on the road when I'm driving. And I'm not talking about someone with a tail light out either. I'm talking about all these fools who aren't paying attention to what they are doing because they can't stay off their phone.
 
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"We live in a frightening world today. " NO!! The rest of the world doesn't live with the constant threat of mass shootings. This is a situation that we, in the US, have created and fostered. We have inane weapons laws, and a cowboy six shooter idea of justice. Our mental health care is almost non existent. And we continue to lack the will to do anything other than count the bodies.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
"We live in a frightening world today. " NO!! The rest of the world doesn't live with the constant threat of mass shootings. This is a situation that we, in the US, have created and fostered. We have inane weapons laws, and a cowboy six shooter idea of justice. Our mental health care is almost non existent. And we continue to lack the will to do anything other than count the bodies.
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Amen, FB, Amen.
 
Trade said:
What I am concerned about is all these idiots out there on the road when I'm driving. And I'm not talking about someone with a tail light out either. I'm talking about all these fools who aren't paying attention to what they are doing because they can't stay off their phone.
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Yes! While these shootings are a tragedy, and our gun laws could use some updates, the fact is that most people are far more likely to die in a car wreck than in a shooting. Distracted driving, due to cell phone use, is the Number One reason for people being killed on the highways.....6 times more likely than being killed by a drunk driver. While there have been nearly 800 people killed in the U.S., in the past 35 years, in mass shootings, there have been 10's of thousands killed on our highways. In recent years the number of cell phone related deaths is rapidly approaching 4,000/yr.

I am not downplaying mass shootings, but most people face a bigger likelihood of being killed by a "texter" than a shooter.

https://www.dmv.org/articles/death-by-text-message-stats-show-how-technology-is-killing-us/
 
911 said:
After reading the final report, I read that the shooter was injured by police, who dropped to his knees and at that point, he (the shooter) placed his weapon in his mouth and killed himself. The main point to the story was that the police did quickly engage and wound the shooter, which ended the threat, before he killed himself. The shooter did kill 3 people before the police were able to initially shoot him.
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I read the same thing. He was already down when he shot himself.
 
win231 said:
Here is something I wish police would stop doing: Whenever there is a mass shooting, police officers frequently take credit for stopping the shooter when the shooter actually killed himself. How can police be so stupid as to not know an autopsy will reveal what happened? Are cops that desperate for hero status?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gi...ion-of-events/ar-AAFfJLP?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp
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An active shooter situation has to be pure chaos with bullets flying everywhere, and whose bullet hit who could be hard to determine initially. When first press conferences are held shortly after the incident, information presented may be suspect yet it is reported as fact. Give the cops a break!
 
The autopsy did not say that there was only one gunshot wound. It said the cause of his death was the self-inflicted wound. As I understand it, this was a preliminary report as to the cause of his death. The final report will specify one will specify how many gunshot wounds in total he had.
 
win231 said:
What you both read was likely a crock. The autopsy revealed only one bullet wound - in the suspect's mouth.
Autopsies don't lie. People do.
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According to the Coroner’s reports, Phillips was struck 11 times and Matasareanu was shot 29 times. The Coroner could not state with certainty that the bullet from Phillips’ gun or the police bullet provided the first kill shot. The Coroner also noted that a shot fired from one of the police guns severed Phillips’ spine.
 
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Then, in the interest of honesty (instead of stolen valor), the police chief should say, "It has not been determined how the suspect died." That would prevent police from looking foolish later....like they did during the North Hollywood bank robber shootout. In that incident, police repeated said "We took the 2nd suspect down," not realizing that a news helicopter was filming above & clearly showed the suspect shooting himself.
 
Don M. said:
Yes! While these shootings are a tragedy, and our gun laws could use some updates, the fact is that most people are far more likely to die in a car wreck than in a shooting. Distracted driving, due to cell phone use, is the Number One reason for people being killed on the highways.....6 times more likely than being killed by a drunk driver. While there have been nearly 800 people killed in the U.S., in the past 35 years, in mass shootings, there have been 10's of thousands killed on our highways. In recent years the number of cell phone related deaths is rapidly approaching 4,000/yr.

I am not downplaying mass shootings, but most people face a bigger likelihood of being killed by a "texter" than a shooter.

https://www.dmv.org/articles/death-by-text-message-stats-show-how-technology-is-killing-us/
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Yes! While these shootings are a tragedy, and our gun laws could use some updates, the fact is that most people are far more likely to die in a car wreck than in a shooting.

You know what. That is a feeble excuse. It's completely irrelevant and unconnected.

If there were no car accidents it would not make any difference to the gun violence deaths and vice versa.

It's an illogical argument.
 
911 said:
According to the Coroner’s reports, Phillips was struck 11 times and Matasareanu was shot 29 times. The Coroner could not state with certainty that the bulletin from Phillips’ gun or the police bullet provided the first kill shot. The Coroner also noted that a shot fired from one of the police guns severed Phillips’ spine.
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Sorry, you are mistaken. Both suspects were wearing body armour; that's why the polices' bullets were not effective.
I don't remember each name of each suspect, but I am referring to the suspect who was calmly walking down the neighborhood street; not the suspect who was wounded in the legs & bled out. Neither of the suspect's spine's could be "severed" because none of the officers' bullets penetrated the suspect's body armor. And, if the suspect who killed himself had a severed spine, he obviously could not have been walking down the street before he shot himself.
 
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