Are there ANGELS?

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Seems to me not all that different to Atheism. The point of difference being what started off the creation of the universe in the first place. If you say "God", then what created God and so on in absurdum.
I agree with "what created God is absurd" since God wasn't created. He was, He is, and always will be. Words like "Infinity" and "eternal" are impossible to fathom with our finite minds. That's where faith steps in.
 

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Most of my life I've said from time to time, "Hmm maybe that was an angel", knowing that they look like ordinary human beings. But 3 months ago, for the first time, I was absolutely positive, without a doubt that I encountered 3 Angels, one female and 2 males...all on the same day, 7/11/2019. All at different times of the day and 3 different locations. All looking like regular human beings.

I had prayed 1 or 2 days before, "God, show me your presence in a BIG way so that I will know for sure you're really with me." I forgot about my prayer until 1 or 2 days later 7/11/19 after I encountered 3 angels.

1. The first angel was at 8:30am (I'm using age and race in descriptions of all 3 angels because I think the diversity of the angels is significant in knowing God loves us all equally and unconditionally...angels aren't all white with wings). I had never seen "Robin" before at our local grocery store (name was on her name tag) but the 30something pretty black female cashier, during checkout, said something to me that was a reminder of how God wants me to think always and forever.

I was so upset about a big tall strong muscular fit young man who had parked in a handicapped spot with no handicapped stickers on his high-off-the-ground shiny black truck. He checked out in front of me, then when I checked out, I ranted to Robin, the cashier, about the man. She smiled and calmly said, "Well, I just say God bless him. God is watching him so I don't have to. He's watching me, and you, and everyone." I said "Yes, and Lord knows I've done a few wrong things in my life." Robin said, "There you go, haven't we all." I said, "Thank you for the reminder". And she smiled that pretty smile and said, "We all need to remind each other don't we". I didn't remember my prayer from 1 or 2 days earlier.

2. The second angel at noon was a white male senior with faded jeans, plaid shirt, and mussed white hair, who came to me in the middle of a large store to say "Is this your money?" Unbeknownst to me, my purse was unzipped when I got out of my car in the big parking lot and it all fell to the ground. He had no cart and not holding any items to purchase. Then he disappeared before I could get his name. I still didn't remember my prayer from 1 to 2 days earlier.

3. The third angel at 4pm saved my life. Same day. I took 4 dogs to an old fenced-in track & field that was hidden and abandoned behind a closed school. It couldn't be seen from the road. I saw an old car parked near the field but no one inside. I scanned the fenced in field and not a soul was around (sometimes others run, walk dogs, etc) so I let all the dogs off their leashes, shut the fence gate, then ran and played ball with the dogs. Still not seeing anyone around.

It was 90 degrees and humid. The asphalt track was about 6" higher than the grass field so I tripped over the asphalt edge while running fast and my whole body fell hard onto the asphalt...flat on my face. I had a very painful broken shoulder, black eye, cut lip and elbow, blood and bruises all over, 2 hurt knees, ...and I couldn't move. My phone was in the car at the other end of the track & field. All of a sudden a man sat up who was laying on his back in the grass (even with the sun beating down and 90 degrees). He was maybe from a Caribbean island, maybe Trinidad. He had brown skin, a Jamaican type accent, very thin but firm muscle definition like a runner and dressed like a runner. He was gentle, kind, and that same beautiful smile that Robin, the cashier, had in the morning encounter. I told him he couldn't lift me because of my broken arm. He said, "That's no problem for me" and he took my good arm and pulled me up. I didn't feel it and I felt light as a feather while he pulled me up. I stared at my good arm in amazement that I didn't feel him pulling me up.

He said "I can do anything for you, just ask me". I couldn't drive. I couldn't gather up all the dogs. I could barely walk. He offered to drive me home in my car, and then walk himself 2 miles back to the track in the 90 degree heat. He said, "That's no problem for me." Finally, I said if you can get the dogs in the car, I will try to drive one-handed while you follow behind me in your car in case I can't drive (yes that old car was his). He did. I trusted him completely which surprised me. When we got to my house I asked him to get the 4 dogs in the house for me. He did but was careful not to enter further than the doorway. He was leaving when I offered him money. He laughed (as if that was a preposterous idea) while shaking his head no. I asked him for his name and he only said his first name. I only knew Robins first name too. All of a sudden, I remembered my prayer from 1 or 2 days ago.

Yes, I've heard people say, "Be careful what you pray for" but I'm grateful for the pain and suffering becuase I've experience God's presence and my relationship is stronger for it. For the next 2 months God has repeatedly shown me His presence while helping me and teaching me, but I won't go on and on. Or is it too late for that 😊
Wow Lara, those are some experiences, you have been very lucky
and learned something, I don't think that I ever met an Angel, yet
I still believe that they are watching over all of us.

There are many examples quoted, but you are the nearest to someone
that I know, even only on the internet, that has had such strong examples.

Mike.
This is the first time in my life that I have had such a strong confirmation that there are angels walking among us. It's also the first time I've prayed beforehand for God to make His presence known to me in a BIG way. I sincerely prayed it from deep within me. If it had been just one angel that day I would have wondered if it was just a coincidence and not an angel. But there were three angels. Now that I think of it, "3 times" the Bible indicates emphasis...

"The number 3 biblically represents divine wholeness, completeness and perfection. If there ever was a desire to highlight an idea, thought, event or noteworthy figure in the Bible for their prominence, the number 3 was used to put a divine stamp of completion or fulfillment on the subject."

Like when Jesus was with His disciples and told Simon Peter 3 times to go and feed the sheep (sheep meaning Jesus' followers...in other words go and teach God's people) in John 21 15-17. Again in Acts 10:16 "and this happened 3 times".
 
Most of my life I've said from time to time, "Hmm maybe that was an angel", knowing that they look like ordinary human beings. But 3 months ago, for the first time, I was absolutely positive, without a doubt that I encountered 3 Angels, one female and 2 males...all on the same day, 7/11/2019. All at different times of the day and 3 different locations. All looking like regular human beings.

I had prayed 1 or 2 days before, "God, show me your presence in a BIG way so that I will know for sure you're really with me." I forgot about my prayer until 1 or 2 days later 7/11/19 after I encountered 3 angels.

1. The first angel was at 8:30am (I'm using age and race in descriptions of all 3 angels because I think the diversity of the angels is significant in knowing God loves us all equally and unconditionally...angels aren't all white with wings). I had never seen "Robin" before at our local grocery store (name was on her name tag) but the 30something pretty black female cashier, during checkout, said something to me that was a reminder of how God wants me to think always and forever.

I was so upset about a big tall strong muscular fit young man who had parked in a handicapped spot with no handicapped stickers on his high-off-the-ground shiny black truck. He checked out in front of me, then when I checked out, I ranted to Robin, the cashier, about the man. She smiled and calmly said, "Well, I just say God bless him. God is watching him so I don't have to. He's watching me, and you, and everyone." I said "Yes, and Lord knows I've done a few wrong things in my life." Robin said, "There you go, haven't we all." I said, "Thank you for the reminder". And she smiled that pretty smile and said, "We all need to remind each other don't we". I didn't remember my prayer from 1 or 2 days earlier.

2. The second angel at noon was a white male senior with faded jeans, plaid shirt, and mussed white hair, who came to me in the middle of a large store to say "Is this your money?" Unbeknownst to me, my purse was unzipped when I got out of my car in the big parking lot and it all fell to the ground. He had no cart and not holding any items to purchase. Then he disappeared before I could get his name. I still didn't remember my prayer from 1 to 2 days earlier.

3. The third angel at 4pm saved my life. Same day. I took 4 dogs to an old fenced-in track & field that was hidden and abandoned behind a closed school. It couldn't be seen from the road. I saw an old car parked near the field but no one inside. I scanned the fenced in field and not a soul was around (sometimes others run, walk dogs, etc) so I let all the dogs off their leashes, shut the fence gate, then ran and played ball with the dogs. Still not seeing anyone around.

It was 90 degrees and humid. The asphalt track was about 6" higher than the grass field so I tripped over the asphalt edge while running fast and my whole body fell hard onto the asphalt...flat on my face. I had a very painful broken shoulder, black eye, cut lip and elbow, blood and bruises all over, 2 hurt knees, ...and I couldn't move. My phone was in the car at the other end of the track & field. All of a sudden a man sat up who was laying on his back in the grass (even with the sun beating down and 90 degrees). He was maybe from a Caribbean island, maybe Trinidad. He had brown skin, a Jamaican type accent, very thin but firm muscle definition like a runner and dressed like a runner. He was gentle, kind, and that same beautiful smile that Robin, the cashier, had in the morning encounter. I told him he couldn't lift me because of my broken arm. He said, "That's no problem for me" and he took my good arm and pulled me up. I didn't feel it and I felt light as a feather while he pulled me up. I stared at my good arm in amazement that I didn't feel him pulling me up.

He said "I can do anything for you, just ask me". I couldn't drive. I couldn't gather up all the dogs. I could barely walk. He offered to drive me home in my car, and then walk himself 2 miles back to the track in the 90 degree heat. He said, "That's no problem for me." Finally, I said if you can get the dogs in the car, I will try to drive one-handed while you follow behind me in your car in case I can't drive (yes that old car was his). He did. I trusted him completely which surprised me. When we got to my house I asked him to get the 4 dogs in the house for me. He did but was careful not to enter further than the doorway. He was leaving when I offered him money. He laughed (as if that was a preposterous idea) while shaking his head no. I asked him for his name and he only said his first name. I only knew Robins first name too. All of a sudden, I remembered my prayer from 1 or 2 days ago.

Yes, I've heard people say, "Be careful what you pray for" but I'm grateful for the pain and suffering becuase I've experience God's presence and my relationship is stronger for it. For the next 2 months God has repeatedly shown me His presence while helping me and teaching me, but I won't go on and on. Or is it too late for that 😊
Lara, that's a wonderful story, and yes, God does listen to you and give you reassurance. How fantastic to have 3 angels in your life in one day...the last one being your real "guardian" angel. This keeps you in God's healing light. Bet you felt that heavenly "glow" for days afterward and its something you will never forget for the rest of your life. God bless!
 

Thank you Liberty, and yes I still feel that glow and He's still showing me His presence. It's never happened like this in my life. That's why I've become annoying to the non-believers here in SF. I'm not trying to convert anyone. I just can't stop talking about it. My relationship with God is so close that it permeates my every thought.

I thought about leaving SF because of the ugly backlashes I've received from one member. God bless her (sincerely). Another Christian member just left. But I enjoying on-topic sharing in appropriate threads so I'm staying for now. Thank you to those members who are annoyed with me but have chosen to ignore me vs anger and have allowed me freedom of speech and religion. I know there are quite a few and I've noticed you're leaving me be. Thank you.
 
Thank you Liberty, and yes I still feel that glow and He's still showing me His presence. It's never happened like this in my life. That's why I've become annoying to the non-believers here in SF. I'm not trying to convert anyone. I just can't stop talking about it. My relationship with God is so close that it permeates my every thought.

I thought about leaving SF because of the ugly backlashes I've received from one member. God bless her (sincerely). Another Christian member just left. But I enjoying on-topic sharing in appropriate threads so I'm staying for now. Thank you to those members who are annoyed with me but have chosen to ignore me vs anger and have allowed me freedom of speech and religion. I know there are quite a few and I've noticed you're leaving me be. Thank you.
Lara, I also suspect there are lots of "believers" here on the forum that may be shy or just not feel comfortable in voicing their opinions. Never let anyone "run you out of Dodge"...lol. Especially not for simply being a kind and open with your beliefs. After all, that's what this country is about, and its definitely an asset in communication!
 
I don't believe nor disbelieve, but do have to wonder at how these stories spin out, human nature being what it is. When people claim to be "saved" by God's blessings, divine providence, angels, etc., they loudly proclaim it and give the glory to God. I get that. As a frail species we are well aware of the mortal dangers that lurk around every corner and are enormously relieved when we think we've cheated fate.

But what about the children who don't have dogs or humans suddenly intervene, and meet terrible endings at the hands of those evil strangers?
What about the freak accidents that would have resulted in a survivable injury instead of blindness, full paralysis, or death, if only a few seconds or millimeters difference had occurred?
What about the victims who didn't manage to escape the bullets of those mass shooters?
What about the people who showed up to work on time and went down in the World Trade Center, or boarded those planes?

Were their angels taking the day off? Did God opt to not shed His blessings on them because he didn't care or love them as much?

Aye, there's the rub.


I have to shake my head when , after a storm or ?? when survivors are interviewed on the news and say things like , thank god we're alive, I thank god that my family was spared, etc. & so-on

Well then do these same people also thank god for the people the next street over that were killed?

Seems to me if he did some, he did it all.
 
I have to shake my head when , after a storm or ?? when survivors are interviewed on the news and say things like , thank god we're alive, I thank god that my family was spared, etc. & so-on

Well then do these same people also thank god for the people the next street over that were killed?

Seems to me if he did some, he did it all.
There are a lot of things that don't make sense down here in the gross dense matter, lol. Yet we always want to think we completely understand everything, in order to make human judgments.

With that said, being thankful is a basic part of human consciousness. Hopefully, we will understand all the whys and hows and wherefores on the other side. Until then, its like Jack
Nicholson said "its all gravy from now on". Enjoy as best we can.
 
Lara, I also suspect there are lots of "believers" here on the forum that may be shy or just not feel comfortable in voicing their opinions. Never let anyone "run you out of Dodge"...lol. Especially not for simply being a kind and open with your beliefs. After all, that's what this country is about, and its definitely an asset in communication!
Don't assume it's only "believers here on the forum that may be shy or just not feel comfortable in voicing their opinions." Many folks are shy for many reasons to express beliefs of all kinds.
 
Don't assume it's only "believers here on the forum that may be shy or just not feel comfortable in voicing their opinions." Many folks are shy for many reasons to express beliefs of all kinds.
You are so right, Pepper. Of course that is a fact, and to each his or her own.
 
There is only one thing, One Thing, that annoys me about in-depth spiritual discussions, and that is the notion that American Christians are a persecuted class. Except for that, everything's on my table and Anything Goes!

These discussions can be truly fascinating.
 
There is only one thing, One Thing, that annoys me about in-depth spiritual discussions, and that is the notion that American Christians are a persecuted class. Except for that, everything's on my table and Anything Goes!

These discussions can be truly fascinating.
Yes, the discussions can be very enlightening. So many times, being open to new understanding is a creating process. Like my dad said "if you keep an open mind, then something new might just drop in!
 
Seems to me not all that different to Atheism. The point of difference being what started off the creation of the universe in the first place. If you say "God", then what created God and so on in absurdum.

THAT is the main reason why I rejected Atheism and embraced Deism, it's the only religion that makes any kind of sense. Perhaps it's only my puny human mind, but I cannot comprehend what is beyond the beginning and the end of the universe in time and in space. There must also be a reason so much violence and disasters are allowed without God's intervention. A paradise or hell after death is only a human theory, we do NOT know for sure. Free will? Perhaps it's the free will of the perpetrator of a violent act, but is it the free will of their victim also to be victimized? Does a child or innocent person deserve to be tortured or starved or burned or left in hot cars like in so many stories in the news. So where is God during all these horrible acts? If he is protecting the right of ''free will'' of the perpetrator, what about the right of the victim to not be victimized?
 
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...where is God during all these horrible acts? If he is protecting the right of ''free will'' of the perpetrator, what about the right of the victim to not be victimized?
I posted in another thread about why God allows good people to suffer so I apologize for any repetition. Here's the thing; regarding death, God doesn't look at death as a bad thing...even for children. The world is full of sin. To take a child out of this sinful world and bring her Home is beautiful, loving, and peaceful for her for eternity. We are all just passing through this life which is just a speck compared to eternal life beyond.

Regarding suffering, I don't know all the answers but there are over a hundred different reasons listed in the Bible as to why good people suffer. Sometimes human suffering is a result of natural consequences ie. man's own bad health choices. Or, sometimes it's like when God allowed my accident to happen so he could humble me in order to get my attention as He began to show my His presence in my life in a big way...which is exactly what I prayed for 1 or 2 days before...and He is still showing me and teaching me for which I'm grateful. But my suffering was nothing like suffering that you mentioned. I don't understand that either.
 
THAT is the main reason why I rejected Atheism and embraced Deism, it's the only religion that makes any kind of sense. Perhaps it's only my puny human mind, but I cannot comprehend what is beyond the beginning and the end of the universe in time and in space. There must also be a reason so much violence and disasters are allowed without God's intervention. A paradise or hell after death is only a human theory, we do NOT know for sure. Free will? Perhaps it's the free will of the perpetrator of a violent act, but is it the free will of their victim also to be victimized? Does a child or innocent person deserve to be tortured or starved or burned or left in hot cars like in so many stories in the news. So where is God during all these horrible acts? If he is protecting the right of ''free will'' of the perpetrator, what about the right of the victim to not be victimized?
Think we love to not believe but still to have God to kick around and blame when things we do not understand happen. Human beings take no blame? God always must intervene or there is "no" God
THAT is the main reason why I rejected Atheism and embraced Deism, it's the only religion that makes any kind of sense. Perhaps it's only my puny human mind, but I cannot comprehend what is beyond the beginning and the end of the universe in time and in space. There must also be a reason so much violence and disasters are allowed without God's intervention. A paradise or hell after death is only a human theory, we do NOT know for sure. Free will? Perhaps it's the free will of the perpetrator of a violent act, but is it the free will of their victim also to be victimized? Does a child or innocent person deserve to be tortured or starved or burned or left in hot cars like in so many stories in the news. So where is God during all these horrible acts? If he is protecting the right of ''free will'' of the perpetrator, what about the right of the victim to not be victimized?
Yes, isn't it convenient that we always have God to blame and kick around...perhaps that's how football was invented.
 
I posted in another thread about why God allows good people to suffer so I apologize for any repetition. Here's the thing; regarding death, God doesn't look at death as a bad thing...even for children. The world is full of sin. To take a child out of this sinful world and bring her Home is beautiful, loving, and peaceful for her for eternity. We are all just passing through this life which is just a speck compared to eternal life beyond.

Regarding suffering, I don't know all the answers but there are over a hundred different reasons listed in the Bible as to why good people suffer. Sometimes human suffering is a result of natural consequences ie. man's own bad health choices. Or, sometimes it's like when God allowed my accident to happen so he could humble me in order to get my attention as He began to show my His presence in my life in a big way...which is exactly what I prayed for 1 or 2 days before...and He is still showing me and teaching me for which I'm grateful. But my suffering was nothing like suffering that you mentioned. I don't understand that either.
Yep, like it or not, suffering often makes us stronger. So many things we don't understand, but lets "keep on keeping on". A couple hundred years ago they didn't believe in anything they couldn't see. We are inching higher, by pure faith.
 
Think we love to not believe but still to have God to kick around and blame when things we do not understand happen. Human beings take no blame? God always must intervene or there is "no" God. Yes, isn't it convenient that we always have God to blame and kick around...perhaps that's how football was invented.

So, it's okay to praise and thank him when things are good but not alright to blame him when things are bad? He's either responsible for both or not responsible for either good or bad.
 
So, it's okay to praise and thank him when things are good but not alright to blame him when things are bad? He's either responsible for both or not responsible for either good or bad.
No. Actually, Satan is responsible for all the bad. God has power over Satan but sometimes God chooses to allow it for purposes according to His perfect plan which we may not understand now but in time we will. And in time all things will turn out fair and according to His divine plan.
 
So, it's okay to praise and thank him when things are good but not alright to blame him when things are bad? He's either responsible for both or not responsible for either good or bad.
How about simply celebrating life? How about just not judging? How about realizing how lacking we are in patience, each and every day. Who among us can do that?
 
Since this thread is "Are There Angels", want to share a quick story with you all. My husband and I have enjoyed several decades of married bliss. Its as though we are "soulmates" with a couple small exceptions. He's and engineer and an introvert and I'm more outgoing. He did not warm up to "angels".

I told him that perhaps sometime he would have a more realistic view of them. He ask why and I said, just keep an open mind. Not too long ago, I was outside in the garden and he came downstairs after doing the laundry (yes, aren't I lucky). He had a funny look on his face and I ask him what was up. He said the hairs on the back of his neck had stood up, as he'd just met the "spook"...lol.

Now that "spook" has been around this house and property for many years. So glad they finally met. The point here is, until it happens to YOU, its just hearsay. Keep an open mind, and maybe you'll get "up close and personal" with your angel. Then you will "know".
 
Words like "Infinity" and "eternal" are impossible to fathom with our finite minds. That's where faith steps in
It's funny, we tend to not be taken in by a nice story (the gospel) because we put a lot of trust in our limited intellect.
I know this, been there, many years.
I mean I can fathom forever 'unending existence' on the back end, but no beginning?
Thinking too much on that sends me to a nip or long pull of single malt.

If one truly desires to know if someone is runnin' things, it's all there, in The Book.
Daniel and The Revelation contains enough proof, and they are substantiated thru out the rest of The Book.
"Come let us reason'

But, it takes some study...and time

Most are not willing

It's a power of choice thing
 
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