NRA and domestic violence

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This article discusses whether there are situations (domestic violence, stalkers) where firearms should be disallowed. The position of the NRA seems to vacillate on this issue.

NRA Toes the Line on Domestic Violence


The National Rifle Association (NRA) and women have long had a tumultuous relationship.



The NRA is interested in keeping the firearms industry profitable, but has had a very difficult time in turning American women into customers. The General Social Survey shows that the percentage of women who own guns has fluctuated between 9% and 14% from 1980 to 2010 (as opposed to between 33% and 52% for men). During that time—and perhaps not coincidentally—the NRA has consistently opposed legislation that would limit domestic abusers’ access to firearms, claiming that efforts in this area could lead to “sweeping and arbitrary infringement on the right to keep and bear arms.”

It wasn’t always this way. When the 1968 Gun Control Act was signed into law by President Lyndon Johnson—establishing prohibited categories of gun purchasers for the first time (domestic abusers under active restraining orders were added to the statute’s list of prohibited purchasers in 1994)—the NRA supported the legislation. Today’s NRA, however, is far more radical and connected to the gun industry. In April, NRA President Jim Porter described the Gun Control Act as “a terrible law” and bragged that it would have been defeated if the NRA had a lobbying arm at the time.
Porter is not the only NRA leader who has demonstrated little regard for keeping guns out of the wrong hands. In 1997, NRA Board Member and Alaska Congressman Don Young co-sponsored H.R. 1009, which sought to repeal [now-deceased] New Jersey Senator Frank Lautenberg’s amendment to the 1996 Omnibus Appropriations bill. The amendment prohibits individuals from owning/purchasing firearms if they have been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence. Thankfully, Young’s bill went nowhere.

Three years later, the NRA weighed in on an important court case concerning armed abusers. Timothy Joe Emerson, a Texas doctor, was charged with possessing a firearm while subject to a court order prohibiting the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against an intimate partner or child. Under federal law, the protective order made Emerson’s possession of a firearm illegal. Emerson’s wife, Sacha, had requested the temporary restraining order during the course of their divorce proceedings, alleging that he had threatened her and their daughter with a gun. Emerson asked that the indictment be dismissed, arguing that the statute in question was unconstitutional because it violated his right to keep and bear arms. In 2000, when the case was before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, the NRA filed an amicus brief, describing the disarming of Emerson as “a radical extension of federal power.”

The NRA was also active in defending domestic abusers in state legislatures. For example, in 2010 the NRA lobbied against Wisconsin Senate bills 380 and 381, which sought to expand the definition of “misdemeanor crimes of domestic violence” and “require an individual who is subject to a protective order to appear before a court and reveal all the firearms that he or she owns or possesses.” The NRA argued that law enforcement already had the tools necessary to prosecute these crimes and said the bills would unfairly limit “immunity from prosecution for the laws [said individuals] might be forced to admit violating.”

Then, in 2013, the NRA suddenly changed course by deciding to remain neutral on a series of state bills that dealt with domestic violence. Facing no NRA opposition, lawmakers in Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Louisiana and Vermont passed variations of a bill to prohibit the possession of firearms by those convicted of misdemeanor domestic abuse and to establish procedures for the removal of abusers’ firearms. Minnesota state Representative Dan Schoen even noted at the time, “The NRA has been really good to work with on this particular issue. It pains me to say [it], but they have been.”



(Please tell me that is a Toni Collette look alike and not the real thing)

Many observers saw the NRA’s policy shift as an attempt to reach out to women, a demographic it might eventually need to mobilize if it is to keep the gun industry profitable. The challenge here is significant. One NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found that 65% of women favor stronger gun laws, compared to 44% of men. Another recent poll found that 83% of Republican women in Arizona, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Nevada, Alaska, Virginia and Texas support closing current loopholes by requiring background checks on all gun sales (a policy the NRA opposes). Given these metrics, it’s not surprising that the NRA made another attempt at inclusivity during their most recent annual meeting, conducting the first-annual Women’s New Energy Breakfast and Women’s Leadership Forum Luncheon and Auction. They have also launched the new web series, “NRA Women: Armed and Fabulous.”

But the NRA’s foray into the world of moderate politics did not last long. In June 2014, the president of the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action, Chris Cox, sent a letter to Senators in opposition to S. 1290, a bill introduced by Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar. S. 1290 aims to add convicted stalkers to the group of offenders who are barred from owning/purchasing firearms and to expand the current definition of those convicted of domestic violence against “intimate partners” to include those who harm dating partners. [Currently the law is limited to people who are married or co-habitating.] While Klobuchar see S. 1290 as a “common sense bill that would protect victims and keep our families safe,” the NRA argues that the legislation “manipulates emotionally compelling issues such as ‘domestic violence’ and ‘stalking’ simply to cast as wide a net as possible for federal firearm prohibitions.”

The NRA even proffered a hypothetical scenario involving two gay men who could potentially be prohibited from owning firearms “for conviction of simple ‘assault’ arising from a single shoving match.” This was an odd choice of scenarios given that numerous NRA leaders have made homophobic remarks in public, including Ken Blackwell (who has compared homosexuality with incest and polygamy) and Wayne Anthony Ross (who described homosexuals as “degenerates”). NRA leaders have also downplayed the issue of domestic violence, with Ross once musing, “If a guy can’t rape his wife … who’s he gonna rape?” “There wouldn’t be an issue with domestic violence if women would learn to keep their mouth shut,” Ross declared. Then there’s NRA lobbyist Richard D’Alauro, who was charged with misdemeanor assault and endangering the welfare of a child stemming from a 2010 domestic altercation with his wife.

NRA commentary on stalking has been equally offensive. In his letter to Senators, Chris Cox claims that “‘stalking’ offenses do not necessarily include violent or even threatening behavior.” The NRA undoubtedly hopes to obscure research demonstrating that “firearms possession by those who commit stalking…crimes is an indicator of lethality.” Given that stalking victimization affects 1 in 6 women in their lifetime,[1] the NRA will undoubtedly regress even further among women with such rhetoric.

The NRA’s flip-flop on the issue of domestic violence is hardly unique. Their previous course corrections on issues like the Gun Show Loophole and guns in schools have been well-documented. More recently, the NRA flip-flopped on the issue of Open Carry in a matter of mere hours. After a variety of aggressive Open Carry demonstrations spurred controversy around the country, the NRA released a statement criticizing the protests, calling them “scary” and “downright weird.” However, immediate backlash from their base caused the NRA to retract the statement the very next day. Now, suddenly, the NRA tells us, “Unequivocally, we support open carry.”

When it comes to domestic violence, the NRA is once again a slave to the pro-gun movement that it radicalized over the past 40 years. It’s not that Wayne LaPierre & Co. can’t see the demographic writing on the wall. They understand that racism (think NRA Board Member Ted Nugent), homophobia and misogyny will not be a winning political strategy much longer in the United States. But they also believe that there is less money in moderation today given that their typical customer is to the far right of the political spectrum (would-be smart gun dealer Andy Raymond and others have contested this marketing strategy, however).

At what point will the NRA finally be forced to support policies that protect women; not half-heartedly but earnestly? It’s difficult to say, but when it comes to the safety of American women, much hangs in the balance.

http://csgv.org/blog/2014/nra-toes-line-domestic-violence/
What say you about the right to bear arms when threats have been made or when stalking is occurring ?
 

Sandra Bullock's clearly obsessed stalker and home invader had seven guns at home.

How is this possible?

http://www.newsday.com/entertainmen...corbett-inside-her-home-report-says-1.8810255

Sandra Bullock's 'stalker charged with 19 felonies after police find ARSENAL of machine guns in his home'

Joshua Corbett, 39, is charged with seven counts of possessing a machine gun and two counts of possessing an assault weapon. He was also charged Wednesday with 10 counts of possessing a destructive device after police found tracer rounds in his home


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-ARSENAL-machine-guns-home.html#ixzz37cQa5psx
 

I don't know who Wayne LaPierre is, but based on the video that I posted I'm assuming that there is no screening and anyone can join the NRA. Even stalkers and criminals. I'm happy to be corrected if I am wrong. Apparently all you need is $25.

Does anyone have any background on Joshua (Josh) Corbett of Montrose CA ? I've been trying to check him out but there are too many men with that name. Some are ex military and others are firearms trainers. I'd really like to know more about his history.
 
It seems anyone can join the Democratic Party. Those listed below are NOT NRA members but they are democrats.


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I don't know who Wayne LaPierre is, but based on the video that I posted I'm assuming that there is no screening and anyone can join the NRA. Even stalkers and criminals. I'm happy to be corrected if I am wrong. Apparently all you need is $25.

Does anyone have any background on Joshua (Josh) Corbett of Montrose CA ? I've been trying to check him out but there are too many men with that name. Some are ex military and others are firearms trainers. I'd really like to know more about his history.

Back in the early 70's when I was in the 7th grade, my best friend had an NRA membership. Once a month or so, on Saturday mornings, he'd get on his bicycle with his .22 rifle slung across his back & ride the 2½ miles or so down the highway to a local shooting range, where they'd have NRA meetings that covered topics like gun safety, maintenance & cleaning, then they'd do some target shooting.

What's amazing, is how a 12 y/o kid back then, could ride his bicycle down the highway carrying a .22 rifle & a box of live ammo, & nobody batted an eye. If that were to occur nowadays, somebody would call 9-1-1, four or five cops would arrive on the scene, the area would be cordoned off, the SWAT team & a special negotiator would be called in & it would all be on the local evening news, complete with live reporters & helicopter footage.
 
It seems anyone can join the Democratic Party. Those listed below are NOT NRA members but they are democrats.


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And apparently, the biggest & most gullible purveyors & swallowers of BS propaganda are conservative Republicans.

The idea that recent mass shooters are mostly registered Democrats is a myth

Based on the assertions of Roger Hedgecock a right-wing radio show host, the meme that the five worst recent mass shootings were committed by registered Democrats is making its way through e-mail chains and social media. Hedgecock asserts, without providing any evidence or sources, that the Ft. Hood shooter, the Virginia Tech shooter, the Aurora Theater shooter and Adam Lanza of Sandy Hook infamy were all “registered Democrats”. He acknowledges that Klebold and Harris (the Columbine Colorado shooters) were too young to be registered voters but asserts, again without providing any evidence, that Harris and Klebold’s parents were progressives or liberal Democrats. All of these charges are utterly baseless and perhaps do not even deserve a response. However, given the effectiveness of right-wing lies in saturating social media and duping the incurious (a far too numerous segment of the population), some more detailed debunking is in order.To the best of my ability, I have attempted to research these claims with as much rigor as possible. If there is any evidence for or against my debunking, I welcome that evidence in the spirit of free inquiry. Let me also state that given that neither major political party condones mass shooter violence in any way, shape or form, and that all these acts are individual acts of violence that are not sanctioned by either elected Democrats or Republicans (at least not mainstream leaders in either party), the very notion that they are acting on behalf of a political party is itself problematic. This is not to say that mass shootings are apolitical acts, but rather it is to say that as political acts they may express an ideology (racism, misogyny, entitlement, psychosis, etc) but they do not in general express alignment with a political party or if they do it is not an association that the Democrats or Republicans would accept as legitimate (neither party wants to claim James Holmes or Adam Lanza as a member in good standing, no matter what Holmes or Lanza feels about them). In any case, we can categorically REJECT the notion that any of the shooters in question has been shown to be a registered Democrat on a case by case basis.

1. Nidal Hasan (the Ft. Hood shooter) lived in either Virginia (his state of residence prior to being sent to Ft. Hood) or Texas, neither of which has partisan registration. Therefore the claim that he was a "registered Democrat" is false. I do not know if he voted or how he voted, but I do know that unless he was registered in a state in which he did not reside, that the claim that he is a registered Democrat is FALSE.


2. Since Virginia does not have partisan registration there is also no way to tell whether Seung-Hui Cho was a Democrat, but again because there is no partisan registration in the state we can say that the claim that he is a registered Democrat is FALSE. (Update: A more obvious point is that Cho was a resident alien, not a US citizen, so he was not eligible to vote in the US)


3. The false allegation that James Holmes was a registered Democrat was based on a Breitbart blogger named Joel Pollack, who found voter registration records for a DIFFERENT James Holmes who was approximately the same age as the shooter James Holmes. Alex Jones’ Infowars and other right-wing websites then incredulously repeated the false information without verifying it. It was later determined that the Colorado Theater Shooter James Holmes was NOT registered to vote, as evidenced by this retraction: {Newly-released information on the suspect’s birthdate (which, as indicated in our initial report, was a slight mismatch), combined with new details Breitbart News has obtained about the suspect’s likely addresses, together suggest that the suspect may, in fact, not have been registered to vote.}. However, most conservative bloggers continued to promote the lie without printing the Breitbart site's retraction. The claim that James Holmes was a registered Democrat is FALSE.


4. The claim that Adama Lanza is a registered Democrat has been suggested based not on any evidence that he was registered as one, but on the rather dubious claim that because Connecticut has almost 2 to 1 Democratic registration over Republicans, he was probably a Democrat. (Claim: "Adam Lanza, NewtownConn murderer. Registered Democrats outnumber Republicans by about a 2-1 ratio in Connecticut. The odds are therefore that the Lanza family are (sic) Democrats.") This of course is a bogus argument to begin with, but even if we were to make the claim that a mass shooter’s political affiliation must be the same as the majority of the people in his area, we can debunk this foolish idea by taking this shoddy analysis down to the local level. Yes, Connecticut voted for Barack Obama, BUT the city ofNewtown voted for Mitt Romney. If we look at the results we find that Mitt Romney defeated Barack Obama in Newtown by 7451-6784 votes or 51.7 percent to 47 percent. Republican Senate candidate and Tea Party favorite Linda McMahon carried the city over Democrat Chris Murphy by an even larger margin. Add in the other information we have that Lanza’s mother was a “doomsday prepper” and a home schooler in a Republican-leaning city and we can pretty well dispense with the erroneous assumption that Lanza must have been a Democrat (UPDATE: According to at least one media source, Nancy Lanza was a registered Republican. The source does not provide a link, but the author of this article is seeking further confirmation). We can therefore claim that with no evidence to support the claim, the assertion that Lanza was a Democrat is not demonstrated and that in the absence of any evidence it is likely FALSE.


5. Klebold and Harris of course were not old enough to vote and they had no apparent political affiliation. Allegations that they came from families of Democrats or liberal progressives appear to have no sources to substantiate those claims. What little ideology the boys demonstrated owed mostly to an admiration for Timothy McVeigh not Ted Kennedy. Harris’ father was a retired Air Force pilot and Eric Harris wanted to join the Marine Corps. The boys lived in Littleton, Colorado a relatively conservative and affluent suburb of Denver. The claim that their parents were Democrats is UNSUBSTANTIATED. Any suggestion that the two boys were Democrats is demonstrably FALSE.


Interestingly, Hedgecock and those on the far right have conveniently overlooked a number of cases where ideology is clearly right-wing. The acts below are instances of right-wing violence that are unequivocally committed by people who are openly hostile to liberalism. While this does not mean these killers are Republicans, it is quite clear that they are RIGHT-WINGERS and that they have far more in common with Mr. Hedgecock, Alex Jones and the other gun-toting conspiracy nuts on the right than with any evils associated with the Democratic Party or liberalism. In addition, to the list below is the obvious case of Timothy McVeigh, who I have not included because his crime was not committed with firearms. It was however, committed by a right-winger and the carnage was on a massive scale.


For example, on July 18, 1984 James Oliver Huberty, who told his wife he hated “children, Mexicans and the United States” opened fire inside the McDonald’s Restaurant in San Ysidro, CA using a Browning P-35 Hi-Power 9mm pistol, Winchester 1200 pump-action 12-gauge shotgun, and an Israeli Military Industries 9mm Carbine (Uzi) – all legally acquired. He killed 21 and injured 19 before he was shot dead by police.


On Aug. 10, 1999 White supremacist Buford O. Furrow, Jr., fired 70 rounds with an Uzi-type submachine-gun inside the lobby of the Jewish Community Center in Granada Hills, CA wounding three children, a teenage counselor and an office worker. He then carjacked a woman’s Toyota at gunpoint, dumped it behind a motel and murdered US Postal Worker Joseph Santos with a Glock 9mm handgun.


On July 27, 2008 Former U.S. Army private, Jim David Atkinsson, who hated Democrats, liberals, African Americans and homosexuals, using a Remington Model 48 12-gauge shotgun, murdered two people and injured seven others inside the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, TN.


The day after Obama’s inauguration, white supremacist Keith Luke went on a killing spree in Brockton, Massachusetts. His goal was to kill as many Jews, blacks and Hispanics as possible. When questioned by investigators, the deranged gunman who had stockpiled hundreds of rounds of ammunition, proclaimed that he was fighting the extinction of the white race.


A little over a month later, Dannie Baker, a former Republican campaign volunteer shot five Chilean immigrants in Florida. Those who knew him said he was obsessed with the fear that illegal immigrants were taking over the country.


In April of 2009, Richard Popalowski, a white supremacist in Pittsburgh, shot and killed three police officers following a domestic disturbance call. He apparently thought that Obama was part of a government conspiracy to seize all guns, and he feared the government would take his guns away.


Later the same month, a Fort Walton Beach Florida man who thought the Obama administration was conspiring against him, shot and murdered two sheriff’s deputies.


On May 31, 2009 Dr. George Tiller was murdered in his own church by a right-wing “pro- life” gun man who decided to express his belief in the sanctity of human life by executing a medical doctor.


Eleven days later a right-wing white supremacist and Holocaust denier walked into the National Holocaust Museum and killed an African-American security guard. Two weeks later, three Neo-Nazis were arrested for bombing a diversity office in Scottsdale, Arizona.


On April 20, 2010 a member of the Sovereign Citizen movement was arrested after a failed attempt to take over a Tennessee county courthouse.


Exactly one month later, in West Memphis Arkansas, Sovereign citizens Jerry and Joe Kane murdered two police officers before they themselves were shot and killed in the ensuing shoot out with police.


On July 18, 2010 Byron Williams, an angry unemployed man, was arrested by police after they discovered a car full of weapons and ammunition that he had planned to use to kill progressives. He was on his way to the non-profit Tides Foundation Center, a favorite target of vitriol from Glenn Beck’s radio show.


On Jan. 8, 2011 22-year old Jared Lee Loughner killed six people, including a judge and a nine-year old child, and wounded 13 others, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), using a 9mm Glock 19 pistol during a public meeting in a supermarket parking lot near Tuscon, AZ.



http://www.examiner.com/article/the...ers-are-mostly-registered-democrats-is-a-myth





 
Does that answer help you, Pappy ?
It is rather unwise to believe memes from either end of the political spectrum.

Wayne LaPierre was mentioned earlier and I have been checking him out. The main charge against his leadership of the NRA is that he has changed its mission from a club for hunters and recreational shooters to something that is much more political with an idealogy that goes beyond defense of the second amendment.

At its convention in 1977, the NRA rejected its history as a club for hunters and marksmen and embraced activism on behalf Second Amendment absolutism. Rejecting background checks and allowing "convicted violent felons, mentally deranged people, violently addicted to narcotics" easier access to guns was, said the executive vice president that year, "a price we pay for freedom." In 2014, 500 days after Newtown and after a year of repeated legislative and judicial victories, the NRA has explicitly expanded its scope to the culture at large.

The NRA is no longer concerned with merely protecting the Second Amendment's right to bear arms – the gun lobby wants to use those arms on its fellow citizens. Or, as the NRA thinks of them: "the bad guys".

It is useless to argue that the NRA is only targeting criminals with that line, because the NRA has defined "good guys" so narrowly as to only include the NRA itself. What does that make everyone else?

"I ask you," LaPierre grimaced at the end of his litany of doom. "Do you trust this government to protect you?"

Taken from http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/28/nra-war-on-america-wayne-lapierre-indianapolis
Is this a fair assessment? I do hear echoes of these ideas expressed whenever the subject of gun legislation is mentioned.
The 'good guys' theme was first and foremost in the NRA recruitment video but what stops the bad guys from joining ?
 
The 'good guys' theme was first and foremost in the NRA recruitment video but what stops the bad guys from joining ?

The same thing that stops irresponsible people from buying guns & being considered "responsible gun owners" up until the point that they do something to reveal their irresponsible nature.... nothing.
 

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