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It is fun to listen to some of our non-religious friends. I can only picture them, red-faced, bellowing, with spittle flying from their mouths. I'm also impressed with how many so called "non-believers" have made such careful studies of the Bible. Must have spent many hours in what I consider pretty "dry' reading with a subject of which they have (or express that they have) little interest.

It puzzles me as to why anyone gets so frazzled over something that they don't practice, believe in, or encounter. If one doesn't enjoy, let's say "dancing", should they verbally attack any and everyone who professes to enjoy it?

Let the dancers enjoy their day and enjoy yours in any manner that pleases you ( and hope that the dancers don't bad-mouth you for your choice).
 

DaveA said:
It is fun to listen to some of our non-religious friends. I can only picture them, red-faced, bellowing, with spittle flying from their mouths. I'm also impressed with how many so called "non-believers" have made such careful studies of the Bible. Must have spent many hours in what I consider pretty "dry' reading with a subject of which they have (or express that they have) little interest.

It puzzles me as to why anyone gets so frazzled over something that they don't practice, believe in, or encounter. If one doesn't enjoy, let's say "dancing", should they verbally attack any and everyone who professes to enjoy it?

Let the dancers enjoy their day and enjoy yours in any manner that pleases you ( and hope that the dancers don't bad-mouth you for your choice).
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ROFLOL!! "Red-faced, bellowing pretty much describes TV ministers. They're fun to watch.
 
DaveA said:
It is fun to listen to some of our non-religious friends. I can only picture them, red-faced, bellowing, with spittle flying from their mouths. I'm also impressed with how many so called "non-believers" have made such careful studies of the Bible. Must have spent many hours in what I consider pretty "dry' reading with a subject of which they have (or express that they have) little interest.

It puzzles me as to why anyone gets so frazzled over something that they don't practice, believe in, or encounter. If one doesn't enjoy, let's say "dancing", should they verbally attack any and everyone who professes to enjoy it?

Let the dancers enjoy their day and enjoy yours in any manner that pleases you ( and hope that the dancers don't bad-mouth you for your choice).
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Profound and enlightening. I wish everyone had this mindset.
 

pleinmont said:
I was brought up to believe in the highly unpleasant, 'you must be born again or burn in hell' dogma. I even did the 'born again' thing when I was 11. But throughout my teenage years the doubts grew far too many to ignore, I lost my faith by the time I was 19. Besides which, many of the extreme Christians I knew, who believed in that nonsense, were not good people. I have read the Bible many times over the years and the more I read the more convinced I am that it is a work of fiction. I sincerely hope that is true, the god character is evil. :mad:
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To be born again this mean, this is called a new birth or the new birth a new beginning the old ways will be no more.
born again means the one that is chosen, will be gathered and will be with Christ, in heaven, theses chosen, will die and will be born again in a new life, these people are unknown to us.

In Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. This means that you must be reading the Bible or someone is reading the Scripture. As you are reading the Bible the Holy Spirit will apply the word in your heart by removing your heart, and by giving you a new heart this, in turn, will give you the ability to confess to God all of your sins.

Ezekiel 36: 26 A New Heart also I will give you, and A New Spirit will I put within you, and I will take away thy stony Heart out of your body and I will give you a Heart of Spirit.
(A Spiritual Heart)

Ezekiel 36: 27 And I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you shall keep My Laws, and do them.
I John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remained in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
This is how God saves an individual. Once a person is saved, the Holy Spirit steals him as the son of God, then this person can enter the kingdom of God, without the Holy Spirit and no one can enter the kingdom of God also the child God has the authority to bring an individual to the presence of the Holy Spirit so that he makes can be saved if it is God’s will.
But it is up to God himself you must satisfy the Lord, and wait for him to answer you as he sends you the Holy Spirit to steal your faith.
Romans 9: 15 15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Revelation 21: 4-5 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
The testing read Matthews 24: 1 – 51, this will give a little understanding of what is happening and what will happen
 
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The "Born Again" thing really tickles me. I've known several people who were born again.
One friend of a friend was an alcoholic with 6 DUI's. She frequently preached & tried to interest me in religion & being born again & "Accepting the Lord." When I reminded her that it wasn't helping her, she blamed "The Devil."

Two born again co-workers embezzled more than $80,000.00 from the owner - who liked them & tried to help them. When the owner found out, she was in her office. I heard her crying. I stuck my head in & asked, "Are you OK?" She responded, "I can't believe they did this to me after all the help I gave them, and they're both reborn Christians." I just shook my & said to myself, "She's as wacko as they are."

Another friend of a friend was married 5 times & cheated on all 5 of his wives. He was the ultimate hippocrite. When I was going through my divorce, he offered to counsel me! (I'm still chuckling at that - 37 years later)

One of my favorites: Bill Clinton, (after notifying the news media) walking into church, clutching his bible - right after his deposition. He needed to ask forgiveness after all that lying.

Well, they really needed to be born again.....many times over. They figured each time they were born again, the slate was wiped clean. LOL!
 
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Oh!
I was just kidding and being silly.
Everyone is as different and unique as each snowflake including you. 🥰

I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings. I’m kinda of goofy that way some how.😟
 
win231 said:
The "Born Again" thing really tickles me. I've known several people who were born again.
One friend of a friend was an alcoholic with 6 DUI's. She frequently preached & tried to interest me in religion & being born again & "Accepting the Lord." When I reminded her that it wasn't helping her, she blamed "The Devil."

Two born again co-workers embezzled more than $80,000.00 from the owner - who liked them & tried to help them. When the owner found out, she was in her office. I heard her crying. I stuck my head in & asked, "Are you OK?" She responded, "I can't believe they did this to me after all the help I gave them, and they're both reborn Christians." I just shook my & said to myself, "She's as wacko as they are."

Another friend of a friend was married 5 times & cheated on all 5 of his wives. He was the ultimate hippocrite. When I was going through my divorce, he offered to counsel me! (I'm still chuckling at that - 37 years later)

One of my favorites: Bill Clinton, (after notifying the news media) walking into church, clutching his bible - right after his deposition. He needed to ask forgiveness after all that lying.

Well, they really needed to be born again.....many times over. They figured each time they were born again, the slate was wiped clean. LOL!
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Why so nasty? Live and let live.
 
Don't worry about negative posts, C'est Moi.

It always happens whenever a thread is started that invites people to declare their faith. For that reason I hesitate to participate but then I think, why not? I am not ashamed to admit that I am a church going Christian and that I am committed to contributing to the life of my local congregation.

If anyone wants to indirectly label me a fool or a hypocrite I take no notice. I know who and what I am, I know my personal history and why I have arrived at this place. I don't have to convince anyone of my spiritual/religious viewpoint.

Most of the online negativity stems from painful negative experiences that are hard to put behind us. Some of it is because in this age of reason (something we could definitely argue about at great length) there is no room for faith or mystery. Whatever the reason, at our age thought patterns and personal beliefs tend to be set in stone. That is OK with me because the earth continues to spin on its axis, day follows night and there is always hope ahead.
 
C'est Moi said:
Why so nasty? Live and let live.
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You are reading things into my post that aren't there. I said these things tickle me & make me laugh. That's not being nasty; that's laughing at something that amuses me. Laughter is the best medicine.
By the way, your post also tickles me.
😁
 
Warrigal said:
Don't worry about negative posts, C'est Moi.

It always happens whenever a thread is started that invites people to declare their faith. For that reason I hesitate to participate but then I think, why not? I am not ashamed to admit that I am a church going Christian and that I am committed to contributing to the life of my local congregation.

If anyone wants to indirectly label me a fool or a hypocrite I take no notice. I know who and what I am, I know my personal history and why I have arrived at this place. I don't have to convince anyone of my spiritual/religious viewpoint.

Most of the online negativity stems from painful negative experiences that are hard to put behind us. Some of it is because in this age of reason (something we could definitely argue about at great length) there is no room for faith or mystery. Whatever the reason, at our age thought patterns and personal beliefs tend to be set in stone. That is OK with me because the earth continues to spin on its axis, day follows night and there is always hope ahead.
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Who's labeling you a hypocrite? I only labeled the religious people I know to be hypocrites. Where did I say all Christians or all religious people are hypocrites?
See how some overly-sensitive religious people jump to conclusions? :)
 
Who's labeling you a hypocrite?
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Not you, Win 231.

That was a general observation from me that somewhere along the line when a thread asking people to identify themselves as people of faith is started, it will inevitably attract general accusations of stupidity and/or hypocrisy. Sometimes directly, but more often indirectly. People who have revealed themselves as Christians do tend to feel that the accusation is directed at them. They take it personally. I don't, and I was talking directly to C'est Moi, not you. I was suggesting that she not take such comments personally. I offer you the same advice. Don't take my post to C'est Moi personally. It was not meant aimed at you.
 
TheWordIsOne said:
To be born again this mean, this is called a new birth or the new birth a new beginning the old ways will be no more.
born again means the one that is chosen, will be gathered and will be with Christ, in heaven, theses chosen, will die and will be born again in a new life, these people are unknown to us.

In Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. This means that you must be reading the Bible or someone is reading the Scripture. As you are reading the Bible the Holy Spirit will apply the word in your heart by removing your heart, and by giving you a new heart this, in turn, will give you the ability to confess to God all of your sins.

Ezekiel 36: 26 A New Heart also I will give you, and A New Spirit will I put within you, and I will take away thy stony Heart out of your body and I will give you a Heart of Spirit.
(A Spiritual Heart)

Ezekiel 36: 27 And I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you shall keep My Laws, and do them.
I John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remained in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
This is how God saves an individual. Once a person is saved, the Holy Spirit steals him as the son of God, then this person can enter the kingdom of God, without the Holy Spirit and no one can enter the kingdom of God also the child God has the authority to bring an individual to the presence of the Holy Spirit so that he makes can be saved if it is God’s will.
But it is up to God himself you must satisfy the Lord, and wait for him to answer you as he sends you the Holy Spirit to steal your faith.
Romans 9: 15 15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Revelation 21: 4-5 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
The testing read Matthews 24: 1 – 51, this will give a little understanding of what is happening and what will happen
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I am so glad I got unborn again, I hope when I die I stay dead. The idea of being in heaven with the evil Bible god is not my idea of fun.
 
Warrigal said:
Not you, Win 231.

That was a general observation from me that somewhere along the line when a thread asking people to identify themselves as people of faith is started, it will inevitably attract general accusations of stupidity and/or hypocrisy. Sometimes directly, but more often indirectly. People who have revealed themselves as Christians do tend to feel that the accusation is directed at them. They take it personally. I don't, and I was talking directly to C'est Moi, not you. I was suggesting that she not take such comments personally. I offer you the same advice. Don't take my post to C'est Moi personally. It was not meant aimed at you.
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I do not take the comments personally, Warri. I am not a believer so truly have no dog in this fight. But I will never understand people who can't make their point in any conversation without being nasty or putting others down, then slamming a "smilie face" on it like they are fooling anyone. "When someone shows you who they are, believe them."
 
DaveA said:
It is fun to listen to some of our non-religious friends. I can only picture them, red-faced, bellowing, with spittle flying from their mouths. I'm also impressed with how many so called "non-believers" have made such careful studies of the Bible. Must have spent many hours in what I consider pretty "dry' reading with a subject of which they have (or express that they have) little interest.

It puzzles me as to why anyone gets so frazzled over something that they don't practice, believe in, or encounter. If one doesn't enjoy, let's say "dancing", should they verbally attack any and everyone who professes to enjoy it?

Let the dancers enjoy their day and enjoy yours in any manner that pleases you ( and hope that the dancers don't bad-mouth you for your choice).
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It is called living an "intelligent life". You and ALL self proclaimed " believers" should try it sometime. Listening to Preachers (who have no clue) telling believers what to believe and only reading one pared down, reworded dozens of times, book does nothing to improve understanding, find the truth or help to improve life's circumstances.

There are no red faces, bellowing, spittle flying or negative emotions of any kind. No one is frazzled.

Those who research thoroughly and diligently are seekers of truth
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Most of them also take a very intelligent detailed look at all scientific, archeological, medical discoveries and theories as well.

For the same reason, seeking the truth, better understanding and improvement of life circumstances.

If there were no seekers to examine and pursue EVERYTHING, all of the scientific discoveries, material possessions and medical/dental help that you take for granted and get to enjoy would not even exist.
 
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Warrigal said:
, at our age thought patterns and personal beliefs tend to be set in stone.
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Not always true. The numbers of people who are opening their eyes and minds and willing to question religious and spiritual beliefs is staggering. At all age groups, But especially the senior population. I am amazed at how many that were a member of the clergy (all faith flavors) and those who were Christian believers for a life time that are finally waking up and paying attention to the facts and truth, not just what they were told to believe. People are hurting and wanting to find something that actually does as advertised and improves life. They realize that a lifetime of Christianity wasn't it.
 
Homeschoolie said:
Not always true. The numbers of people who are opening their eyes and minds and willing to question religious and spiritual beliefs is staggering. At all age groups, But especially the senior population. I am amazed at how many that were a member of the clergy (all faith flavors) and those who were Christian believers for a life time that are finally waking up and paying attention to the facts and truth, not just what they were told to believe. People are hurting and wanting to find something that actually does as advertised and improves life. They realize that a lifetime of Christianity wasn't it.
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I think you should speak for yourself and let other people do the same. There is no broad brush and I imagine that most people just keep their beliefs to themselves to avoid dust-ups like this thread.
 

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