WHO advice and updates on Coronavirus website

hollydolly said:
Yes it was reported in the media that 2 people who had supposedly recovered from it in China, had succumbed to it again....
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IMO, that probably happens when people are feeling better and think it's over, but the body is weak and still has the pathogen/virus in their bodies. That's why they tell you that when you're taking penicillin etc you need to take the FULL dose.
 

hollydolly said:
I'm thoroughly fed up with our governments not leading us with more information. It's causing panic everywhere.
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Me too. I quit listening to officials and the media weeks ago and started watching what they're doing. When you look at actual actions, you'll know that governments and most media are soft-pedaling to prevent panic which is actually making anxiety much worse. I'd rather just straight up have the truth ...but that would incite mass panic and God forbid, ding economies more which is the almighty political Holy Grail.

I guess the slow panic thing may be strategic, but the longer they're dishonest about the spread (the US CDC has been particularly inept at tracking and testing), the longer they put front line healthcare workers at risk. Over 100 medical personnel were exposed to the Cali patient last week; in that case the hospital had to beg the CDC for four days to test her. Think of how many people were exposed unnecessarily. :mad: And of those, the young and healthy workers may only develop mild cold like symptoms, think nothing of it and pass it to the patients at high risk. And that's when they're actually able to work again; a lot of those exposed have been instructed to self-quarantine which has put stress on the two hospitals she went to in an area where there's now known 'community spread.'

I'd rather they use the govt. happy phrase "abundance of caution" and instruct front line healthcare workers to at least starting wearing N95 masks to protect themselves and those they're caring for. The US has 30 million or so N95 masks stockpiled and could start strategically distributing those while we ramp up production.
 
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AnnieA said:
I guess the slow panic thing may be strategic, but the longer they're dishonest about the spread (the US CDC has been particularly inept at tracking and testing), the longer they put front line healthcare workers at risk. Over 100 were exposed to the Cali patient last week; in that case the hospital had to beg the CDC for four days to test her. Think of how many people were exposed unnecessarily. :mad: And of those, the young and healthy workers may only develop mild cold like symptoms, think nothing of it and pass it to the patients at high risk.
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I so agree with your entire post, but this paragraph particularly stands out. Skilled nursing facilities personnel are typically much less attentive than hospital workers to basic care-giver hygiene rituals like hand washing. Not criticizing them exactly. It's the nature of that beast. Employees are crushed for time and the places seem to always be understaffed.

Even in small facilities, the number of SNF patients, visitors, care coordinators, therapists, doctors, care givers, and other employees number well in the hundreds over the course of a week.
 
StarSong said:
I so agree with your entire post, but this paragraph particularly stands out. Skilled nursing facilities personnel are typically much less attentive than hospital workers to basic care-giver hygiene rituals like hand washing. Not criticizing them exactly. It's the nature of that beast. Employees are crushed for time and the places seem to always be understaffed.

Even in small facilities, the number of SNF patients, visitors, care coordinators, therapists, doctors, care givers, and other employees number well in the hundreds over the course of a week.
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I do contract work for two SNF facilities and you are exactly right.

But also think of the family and friends of the exposed healthcare workers. Some of those workers have elderly parents, partners or children on cancer chemotherapy or who have autoimmune diseases etc etc etc. But they carried it home because that particular patient didn't fit the CDC's ludicrously narrow travel to China/exposure to a known case criteria. There is, however, a reason the hospital asked for testing. The woman tested negative for the flu and had a lung CT scan that showed a distinctive radiological pattern for pneumonia caused by coronavirus ...yet the CDC dragged their feet for four days knowing that China had been using the CT lung scan as a diagnostic tool for over a month now.
 
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I wonder what local companies will do for someone if they get quarantined to their home and need medicine or groceries and can't get out? Would they consider running a tab til the person was safe and able to get out to the pay the bill? That's what worries me. I wanna try to get some supplies to keep in case that happens but, the medicine is a biggie for me. And like you others, they won't let us stockpile and most of what I get can only be bought one mo. at a time.
 
MarciKS said:
I wonder what local companies will do for someone if they get quarantined to their home and need medicine or groceries and can't get out? Would they consider running a tab til the person was safe and able to get out to the pay the bill? That's what worries me. I wanna try to get some supplies to keep in case that happens but, the medicine is a biggie for me. And like you others, they won't let us stockpile and most of what I get can only be bought one mo. at a time.
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I'd think they'd deliver it and let you charge it on your credit card.
 
Liberty said:
I read that a lab scientist tested and found it could remain on surfaces alive for 9 days. This could be the "community contact" if its a fact.
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I read that too. CDC won't verify that though. They say they are still learning about it. I read that 9 day thing plus that quarantine could be as much as 24 days. They recommended 24 days.
 
In the last couple of days, I've been to a large wedding, I've been to church (about 400 in attendance) and to my doctor.
I haven't seen but one person wearing a mask (at the doctor's office).

Do you think I'm being careless? I asked the nurse there if they were ever going to give out masks, and she said no, they don't plan on it.
So, I don't know if that's good or bad news. Right now I'm leaning toward good news, since not many seem to be concerned.
 
exwisehe said:
In the last couple of days, I've been to a large wedding, I've been to church (about 400 in attendance) and to my doctor.
I haven't seen but one person wearing a mask (at the doctor's office).

Do you think I'm being careless? I asked the nurse there if they were ever going to give out masks, and she said no, they don't plan on it.
So, I don't know if that's good or bad news. Right now I'm leaning toward good news, since not many seem to be concerned.
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Its the ill person that needs to be wearing the mask
 
Liberty said:
I read that a lab scientist tested and found it could remain on surfaces alive for 9 days. This could be the "community contact" if its a fact.
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Conditions such as surface material, temperature, humidity etc would have to be ideal for it to remain viable for 9 days ...but that's a moot point since even one day in crowded places with multiple infected people sneezing, coughing and touching stuff with dirty hands is enough for it to spread rapidly. Takeaway is DO NOT touch your face unless you've washed your hands well. Keep hand sanitizer on hand in case you can't wash your hands and even after using that, use a clean tissue if you must touch your face.

I've started removing my scrubs and shoes (Crocs that I can bleach) immediately after work and leaving them bagged up for several days. May start doing that after shopping as well. I also bought cheap plastic totes with handles for shopping instead of fabric bags. I put two in my cart and have two clean ones I set at the self checkout bagging area to put things into once I scan them. They're easy to clean. I don't actually do a lot of in store shopping anymore thanks to Amazon and local pickup services.
 
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My other concern is that I live in a duplex and work in a healthcare setting so, if I got it...would the neighbor get it? Our apts are connected with doors that lead to the basement and I'm sure we share some of the ductwork throughout. I don't like my neighbor but I'd feel bad if she got sick. LOL
 
Liberty said:
Its the ill person that needs to be wearing the mask
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I thought the mask was to protect against airborne virus and from people sneezing and coughing that you are near to (elevators and crowd situations).

I just came back from shopping at Kroger, didn't see any empty shelves, but it's early here (for now). I got some food that I can save for emergency, some canned food and crackers. My cats are set for at least a month, food and litter. Let's hope for the best.
 
Pepper said:
Thinking about Stephen King's The Stand
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Considering how there's a rumor that China unwittingly released the virus from its biological lab near Wuhan, "The Stand" seems to be eerily similar. Wow! Thanks, Pepper, never saw it but will read/watch as soon as I can.
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The Stand is a postapocalyptic horror/fantasy novel by American author Stephen King. It expands upon the scenario of his earlier short story "Night Surf", and presents a detailed vision of the total breakdown of society after the accidental release of a strain of influenza that had been modified for biological warfare causes an apocalyptic pandemic, killing off over 99% of the world's population. Published in 1978, The Stand was King's fourth novel, and remains (in its "Complete & Uncut" edition) the longest stand-alone novel King has published.
 
A new mini series is being made of The Stand with Whoopi Goldberg playing the good character, Mother Abagail, which is why, if you watch The View you see Whoopi wearing white dreadlocks. It will be on CBS All Access which I do not have.

I really liked the book.
 
Sunny said:
Probably no one could answer that yet, Popsnstuff. The best guess they have is to compare it with the flu viruses, which can cause illness in the same person more than once. Also, the flu vaccine is no guarantee against the disease. All it means is that vaccinated individuals who get the flu anyway, usually get a milder case. They are working on a vaccine for this one now, though it sounds like it will be several years before it can even be used. They are currently testing different vaccines on animals.

No one can predict the future, but all this talk about panic buying, stockpiling items, etc. sounds a bit hysterical to me. Even if there is a bit of a shortage for a while, I really think we can survive that.

One Eyed, the problem with stockpiling meds is that, in my case anyway, I can't renew prescriptions until a certain date has been reached.
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Same here Sunny with the med refills....I have X amount of refills but cant ask for them all at once....checked with the pharmacy and they confirmed the insurance companies will only acknowledge and pay for one months worth at a time.
 
WOW, considering how many pandemics have happened and are still happening, it's a miracle that humans are not only surviving but also multiplying. Scroll down to the end to see lists of literature and films made about pandemics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic
 

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