WHO advice and updates on Coronavirus website

CarolfromTX said:
I think that the media has its own possibly nefarious reasons for hyping this and predicting dire things. It's almost like they're hoping for a pandemic. Remember the ebola scare? I think the media wants to foment panic and just in general stir things up. Try to stay calm.
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I'm pretty calm, thank you, and I agree about the media definitely.
 

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This is partially complied from the WHO and also regional health reporting from Italy. Looks like Italy is doing much better about tracking and are being more honest than most other governments--certainly better than the US ...our CDC is about on par with communist China for poor testing and deliberate under reporting.

It's significant that of Italy's 1,500+ active cases, 49% are hospitalized and 9% are in ICU. And the cases are mostly concentrated in Northern Italy. Thats appx 735 hospitalizations and 150 ICU patients in a small geographic area. The burden on their healthcare system is past maxed out just as any first world system would be with those numbers.

The 10 days of 10 Feb - 1 March numbers show how highly contagious this virus is.


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This was on Seeking Alpha, the virus is now in 10 US states.
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Second U.S. coronavirus death; NYC reports first case
Mar. 2, 2020 4:41 AM ET|By: Yoel Minkoff, SA News Editor
Coronavirus cases are nearing 90,000 worldwide, with the U.S. confirming at least 89 infections, according to the CDC.
Health authorities in Washington state recorded the first and second death in the U.S. from the disease over the weekend, with cases of the virus now being reported across ten states.
The first in New York City was announced on Sunday to be a woman in her late 30s who recently traveled to Iran. Quarantine procedures of 14 days are in effect.
 
A doctor at New-York Presbyterian Hospital calls CDC testing a national scandal

Matt McCarthy MD, states that the state of New York has only tested 32 people as of today. This is pretty much what I've suspected all along. I'm guessing we've got thousands if not tens of thousands in the US given our population, rate of travel, the incubation time of COVID-19 and its highly contagious stats.

From the interview:

“I’m here to tell you, right now, at one of the busiest hospitals in the country, I don’t have it at my finger tips,” he said. “I still have to make my case, plead to test people. This is not good. We know that there are 88 cases * in the United States. ...There’s going to be thousands by next week. And this is a testing issue.”

The team at New York-Presbyterian Hospital are isolating suspected coronavirus patients and taking proper precautions to prevent the spread, McCarthy said, but “they’re hamstrung.”

“In New York state, the person who tested positive is only the 32nd test we’ve done in this state,” he said. “That is a national scandal.”

“They’re testing 10,000 a day in some countries and we can’t get this off the ground,” McCarthy said. “I’m a practitioner on the firing line, and I don’t have the tools to properly care for patients today.”



* Note: There are only 88 known cases because our inept CDC has tested less than 5,000 of 320 million plus people.
 
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We had 4 more deaths in the U.S. today. All in the same facility in Washington State. This virus seems to be spreading quickly and a vaccine would not be available for it until next year.

It's making me a bit nervous. :oops:
 
PopsnTuff said:
New cases: Tampa, Florida (2)....New Hampshire (1)....Rhode Island (2), and still only (1) in Massachusetts.
Illinois (4)....Wisconsin (1).....the rest are out west.

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Even that map is misleading. I looked to find where the "cases" in Texas are, and it turns out to be 11 people they took off a cruise ship and put in quarantine at an Air Force base in San Antonio. So no "in the wild" cases at all; just some "imported."
 
Many of these statistics are from tested for/verified cases of Covid 19. That means many undetected cases including those who rode out what they thought was a case of the flu or a cold. Many states even admitted to a shortage of test kits. Fatalities are sad but the statistics are misleading and fueling media hype/hysteria.

Also besides basic sanitary standards hand sanitizer still flying off the shelves. Heard sanitizer is good at killing bacteria but not viruses. And it's the rinsing of the hands after washing with soap that gets rid of stuff. Sanitizer and/or lotions can attract and make 'stuff' stick to hands sort of like a light oil film on car parts. But the sheeple people still want to play amateur prepper and/or exploiter of people's worst fears.
 
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There are more people we don't know about dying everyday....They don't advertise what people died from....Mostly older people dying in
Nursing's home. every day...Also people dying in accidents everyday....And shooting....We don't hear about everything......

This is just a caution to be alert....I don't think we should panic....

Where we are, people are out and about.....
 
C'est Moi said:
Even that map is misleading. I looked to find where the "cases" in Texas are, and it turns out to be 11 people they took off a cruise ship and put in quarantine at an Air Force base in San Antonio. So no "in the wild" cases at all; just some "imported."
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The one woman...supposedly released before she should have been, had a cab, went shopping and so forth, so...
 
Sunny said:
Probably no one could answer that yet, Popsnstuff. The best guess they have is to compare it with the flu viruses, which can cause illness in the same person more than once. Also, the flu vaccine is no guarantee against the disease. All it means is that vaccinated individuals who get the flu anyway, usually get a milder case. They are working on a vaccine for this one now, though it sounds like it will be several years before it can even be used. They are currently testing different vaccines on animals.

No one can predict the future, but all this talk about panic buying, stockpiling items, etc. sounds a bit hysterical to me. Even if there is a bit of a shortage for a while, I really think we can survive that.

One Eyed, the problem with stockpiling meds is that, in my case anyway, I can't renew prescriptions until a certain date has been reached.
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Nobody can stock pile meds Sunny unless they're into some shady sh*t. I'm simply referring to not letting meds run too low. In the past, if I had about 30 days left in the bottle, although Optum's website shows I can renew, I might wait two more weeks because I may have an additional two weeks in my pill cases. This can happen when I cut back on the dosaged (could be various reasons) and/or when the drug company gets the time when I'm supposed to renew wrong. Now when they show it's time to renew, I'll do it right away instead of waiting.
 
WHO just updated the mortality rate from previous estimates of around 2% up to 3.4% which is higher than smallpox (3%) or the 1918 Spanish Flu (>2.5%) By comparison. influenza pandemics other than 1918 run about 0.1%

r0 is estimated betweem 1.4 - 2.5 meaning each confirmed case of COVID-19 would infect between 1.4 and 2.5 other people. Influenza, by comparison has a r0 of 1.3.

So it's more infectious than the flu and much more deadly at this point.
 
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Is this Covid-19 virus bacterial or 100% viral? Googled it and cant find an answer....I've been treated with the 5-day pack of antibiotics for bacterial infections a few times in the past, after begging the docs in ER to treat me with it, when after 3-4 weeks I was getting worse, with all the cold and flu symptoms....which indicate its bacterial.....most of the docs will tell you its hard to determine if your infections are one or the other cuz the testing is unreliable...a higher percentage of mostly viral infection has to run its course thru your body......anybody else go thru this?
 
The Prime minister said today that the next step here because of panic buying is that we should expect some kind of rationing, and also a lot less variety of goods....

This is a picture from the Daily Mail of someone not in the uk but in.. a store called BJ's New Jersey USA today... and it's typical of the type of panic buying in some areas of the UK.... we have 3 cases now in my county, sadly the worst one of all is a nursing staff member in the cancer hospital... but it's been reported that victim/sufferer..was isolated quickly before it could be passed onto patients.. although all patients will be tested


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here are some more photos from the USA today....and typical as I say of the UK too.... what I'd like to know is where most people storing this stuff, they must be giving up bedrooms...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8069437/Six-dead-coronavirus-cases-hit-100.html
 
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Bonnie said:
I'm puzzled by the stockpiling of paper towels. That is happening in the states.
Disinfectant wipes I understand, but why the paper towels
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I'm guessing to use when touching objects outside the home like the gas pump, door handles, etc. in place of tissues, paper towels or gloves....maybe there's a shortage of the other paper products and gloves as well right now.....
 
PopsnTuff said:
Is this Covid-19 virus bacterial or 100% viral? Googled it and cant find an answer....I've been treated with the 5-day pack of antibiotics for bacterial infections a few times in the past, after begging the docs in ER to treat me with it, when after 3-4 weeks I was getting worse, with all the cold and flu symptoms....which indicate its bacterial.....most of the docs will tell you its hard to determine if your infections are one or the other cuz the testing is unreliable...a higher percentage of mostly viral infection has to run its course thru your body......anybody else go thru this?
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I read it's a Viral Pneumonia
 
WhatInThe said:
Many of these statistics are from tested for/verified cases of Covid 19. That means many undetected cases including those who rode out what they thought was a case of the flu or a cold. Many states even admitted to a shortage of test kits. Fatalities are sad but the statistics are misleading and fueling media hype/hysteria.

Also besides basic sanitary standards hand sanitizer still flying off the shelves. Heard sanitizer is good at killing bacteria but not viruses. And it's the rinsing of the hands after washing with soap that gets rid of stuff. Sanitizer and/or lotions can attract and make 'stuff' stick to hands sort of like a light oil film on car parts.
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Pretty much this whole post is inaccurate.

Epidemiologists adjust algorithms and equations to account for undetected cases. It's not basic math ...that's why to be one, you have to have a PhD. Some have dual MD/PhD.

And thankfully, hand sanitizer is effective against this coronavirus because the alcohol percentage is high enough to destroy the lipid envelope of COVID-19. But thorough handwashing destroys it as well.
 
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PopsnTuff said:
I'm guessing to use when touching objects outside the home like the gas pump, door handles, etc. in place of tissues, paper towels or gloves....maybe there's a shortage of the other paper products and gloves as well right now.....
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the virologist said that it's ok to wear gloves ..any gloves will do , BUT you must remember never to touch your face while wearing the gloves because you'll have given the virus a fast track straight to your lungs.... .better that you wash your hands as often as you think of in hot water , lots of soap and sing 2 rounds of happy birthday .

Remember if you're wearing gloves..(and I will when I go out ) ... to take them off and wash them as soon as you get home, ( or use disposables) and then wash your hands after taking the gloves off...

This is of course, info for any of us who are at high risk... 80% of those who get this virus will be perfectly ok after a few days of feeling mild flu like symptoms... and self isolating for 14 days so as not to pass it on..
 

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