Italians over 80 'will be left to die' as country overwhelmed by coronavirus.

I just read a comment/post where someone said almost all Italian fatalities were over 60 and/or had a pre existing condition of some kind. This triage procedure is supposedly for intensive care only. They must also note other conditions besides old age.
 
Terrifying prospect, but I can see that in the worst-case scenario it might become necessary. In practice, things like this are done in other areas of medicine, as in who qualifies for an organ transplant, i.e., a younger person with a better chance of survival will be given an available kidney instead of an older person with a lesser chance of survival because there are too few kidneys available.
 

The advice here for over 70's, is to self isolate (perhaps up to 3/4 months). Myself and all my fellow residents, although we are not pleased with the idea, are submitting to the advice. However, a few miles away, there are a group of about 50 over 70's that meet twice a week and go rambling together, and they are saying that they are NOT going to be told what to do as the walking keeps them fit. Now there is a conundrum.
 
There won't be a conundrum Bill, they will be forced to stay home , if they don't comply they will face £1000 fine plus the possibility of arrest . People who don't obey these rules are putting everyone elses' lives at risk...

They've already implemented it in Spain.. which is 4 times larger than the uk, by bringing the army in, as well as the police, to stop and question anyone out and about who shouldn't be...

See my posts here...


https://www.seniorforums.com/thread...over-70s-should-stay-home.47173/#post-1285156

When it is implemented it's up to all of us..who are younger and fitter to check on all of our elderly neighbours to see if they need anything. leave them our phone numbers... or put a note through their doors, offering to get them anything they need , and leave it delivered outside their door.

Each surgery or hospital should implement some kind of transport to take the elderly back and forth to appointments ( IMO)...
 
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I have a question about "self isolating," but I think this discussion belongs in the Coronavirus topic, so I'll ask it there. Maybe this thread should be moved over?
 
exwisehe said:
I noticed in the link that a doctor said: "[Who lives and who dies] is decided by age and by the [patient's] health conditions."

That's not what I have believed since I began attending church at 2yrs old (while sleeping in my mom's lap in the pews)
I was taught and still believe that life and death are in God's hands alone.
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In that case there's little point in bothering the medical community when believers feel ill.
 
His post was deleted. I believe his answer was un-called for and irresponsible. Why would I not seek medical help just because I'm a believer?

I've stood by the beds of many believers who were terminal (including my mother). We have prayed for the doctors and for God to give them wisdom and skill to perform to the best of their abilities.

They, like you and me, seek the best medical help possible, and there is no way that detracts from their beliefs. Sometimes, in God's economy, He deems that the ultimate healing is for them to be taken and be with Him.

So, to me, it is YOUR logic that is in question.
 
Hospitals, around the world, don't have the capacity to handle such a massive influx of patients. Already, here, there are reports of hospitals delaying "elective" surgeries, and even putting up some tent facilities, so as to be able to handle the anticipated numbers of people who may need hospital care. While China is finally seeing some improvement, Europe and the U.S. are still seeing increased problems. If the events in China are any indicator, it may well be June before we see a leveling off of this crisis in the U.S.
 
exwisehe said:
So, to me, it is YOUR logic that is in question.
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My LOGIC is that if you truly believe that God has the power over your life or death, you are showing disrespect to him by seeking human help. Why not let him do the healing, he should not need puny human ''wisdom and skill'' to do his will? All he has to do is WILL it.
 
O.K. then I guess we should adopt this policy for hospitals: A patient comes in ill, the nurse asks if they are believers or not.

If they say yes, then she alerts the doctor that there is no need to come to that room, let the patient go home, suffer and die.

Don't forget, we have freedom of religion in this country, and one's religion should not interfere in times like this.
 
exwisehe said:
If they say yes, then she alerts the doctor that there is no need to come to that room, let the patient go home, suffer and die.
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According to your belief, if the patient suffers and dies it is BECAUSE God wants him to die, it's in his powers to keep him alive otherwise. And, since you're such a believer, wouldn't you be happier dying so that you can finally meet him?
 
The tragic fact is, probably there is nothing left to do but to leave the oldest victims of this illness to die. Italy is partly in this mess because of lack of planning, but then it's easy to say after the fact. I think this pandemic pretty much caught everyone unawares.

So, let's say there are two victims, equally ill, one a 15-year-old, and the other a 95-year-old. There is only one respirator, and one hospital bed available. Which one should get it?
 
Sunny said:
So, let's say there are two victims, equally ill, one a 15-year-old, and the other a 95-year-old. There is only one respirator, and one hospital bed available. Which one should get it?
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Please don't get used to being the equivalent of a third-world country, which we seem to be becoming. There doesn't have to be a choice like that, there SHOULD be enough for everyone. Our infrastructure is falling apart; our roads, bridges, housing. You want to get used to that? I insist my grandson grow up with a future. I insist. I may be past the prime of fighting for things, but others are not, and if we can't help the next generation live a full life, then, yes, okay, let's get out of their way. Let's stop poisoning and polluting them with our nonsense.
 

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