So proud of america for going after isis ...and i am against war

I don't think so..they have lived together in peace for 60 years..it is the uprising of radical Muslims we should be afraid of..


Who has lived together in peace for 60 years?

The Palestinians have been oppressed and brutalized for decades by Israel. Food deprivation, water deprivation, abuse and humiliation by the IDF, indefinite incarcerations including of children under the age of 12 in some cases, home demolitions for no reason.....the list of atrocities is a long one. The fact that the majority of the population have no means to fight back and just take it is a long way from living together in peace.
 

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To be brutally honest, the USA and also my own country [UK] have made the mess that is now Iraq.How ironic that Islamists like ISIS are taking over. Saddam Hussein may have been a monster, but he had no time for fundamentalists. We have a duty to go to the aid of the Christians there and also a duty to wipe out ISIS.
 
I don't think going back over the years and comparing who did what to who helps at all, all our nations have made mistakes in their history, it's part of evolving. The do gooders on our planet insist on independence and democracy for all countries............. trouble is it is'nt that easy as we all know, democracy is an on going battle and some countries are not ready to govern themselves, look at all the African countries that have been given back their land and the right to rule themselves. Very few make it, they take millions in aid and build palaces and form private armies and still the homeless are homeless and the hungry are hungry!

America is taking the lead and quite rightly so, against these animals who are slaughtering civilians in the name of religion.............. whilst the Iraq army is no where to be seen, after all the billions of dollars and lives lost to sort out that country................. of course we have to do something.............arm the Kurds? and what if and when they defeat IS ? will they hand back their weapons to the Iraq army ??? I don't profess to know the answer, but I do know that these people are of a different culture to the west and have different values, they will take all we give and still turn their backs on us when it is over.

I certainly hope that none of our boys and girls ever set foot in that country again............. if we help, it has to be from afar........... the technolgy is there.
 

Living in the UK I often hear comments such as "American gung ho" and "trigger happy warmongers" also how Britain is just America's poodle and is not liked by Obama but you won't ever hear such criticism from my lips. I admire the American spirit and patriotism so much, What you went through after 9/11 has never been experienced by any of those countries who dare to criticise you. Thank god we have America as the watchdog of the western world, it would be a much scarier world without you. :love_heart:
 
To be brutally honest, the USA and also my own country [UK] have made the mess that is now Iraq.How ironic that Islamists like ISIS are taking over. Saddam Hussein may have been a monster, but he had no time for fundamentalists. We have a duty to go to the aid of the Christians there and also a duty to wipe out ISIS.

Just think how many American lives would have been saved if Saddam was still in power today,was he REALLY that bad compare to today wackos.
 
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/category/articles/

This website is produced by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts. His claim to fame and the basis of his credibility is academic appointments at Virginia Tech, Tulane University, Stanford U., Georgetown University to name only a few universities who have been privileged to work with him. He has written for The New York Times, the National Review, Harpers, The Washington Post and the Financial Times, again, only to mention a few. He was also the associate editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, a columnist for Business Week and was ranked by Forbes Media Guide as one of the top seven journalists in the US. As well, during the Reagan administration he was the Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and was confirmed in office by the US Senate and after leaving the Treasury, he served as a consultant to the US Department of Defence and the US Department of Commerce. This man has 'street cred' oozing from every atom of his being.

Sorry to say folks, he is in total disagreement with you and in his extremely qualified opinion feels that the US has gone completely off the rails and the things they used to stand for, ie. democracy, freedom, free markets, freedom of speech, etc., are a thing of the past.

A quick perusal of his articles gives you titles like:

Washington Has Placed the World on the Road to War

Washington Chokes Truth With Lies

The West is on the Wrong Path

Washington Threatens the Whole World.

(my opinion) In the midst of a 'War on Terror' we get to watch Washington standing by as their best bud and biggest welfare recipient, Israel once again slaughters 2000 Palestinians, start a war in Iraq on the pretence of WMD, arm Al Qaeda sympathizers in Syria (who in turn have gone back to Iraq to join up with ISIS), , almost start bombing Syria (but Russia intervened and settled that 'gas' controversy without more massive bloodshed) send drones into another country (Pakistan) without permission and killing many innocent civilians and then go on to arm Neo-Nazi's (and they knew it at the time) in Ukraine. And now they continually 'poke the Bear in the eye with a pointy stick' or more commonly known as sanctions, all the while knowing that Europe is the region that will pay that price even starting today in their economies and never mind if a third world war starts over this at which point they will really pay a bloody price.

For some reason the world chooses to ignore all that. Have we gotten into such a habit (due to not really knowing what was going on?) of trusting America to do good always, that we fail to note her governmental transgressions? I have no idea. But it seems to me since starting to read and get info away from the mainstream media and thanks to the internet, it's entirely possible to understand what is really going on with our governments. With 95% of all war related deaths being the civilians that those governments are supposedly 'protecting', I would say it's high time we started taking notes and keeping tabs and making some serious demands on all our governments.

I seriously don't mean to offend anyone here. As they say, "I even have American friends'. And I assure you that as a Canadian and particularly now as our Prime Minister ignores the environment and makes every effort to poke 'the Bear' with his little twig.....I'm not setting our Canadian politicians on any pedestal. My PM, Foreign Affairs Minister and whomever else in my government that is appropriate hear my opinion on various issues quite regularly. I once joked that I have their 'offices on speed dial' as they tend to hear from this voter quite a lot.

So while it's nice to hope/think that there is some stability somewhere in the world, I think it's critical to question it, read between the lines and trust nothing that comes out of the government. There are always strings attached that we fail to see until maybe it's too late.
 
Just think how many American lives would have been saved if Saddam was still in power today,was he REALLY that bad compare to today wackos.

That's an excellent point Davey. I actually heard a discussion on Sirius Radio (can't remember which show) where the one guy suggested that at least Saddam Hussein kept individuals like those who make up ISIS and that sort of crowd under control. His methods were brutal, his regime corrupt but that region did seem to be quieter than it is now. So you aren't the only one who's had that thought.


As for going back to 'fix things', hmmm, will anything ever fix that area if the Western world doesn't get it's act together and quit meddling? I'm not sure about that.
 
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Living in the UK I often hear comments such as "American gung ho" and "trigger happy warmongers" also how Britain is just America's poodle and is not liked by Obama but you won't ever hear such criticism from my lips. I admire the American spirit and patriotism so much, What you went through after 9/11 has never been experienced by any of those countries who dare to criticise you. Thank god we have America as the watchdog of the western world, it would be a much scarier world without you. :love_heart:


You might find this Americans perspective very interesting and an eye opener as well: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/category/articles/

'Thank God'.............maybe not.
 
That warms my heart !
I'm an American, living in Bristol, and I get so tired of hearing people over here
tearing America down !

America is far from perfect, but when really needed, it does come through.

ISIS is the biggest threat that we have faced since the Nazi's .. same brutal barbaric mentality..
and they want to take over the world, and subject everyone to their twisted demonic thinking.

All countries should be rushing to oppose them !!!

Why are they not?

They're on vacation!
 
That warms my heart !
I'm an American, living in Bristol, and I get so tired of hearing people over here
tearing America down !

America is far from perfect, but when really needed, it does come through.

ISIS is the biggest threat that we have faced since the Nazi's .. same brutal barbaric mentality..
and they want to take over the world, and subject everyone to their twisted demonic thinking.

All countries should be rushing to oppose them !!!

Why are they not?

They're on vacation!

Hi Elyzabeth, as you say, America is far from perfect, but if I were to criticise any country yours would certainly not be at the top of my list. The first would be the so-called mighty EU, where is the support badly needed to supress the endless march of ISIS through Syria and Iraq and the mass genocide taking place? you are so right when you say it is a replication of the brutal Nazi's, and it astounds me when anyone dare criticize any country's efforts to halt this march.

Look, I am a wife, mum and grandma living in the country where I was born and living my life the best I can, I don't for one minute pretend that I know half of what is going on in the middle east apart from what I read in the newspaper and see on the news, however, I am not stupid either, I see the horror of what is being inflicted on the innocents, I see what is happening and what is being done to try and stop it.

All one ever hears on any action taken to help seems to come everytime from the USA and the UK.
I get so sick of armchair critics here in the UK sitting on their backsides waving their anti-war flags slagging off our two countries for having the balls to step forward in taking on the islamic state terrorists with their vile warped, tunnel vision aim to control first the whole of the middle east and eventual control of the world. From day one when our previous government opened our borders wide and allowed all to enter, when anyone dared to protest when our laws, our way of life, our christian religion - were insulted by radicals posing as "minority groups" playing the multicultural card and demanding such as Sharia law in this country, we were threatened with being hauled before the courts as racists if we dared to utter a word of protest. Up came the racist card immediately.

We were shackled, blindfolded with a gag across our mouths whilst vile speakers such as Hamza and others were allowed to infiltrate, corrupt and brain-wash our own muslim youngsters to give up their democratic way of life and be radicilised and turned into terrorists, both abroad and here on our own british streets. And yet, these foolish armchair critics still sit there daring to criticise those doing their damnest to protect us. We now have the danger of being attacked in our own country and yet if this were to happen, they would still blame the USA and the UK for "interferring", talk about appeasement !!! I really despair for us all.
 
Hi Elyzabeth, as you say, America is far from perfect, but if I were to criticise any country ............... We now have the danger of being attacked in our own country and yet if this were to happen, they would still blame the USA and the UK for "interferring", talk about appeasement !!! I really despair for us all.


Hey TrickorTreat,

I think there are probably very few who would argue with you on the need to stop ISIS. I also think that the criticism that is levelled at the US has more to do with the attitude of imperialism that is practised by that administration over many, many decades. No other country in the world has military situated in over 100 countries in the world.

No other country is spending taxpayer dollars arming terrorists, all the while proclaiming the need for a war on terror, except the USA, even while they change and eliminate the civil rights of their own citizens. They trained and armed Osama Bin Laden, they armed Saddam Hussein, they armed the rebels in Syria, many of which are Al Qaeda sympathizers some of whom have apparently returned to Iraq to fight alongside ISIS. They armed and financed neo-Nazi thugs in the take-down of an elected government in Ukraine, and they continue to support that government with lies that have been exposed at least a couple of times.

They also have a history of putting in place governments to support their own ends despite the subsequent revelations that these governments were vile and corrupt. Hosni Mobaruk of Egypt springs to mind. He was theirs for years. Just like Saddam Hussein was their guy for years. And for decades, they've supported Israel with funds and silence in Israel's oppression of the Palestinian people.

Here's a link to a website of a man with world class credentials in the fields of government and journalism(check out his About page). http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/category/articles/ Dr. Paul Craig Roberts has numerous articles on his site that pinpoint the numerous bad acts of the American administration. And from his very worthy credentialed perspective, Dr. Roberts fears the American push towards some form of Third World War. And you should know that if that war comes in whatever form, Europe and Britain will feel the pain more (at least in the beginning) than America will.

Watching the news and reading your newspaper accomplishes little save you the public, hearing only what the government wants you to hear. If you actually are interested in what is happening in the world, that will seriously impact us all, it's necessary to go instead to alternate news sources. Global Research is one good site as is another called Zero Hedge. Links to these two sites are: http://www.zerohedge.com and http://www.globalresearch.ca

I think with so much 'news' from around the globe available these days and the 24 hour news cycle, it's extremely easy to lose track of who's doing what and why and who got caught doing what and why and particularly when it comes to governmental shenanigans. What we get from mainstream media these days is actually more accurately 'marketing'. And while we've learned to be suspicious of corporate marketing (is there really that much chicken in the chicken noodle soup?), I think we need to begin applying that same suspicion to our governments wherever they are and no matter what they say.

It should also be noted that as early as 1991, the US intended to disrupt the Middle East. Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya and a fifth (can't remember the name) were in their crosshairs. So says General Wesley Clark in this talk he gave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5q9PYy1NoA

Perhaps now it's a little clearer on where the criticism stems.
 
Hey TrickorTreat,

I think there are probably very few who would argue with you on the need to stop ISIS. I also think that the criticism that is levelled at the US has more to do with the attitude of imperialism that is practised by that administration over many, many decades. No other country in the world has military situated in over 100 countries in the world. No other country is spending taxpayer dollars arming terrorists, all the while proclaiming the need for a war on terror, except the USA, even while they change and eliminate the civil rights of their own citizens.

They trained and armed Osama Bin Laden, they armed Saddam Hussein, they armed the rebels in Syria, many of which are Al Qaeda sympathizers some of whom have apparently returned to Iraq to fight alongside ISIS. They armed and financed neo-Nazi thugs in the take-down of an elected government in Ukraine, and they continue to support that government with lies that have been exposed at least a couple of times.

They also have a history of putting in place governments to support their own ends despite the subsequent revelations that these governments were vile and corrupt. Hosni Mobaruk of Egypt springs to mind. He was theirs for years. Just like Saddam Hussein was their guy for years. And for decades, they've supported Israel with funds and silence in Israel's oppression of the Palestinian people.

Here's a link to a website of a man with world class credentials in the fields of government and journalism(check out his About page). http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/category/articles/ Dr. Paul Craig Roberts has numerous articles on his site that pinpoint the numerous bad acts of the American administration. And from his very worthy credentialed perspective, Dr. Roberts fears the American push towards some form of Third World War. And you should know that if that war comes in whatever form, Europe and Britain will feel the pain more (at least in the beginning) than America will.

Watching the news and reading your newspaper accomplishes little save you the public, hearing only what the government wants you to hear. If you actually are interested in what is happening in the world, that will seriously impact us all, it's necessary to go instead to alternate news sources. Global Research is one good site as is another called Zero Hedge. Links to these two sites are: http://www.zerohedge.com and http://www.globalresearch.ca

I think with so much 'news' from around the globe available these days and the 24 hour news cycle, it's extremely easy to lose track of who's doing what and why and who got caught doing what and why and particularly when it comes to governmental shenanigans. What we get from mainstream media these days is actually more accurately 'marketing'. And while we've learned to be suspicious of corporate marketing (is there really that much chicken in the chicken noodle soup?), I think we need to begin applying that same suspicion to our governments wherever they are and no matter what they say.

It should also be noted that as early as 1991, the US intended to disrupt the Middle East. Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya and a fifth (can't remember the name) were in their crosshairs. So says General Wesley Clark in this talk he gave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5q9PYy1NoA

Perhaps now it's a little clearer on where the criticism stems.

Hi Debby, I would like you to know that I fully respect your views regarding the USA, but again with respect, Dr Paul Craig Roberts' views are just that, the view of one man, so what gives any one man, or anyone for that matter, the right to assume their view of what is happening as being the correct one?

It is so easy to blame the USA for everything that has gone wrong in the world but as the most powerful nation and our main protector of the gateway to the freedoms and democracy that you and I have enjoyed and taken for granted all of our lives, all I am saying is that I am proud they are there to protect us regardless of past mistakes. I refuse to go along with the armchair critics notion that the USA should hold up their hands in submission and allow pure evil to simply walk through to contaminate the rest of us.

I am and always have been anti-war but even someone such as me with my limited knowledge of Middle Eastern affairs cannot fail to see what is happening right now and how fast it is happening. I am seeing with my own eyes what is going on, Terrorism on an unprecedented scale the likes of which we have never seen before is unfolding before our eyes and I will not be party to backing anyone who would allow this filth to take over our shores. The USA have already endured the horror of 9/11 as have the UK with 7/7 and the killing of a British soldier walking on a British street in London.

If the terrorists have their way this is just a foretaste of the horror to come and I don't doubt for a minute that it could not be being planned already, therefore I back anyone and anything that will stop them. I cannot undo past mistakes made, nobody can no matter how bad and how terrible the toll, I can only worry about now, how we have home-grown terrorists already within our midst brainwashed into just waiting for the word to act on behalf of these madmen.

I thank god that we have the USA willing and able to sacrifice their beloved sons and daughters to fight at the front with our own brave troops alongside them, to stem the tide of such evil not witnessed since the dark days of Nazism tried to do the same.
God bless America, I am thankful for them.
 
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Hi Debby, I would like you to know that I fully respect your views regarding the USA, ...........such evil not witnessed since the dark days of Nazism tried to do the same.
God bless America, I am thankful for them.


When you see an individual doing something bad/illegal and that will compromise your life or your families, do you just turn away and ignore it? Or do you A. call them on their behaviour or B. call the authorities? Given the issues that Dr. Roberts brings up (and please be assured, there are many, very intelligent people who follow the dealings of world governments and economics minutely, who have the very same concerns so it's not just his opinion) any one of which has the potential to impact the planet very seriously, should we not be letting that government know that they aren't operating in secret?

What is happening in the Middle East is a case of the 'American Finger in the Pie syndrome' going on. I was reading another article that was talking about how Quatar is funding ISIS and yet the US 'is on a first name basis' with that country! I said to my husband as I was reading that if you had a program the appropriate size so that you could keep track of who is 'in' with whom and who is funding whom and who is not, it would have to be enormous. It's getting harder by the day to keep track of all of that because it is a tangled web of intrigue and America is involved with all of them, including ISIS to some degree. And the UK plane coming down is looking more and more like the Americans were involved with that too inasmuch as they supported, funded and weaponized the current government when they were attempting to overthrow the elected government previous to it. Malaysia is already opining that the plane was shot down by fighter jets and Ukraine won't release any of the radar images from that moment. http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/08/09/mala-a09.html

I believe America should stop picking fights with other countries, they should stop meddling in governments and overthrowing them (and I fail to see how that goes along with 'protecting Democracy'), they should stop seeking to manipulate other countries and their own, politics and economics in an effort to protect their status as the holder of the privilege of being the worlds reserve currency country. I heard one guy refer to their reserve currency status as a 'privilege' that they have squandered as they printed money to slow down the slide to loosing it and brought on by their allowing derivatives to ruin economies around the world. That administration makes a pretence of getting along with the world but they've caused economic crashes, been the death of (according to a study out of a university in Washington http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131015-iraq-war-deaths-survey-2013/)half a million people and direct violence alone accounts for about 145,000 and now in Ukraine the deaths of civilians who are being taken out by neo-Nazi thugs that America supported.

We should be asking ourselves, how much of this would be going on in the Middle East if America hadn't been manipulating for lo these many decades?

If we turn our faces away and say nothing, are we not giving assent to this kind of negative behaviour? But hey, if you are comfortable with that, that's up to you. I on the other hand, feel uncomfortable with that philosophy. I'm more of a 'call it like I see it' person. And dare I say it, the Jews of Germany would have appreciated a few more people 'calling it like it was', at the time.

Might I suggest a quick perusal of the following article: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-is...ted-by-the-us-israel-and-saudi-arabia/5396171 and you will see what I mean about the tangled involvements over there. Have a pen and paper handy so you can keep track of the connections. It's quite interesting.
 
And TrickorTreat, lest you think that I'm just into bashing America for the sake of bashing America, I'm absolutely not. I appreciate that they and your Prime Minister had the balls to call out Israel for their continued murderous rampage in Gaza! That was outstanding and not something that my government has really done. And if I was in trouble in another country, I've long said that in that instance I would far rather be an American citizen because that government generally goes to bat for their citizens whereas my country has a policy of staying out of the fray beyond maybe, having the ambassador bring a toothbrush over.

A lot of great things (like the Internet even) have come out of American ingenuity, not to mention their music and movies......but......and for the record, I am also critical of my own government about a number of things that impact our country and they hear from me on quite a regular basis about those things. We need to start expecting the best out of the people that we elect to office instead of lowering our standards to match their behaviour.
 
I was against out going to Iraq or against any war, but there are legitimate exception's

such as the Second World War, that was defensive and necessary.

ISIS makes the Taliban look like child's play

they are crucifying and beheading people, lining up civilians and killing them , they are the most brutal and at this point,

the most well funded terrorist organization in existence.

They want to set up a Caliphate, which is to be ruled by those same extreme and brutal terrorists.


They as dangerous as the Nazi's were, and for the first time in quite awhile I see Obama taking action,

which is both necessary and justified.

HOORAY for America !!!

The problem is we are not going after them. Our so called president is pussy footing around like he always does. He has not made an intelligent decision since he has been in office.
 
Sorry, but he is stopping them in their tracks and has allowed the Kurds to retake the big dam. He is smart to keep the public at ease by slowly intervening as the situation requires. Even some Republicans are applauding his actions...
 
Back to the most terrible terrorists we have ever seen

...and they as bad as the Nazi's

James cameron today said, that the beheading of journalist james foley was depraved...

How about those crucifixions dave, and the burying alive of women and children...

Don't they rate?

Isn't it time to call back parliament from their vacations?

I notice that the depravity and terroirs of isis

did not interfere with your own holiday...???
 
Not to be little the threat posed by ISIS but I think of them as a lethal troll. They don't give a crap, they grave attention and they want to wreak as much havoc as possible. They need to spoken of in terms of a common criminal, not a political radical. Beheadings are not political speech but rather the work of psychopaths, narcissists and pr hounds. If they were charged with a crime it would be first degree murder along with depraved indifference. At least one of these terrorists needs to be captured and put on through war crimes trials then executed.

Say what you will about the initial invasion of Iraq this is now our mess to clean up. Another mess will occur but this one we should be cleaning up. People forget but we had to go over to Europe en mass two times in 25 years a century ago. Some only learning after a second or even third resounding defeat.
 
Yes, after the tragic end of the James Foley it seems that our efforts to withdraw and stay out will now be reversed, and quickly...
 
Back to the most terrible terrorists we have ever seen

...and they as bad as the Nazi's

James cameron today said, that the beheading of journalist james foley was depraved...

How about those crucifixions dave, and the burying alive of women and children...

Don't they rate?

Isn't it time to call back parliament from their vacations?

I notice that the depravity and terroirs of isis

did not interfere with your own holiday...???

Actually I believe David Cameron did cut his holiday short and Obama made a brief statement and returned to the golf course. Hmmm, what can you say when the knife that killed Mr. Foley maybe was distributed by the CIA? http://www.nationalreview.com/campa...ks-cameron-cancels-vacation-obama-returns-his
 
FAB !!!!!

Anything done to prevent ISIS from crucifying people, beheading them and burying people alive..
I am FOR !!!

These "people" ISIS are the enemy of everything decent in humanity

and they must be wiped out.. or they will wipe us out..

And, they make no secret of that!



they are just like the Natzi's
 


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