Coronavirus.... herd stupidity

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I apologize for touching on a political aspect of my last posting
the coronavirus is serous enough
and should stand alone
in my writing

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I wonder how the man carrying the COVID-19 sign
would feel spending a week on a ventilator?
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….thinking back to the photographs of spring break where tens of thousands of (supposedly) intelligent collage students decided it was ok to gather en masse despite the lethal virus pandemic surrounding them, today I looked at the news photographs of 'we the people' gathering closely together to protest the shelter in place regulations.

I know the President is floating the three step plan to reopen America, and I know a number of governors are doing that even as I type this posting, but come on folks are you that desperate to have another Starbucks coffee or spend a couple hours walking in the mall.... must you really sit in a movie theater when you could stream your favorite movies at home.

We have endured, toilet paper shortages and now facing a meat and poultry shortage due to plants shutting down because of the spread of the virus, is it really that urgent to get back to life before the pandemic? Do you really want to have a relapse of even greater magnitude with COVID-19, because we failed to wait another few weeks?

I don't understand this virus nor the often conflicting information being fed to us from our representatives via the news media. I have heard in Dallas, Texas one must ware a mask when shopping or among other people but later in another article it says the mask does nothing to protect the wearer and if you live in a county next to Dallas county they do not require the mask.

All I am saying in this posting is wake up people
we know for sure there is a virus out there killing people,
is it an impossible task to just respect this killer virus
and not make yourself
an easy target?​
 

60-year-old Ohio man who dismissed the state’s coronavirus lockdown as a ‘political ploy’ and claimed the governor didn’t have the authority to close businesses because of the pandemic has died of COVID-19.

John W. McDaniel tested positive for the coronavirus in late March and died at Riverside Methodist Hospital in Columbus last Wednesday.

On Facebook, he had dismissed the killer virus as a 'political ploy' that he said officials were using to exert control over the public.


'Does anybody have the guts to say this COVID19 is a political ploy? Asking for a friend. Prove me wrong,' he wrote in a March 13 post.

He later claimed governors did not have the 'authority' to shut down bars and that anyone who was worried about becoming sick should 'just' not go out.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...itical-ploy-dies-contracting-coronavirus.html


May he R.I.P but sadly there's far too many people who are under the same impression as this man, and may suffer the same fate by not following the rules...
 

hollydolly said:
60-year-old Ohio man who dismissed the state’s coronavirus lockdown as a ‘political ploy’ and claimed the governor didn’t have the authority to close businesses because of the pandemic has died of COVID-19.

John W. McDaniel tested positive for the coronavirus in late March and died at Riverside Methodist Hospital in Columbus last Wednesday.

On Facebook, he had dismissed the killer virus as a 'political ploy' that he said officials were using to exert control over the public.


'Does anybody have the guts to say this COVID19 is a political ploy? Asking for a friend. Prove me wrong,' he wrote in a March 13 post.

He later claimed governors did not have the 'authority' to shut down bars and that anyone who was worried about becoming sick should 'just' not go out.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...itical-ploy-dies-contracting-coronavirus.html


May he R.I.P but sadly there's far too many people who are under the same impression as this man, and may suffer the same fate by not following the rules...
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Sadly, when one of my friends posted an article about this man on FB and said, please friends, pay attention and do not put yourselves in danger, a woman he knows that was also a friend of the man who died went absolutely bonkers and jumped down his throat saying the guy didn't really die of COVID-19 and that all deaths are counted as such. . . when my friend replied that he wasn't badmouthing the man or his family, just trying to warn others that it is very real and that it is not very smart to ignore the doctors and health department on this, she went even more ballistic and said: Then you must think I'm stupid because I'm not staying home. I was SHOCKED!
 
To some a financial death is worse than a physical one because financial stability and sufficiency is their's and a lot of other's lives. Existence and 'life' are 2 different things to many. Also this person died form 'complications' related to the virus which means he could've had underlying conditions which made his bout with the virus worse.
 
IrisSenior said:
I have said before and will say again; better safe than sorry. I do realize this is very hard with some people what with grocery shortages and loss of income and conflicting information.
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Plus there are too many people who simply won't cooperate with anyone telling them what to do.. even if it's a situation where their own or someone else's life may be in danger.
 
Confusion reigns supreme. A lot of people don't know who to trust. Sometimes the same source will say one thing one day and something else the next. There is a lot of guess work going on. First it was face masks aren't needed, now they are. Apparently they don't protect the wearer, but they protect others from people who don't know they are carriers. And, apparently there are a lot of these.

The states that are lifting sheltering in place are conducting a dangerous experiment. Time will tell whether they are doing the right thing.

This will not be the last pandemic. Maybe we can learn something from this one to be more ready for the next.

Don
 
My neighbor, a nurse,...... said that many/all that are dying of a respiratory related disease is being listed as a COVID victim. She went on to say that in her experience [20+] years, these folks [elderly] would very likely have died from respiratory failure in due time anyway. Did testing positive for COVID help it along? We'll never know I suppose. But IMO, COVID has become a very convenient blanket just now ?
 
Hard to know what to believe, isn't it? What's hype, and what's not. Who had an underlying condition, and who did not. But imagine being a small business owner and having to completely close your business, your life's work, indefinitely. Imagine being a hairdresser. You are now completely without income or the possibility of income for how long? This sucks no matter how you look at it. If the government can close down your business because of a disease, what other excuse can they use, real or imagined? Lotsa questions, not any answers. Nobody can foresee the future. Will there be a second wave? No one really knows. And I guarantee you the media always, always predicts the worst.
 
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My neighbor, a nurse,...... said that many/all that are dying of a respiratory related disease is being listed as a COVID victim. She went on to say that in her experience [20+] years, these folks [elderly] would very likely have died from respiratory failure in due time anyway. Did testing positive for COVID help it along? We'll never know I suppose. But IMO, COVID has become a very convenient blanket just now ?
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That strikes me as kind of cold hearted. What does she mean by due time? If someone has 5 or 10 good years of life left, then Covid is no big deal? There are people on this forum with respiratory problems. They might think it's a big deal.

There have been over 45,000 deaths from the virus in the U.S. in just a couple months, and not all of them were elderly. A convenient blanket?

Don
 
WhatInThe said:
To some a financial death is worse than a physical one because financial stability and sufficiency is their's and a lot of other's lives. Existence and 'life' are 2 different things to many. Also this person died form 'complications' related to the virus which means he could've had underlying conditions which made his bout with the virus worse.
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However you want to spin it, the fact still remains that the virus shortened this man's life.
 
Grampa Don said:
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That strikes me as kind of cold hearted. What does she mean by due time? If someone has 5 or 10 good years of life left, then Covid is no big deal? There are people on this forum with respiratory problems. They might think it's a big deal.

There have been over 45,000 deaths from the virus in the U.S. in just a couple months, and not all of them were elderly. A convenient blanket?

Don
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Yes. Anything that shortens a person's life is a very big deal, IMO. For that matter, we all are going to die "in due time." So does that mean we should all just go out and stand in front of a train?

What does "a convenient blanket" mean anyway? Some kind of new conspiracy theory?
 
Thinking people know there are things that don't add up.
CarolfromTX said:
Hard to know what to believe, isn't it? What's hype, and what's not. Who had an underlying condition, and who did not. But imagine being a small business owner and having to completely close your business, your life's work, indefinitely. Imagine being a hairdresser. You are now completely without income or the possibility of income for how long? This sucks no matter how you look at it. If the government can close down your business because of a disease, what other excuse can they use, real or imagined? Lotsa questions, not any answers. Nobody can foresee the future. Will there be a second wave? No one really knows. And I guarantee you the media always, always predicts the worst.
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Exactly. And what will happen after Coronavirus disappears & a few years later, the government says, "This year's flu season is the worst yet....hospitals are being overwhelmed......the virus has mutated....hundreds of thousands are dying.....the vaccine is ineffective....we must close everything & stay home."
 
Grampa Don said:
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That strikes me as kind of cold hearted. What does she mean by due time? If someone has 5 or 10 good years of life left, then Covid is no big deal? There are people on this forum with respiratory problems. They might think it's a big deal.

There have been over 45,000 deaths from the virus in the U.S. in just a couple months, and not all of them were elderly. A convenient blanket?

Don
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Not meant to be cold at all.....but she said these folks were much "older" and had been battling respiratory problems for quite some time. Again...did COVID push them over the edge [so to speak] ? Likely we'll never know....but the hospital listed them as a COVID victim.

IMO, that is not getting to the bottom of things, and yes @ that time it becomes a blanket.

Not being sure of the cause, or fudging the numbers about the disease [in any way] is just plain wrong too me.

I have heard several reports that the hospitals [somehow] gain financially {IF} they report COVID as a cause of death..........as opposed to stating it as just respiratory failure.
 
Yes, the human "herd" can be pretty stupid. As I read our local paper & look at several news sites on the www, I find thousands of photos of people with their masks. These people have become "media darling" just like Princess Diana & O. J. Simpson were in their days. The media could not get enough of them. If you read what doctors & nurses have said, it comes down to the fact that a mask cannot protect you from the Kory virus. It only protects other people if you are coughing & wheezing. But if you are coughing & wheezing why in the hay are you out in the public? You should be home & have your groceries delivered right to your door. Now, if you work in a hospital, it's a different story. However, only certain masks will protect the virus from spreading. There are a lot of "little ole' ladies" sewing masks from pieces of cloth. I very much doubt if they are anything but totally useless. Washing hands, using sanitizers & social distancing is the best way to stop the spread of this terrible Kory virus.
 
The question is what is the acceptable percentage of the population that has to die from a virus, before we do something about it. To be honest, I don't know. In 2017, we lost about 60,000 people due to the flu. Most don't even know that many died with the flu, 3 years ago. So why now, what is so special about those dying from a virus, now. Is 60,000 lives enough or 120,000? Out of the US population of 328,000,000? How many deaths justifies economic distress? And 'economic distress' isn't some billionaires hedging their portfolios; it's millions, who don't have enough money for rent or food. There is no great huge government financial safety net for those millions. Being financially wiped out now, can destroy promising futures. It can alter the coarse of people's lives. I don't understand why 60,000 died in 2017, and nobody really cared enough to halt our economic growth, but now, 60,000+ may die, and we need to up end our economy. And the isolation measures do not prevent the virus' spread, it delays the spread, since we do not have a cure for the virus.
 
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Yesterday, I thought our family were all well....We are in another State....So I get a message someone in my family may have the virus...
It's just 2 people in the house....one is in bed...waiting for results....The hospital's are over capacity in New Jersey....(I'm beside myself)
I can't help....No one else can go in the house....I can't even go home, anyway...Sorry for this...Be well, everyone...….
 
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Yesterday, I thought our family were all well....We are in another State....So I get a message someone in my family may have the virus...
It's just 2 people in the house....one is in bed...waiting for results....The hospital's are over capacity in New Jersey....(I'm beside myself)
I can't help....No one else can go in the house....I can't even go home, anyway...Sorry for this...Be well, everyone...….
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Peppermint, my prayers for your family member! Try not to panic.
Even if you could go home, you would not be allowed to visit this person.

Please keep us updated and try to be strong.

🙏🙏🙏❤
 
RadishRose said:
Peppermint, my prayers for your family member! Try not to panic.
Even if you could go home, you would not be allowed to visit this person.

Please keep us updated and try to be strong.

🙏🙏🙏❤
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♥ Thank You.
RadishRose said:
Peppermint, my prayers for your family member! Try not to panic.
Even if you could go home, you would not be allowed to visit this person.

Please keep us updated and try to be strong.

🙏🙏🙏❤
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fuzzybuddy said:
The question is what is the acceptable percentage of the population that has to die from a virus, before we do something about it. To be honest, I don't know. In 2017, we lost about 60,000 people due to the flu. Most don't even know that many died with the flu, 3 years ago. So why now, what is so special about those dying from a virus, now. Is 60,000 lives enough or 120,000? Out of the US population of 328,000,000? How many deaths justifies economic distress? And 'economic distress' isn't some billionaires hedging their portfolios; it's millions, who don't have enough money for rent or food. There is no great huge government financial safety net for those millions. Being financially wiped out now, can destroy promising futures. It can alter the coarse of people's lives. I don't understand why 60,000 died in 2017, and nobody really cared enough to halt our economic growth, but now, 60,000+ may die, and we need to up end our economy. And the isolation measures do not prevent the virus' spread, it delays the spread, since we do not have a cure for the virus.
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And, no one in their right mind is blaming those flu deaths on people who didn't stay home. By that logic, when I got the flu 38 years ago, I could have sued all my co-workers who used my phone, touched anything on my desk, used the restroom before me, breathed near me, spoke near me or came closer than 6 feet to me. Or didn't wear a mask. I likely got it from one of them.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
The question is what is the acceptable percentage of the population that has to die from a virus, before we do something about it. To be honest, I don't know. In 2017, we lost about 60,000 people due to the flu. Most don't even know that many died with the flu, 3 years ago. So why now, what is so special about those dying from a virus, now. Is 60,000 lives enough or 120,000? Out of the US population of 328,000,000? How many deaths justifies economic distress? And 'economic distress' isn't some billionaires hedging their portfolios; it's millions, who don't have enough money for rent or food. There is no great huge government financial safety net for those millions. Being financially wiped out now, can destroy promising futures. It can alter the coarse of people's lives. I don't understand why 60,000 died in 2017, and nobody really cared enough to halt our economic growth, but now, 60,000+ may die, and we need to up end our economy. And the isolation measures do not prevent the virus' spread, it delays the spread, since we do not have a cure for the virus.
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Because the virus is new and different from anything else. Because the people dying are in addition to all the other “normal” deaths Including the flu which has a vaccine and can be treated in the first 3 days. Because if we hadn’t closed down, more would die.

Because, in this country, the deaths are greater in younger people. But, hey, I could be wrong. If you think it’s all for nothing then by all means do what you want.
 

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