Why would you teach a nine year old to use a uzi

Young people in lots of places are taught to shoot, Africa, Central America. its only civilized countries with their heads in the clouds that don't. This one went bad.
 
you have the uzi over rated. and your talking about a familial relationship, not someone of unknown skills which is the strange part to me. it appears so far that the instructor was simply trying to give the girl the experience of shooting an UZI, before going home, not necessarily training her.

it appears that the girl (family) was from New Jersey visiting the area.
 

We all had guns when we were kids.

.22 rifles mostly. One friend had a 16 ga shotgun & I used my grandfathers old 20 ga double barrel on occasion.

But the idea of a kid needing to shoot an automatic was non existant.
 
select fire, if one on your 22's loaded the next round without manual assist its an automatic. the devil is the details.
 
Key word-teach. Not necessarily fire but TEACH. With a slow progression from live single shot fire to automatic fire.
 
rt3 said:
select fire, if one on your 22's loaded the next round without manual assist its an automatic. the devil is the details.
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But it's still a stark contrast - a 9-year-old girl, one year short of legal age in her home state of New Jersey for hunting animals, paired up with a gun that is pretty much limited to hunting humans, whether you call it an auto or select fire.

I don't suppose the parents will feel the need to assume some of the blame?
 
she just as easily could have held all the rounds down range, if you watch the video, the instructor moves the switch and the weapon discharges, but instead the weapon torques to the left, something went wrong (besides the obvious, nine years old gun etc.).
the uzi is really much easier to shoot (less recoil, get back on target etc) than a shotgun, which many kids hunt with, even semi autos. they are not used for hunting humans, as pistol cartridges are very close range, compared to something like an AK 47 round. sub guns make up for lethality because of the higher probability of multiple hits. There is something in the relationship between the parents and the instructor that has yet to come up.

I see the New York Times has jumped on Jim's bandwagon. "Guns don't kill people, nine year old with pony tails and pink shorts do" oh that's cold.
 
"Guns don't kill people, nine year old with pony tails and pink shorts do" oh that's cold.
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Actually it was the bullet but secondary to that it was either the gun or the girl. What else could it be?

Yes I realise that it was an accidental death but the point still stands.
Guns, bullets and children are not a good combination.
 
my point was simply that the anti-gun New York Times will use another death to promote their agenda.

The same as the contribution of Microsoft's Bill Gates to the anti gun campaign of 6 million dollars in Washington state. Can the grass roots American be bought off? time will tell.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Actually it was the bullet but secondary to that it was either the gun or the girl. What else could it be?

Yes I realise that it was an accidental death but the point still stands.
Guns, bullets and children are not a good combination.
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Yes, you & I & every other sane, rational minded adult on the planet understand that.

But the gun loons are like Bible thumping fundie religious fanatics when it comes to guns.

They want everyone indoctrinated as young as possible, so that means that children MUST be taught how to fire any & all types of guns as young as possible. Give them the taste & get them hooked early in order to increase the chances that they'll grow up into obedient, brainwashed little NRA drones who vote conservative based primarily on the 2nd amendment.

Guns are these people's religion.

Or at the very least, one of their main religious icons.
 
MrJim said:
Yes, you & I & every other sane, rational minded adult on the planet understand that.

But the gun loons are like Bible thumping fundie religious fanatics when it comes to guns.

They want everyone indoctrinated as young as possible, so that means that children MUST be taught how to fire any & all types of guns as young as possible. Give them the taste & get them hooked early in order to increase the chances that they'll grow up into obedient, brainwashed little NRA drones who vote conservative based primarily on the 2nd amendment.

Guns are these people's religion.

Or at the very least, one of their main religious icons.
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Perfect description....It is just so unbelievable stupid that adults think it is acceptable to put children and guns together.
 
Don't know why this girls parents had her shooting this, unless it was the sign posted "Shoot A Machine Gun" by the Range. Some signs can really attract people to do things, especially when on vacation. We all talk about how some people will go out and buy something they see advertised on tv or stop someplace (while on a vacation), because of a sign posted, to do something exciting. Going to Disney World is excitement enough for some parents and their kids, while shooting a machine gun (UZI) is REAL excitement to other parents and their kids (at least that's what the parents and their kids think).

As for me, and my wife, we say "no thanks" to shooting one.

While living in Colorado, we went out to the eastern plains area and stopped by a Range, that was advertising in a local paper, about new membership. Nothing was stated about type of firearms. Well, we got there and an employee took us around the Range in their golf cart. We heard the typical firing of rifles and handguns, BUT, as we rounded a corner, I could hear "rat, tat, tat, tat" and asked what that was. He said, "that's our UZI Range, would you like to try it?" I looked at my wife and could see in her eyes the words "no way" and so I looked at him and said "no thanks, but would like you to take us back to our vehicle so we can get out of here!". Nothing was said after that, except "goodbye" by him and "thanks" by us.
 
One of the biggest tourist attractions in Hi, Las Vegas, for visiting tourists whose countries have strict gun control and few civil liberties is visiting a shooting range, and shooting a select fire weapon. It goes a little deeper than a comparison of Disneyland, which we can give credit for rewriting and destroying some of the greatest literature written, and address civil rights and basic freedoms.
Choosing not to be involved is good, its when you tell others they can't be the trouble will start.
Stupid to me is the teenager who was sunbathing in the drive way with her ear phones on and her dad back over killing her.
The control loons would have you believe that rational behavior is somehow definable. Naturally criminals have rational thought, and the control loon"s religion is the only correct one.

A recent Federal judge ruling declared Mass. ban on "assault weapons" ok which will kick it to the Supreme Court. Hopefully this will force the court to define what constitutes infringe etc. With 8 million "assault rifles" and 20% of the population having these , it will be a real issue as no one having them is going to "turn them in" and will literally define the outcome of the November elections. With less than .3% of the crimes committed with this type of weapon it will be a defining moment for the 2nd amendment.

Sorry to jet of track here, but for some reason Mr. Jim wants to do some type of psycho analysis, of which he is neither qualified, nor accurate.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Actually it was the bullet but secondary to that it was either the gun or the girl. What else could it be?

Yes I realise that it was an accidental death but the point still stands.
Guns, bullets and children are not a good combination.[/QUOTE]


Dont let the NRA and Wayne LaPierre hear you talking like that. Their motta seems to be "Let the children begin to shoot ANY kind of weapon"
I think thats in their constitution too.



Don
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rt3 said:
Sorry to jet of track here, but for some reason Mr. Jim wants to do some type of psycho analysis, of which he is neither qualified, nor accurate.
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IOW, I was, to use a shooting related euphemism that you ought to appreciate, right on target. :rofl:

And obviously hit a nerve, too.
 
well your shot missed its mark, you are slow on the draw, you are shooting with rubber bullets, and you shoot with a limp wrist, (causes the gun to misfire)

insane, assault, innocent, drugs, etc are legal terms defined by the Federal government you do not get to change their meanings to suit your agenda. Unfortunately they are bandied about by lay people under the assumption every one shares the same definition.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
The state of Massachusetts seems to take gun safety for children very seriously.
The new laws make sense to me.

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/08/guns.html
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...from the article..

According to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, Massachusetts, which just passed new gun control measures, is among the 28 states and D.C. that have laws restricting access to guns by anyone under 18 years of age, without a permit, and among the 14 states with laws that "impose criminal liability on persons who negligently store firearms, where minors could or do gain access to the firearm."

....this should be the law nationwide.
 
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