Do you believe the saying, "It takes a village to raise a child?"

grahamg

Old codger
Its an off repeated phrase isn't it, and I suppose to some extent everyone of us were "brought up", or raised by a combination of people outside our parents, and immediate family, (such as influential teachers we admired and took a particular interest in encouraging our progress).

However, I believe there is an element of the wider community taking ownership of our own children inherent in the topic phrase. Do each one of us try to take ownership of the children we might have something to do with, friends children for example, and go so far as to interfere in their lives, (I'd guess most would say no to that question?)? .

Does it take a village to raise a child in your opinion? 🤔 .
 

Absolutely I believe this. In a village everybody knows everybody and most will keep an eye on any children who are out on their own and will pull them up if they are being destructive or reckless.

As a former teacher, when I was travelling on public transport and some young kids were doing dangerous things I would put on my voice of authority and intervene. If they were behaving badly and using foul language I would tell them to keep their voices down because the passengers did not want to hear them. They looked surprised, not knowing where the voice came from.

IMO it does children good to know that even though their parents are not present, there are other eyes on them. I've never had anything worse from them than some soto voce mutterings. Usually they came to heel and changed their behaviour.

I might add that I am just 5ft 1in tall but I have no fear of children, not matter how much they tower over me. I think my experience as an outward bound leader has helped.

I would be just as ready to help a child needing assistance. The villagers would do no less.
 
I think humans are meant to live in small communities, where everyone is responsible for each other. We live very unnatural lives these days and I think this why we have so many problems. People have lost touch with each other.
 

Its an off repeated phrase isn't it, and I suppose to some extent everyone of us were "brought up", or raised by a combination of people outside our parents, and immediate family, (such as influential teachers we admired and took a particular interest in encouraging our progress).

However, I believe there is an element of the wider community taking ownership of our own children inherent in the topic phrase. Do each one of us try to take ownership of the children we might have something to do with, friends children for example, and go so far as to interfere in their lives, (I'd guess most would say no to that question?)? .

Does it take a village to raise a child in your opinion? 🤔 .
I don't believe that it is 'ownership' of others children, so much as partial responsibility. As a preschool teacher and summer childcare teacher for children up to age 14, I did indeed feel a need to help guide children and protect them. When a neighbor's children were ordered to play outside in the dead of winter and I saw them without gloves, I quickly gathered up every pair I could find and handed them out. That winter, I continued to supply them with gloves that I sewed from left-over blanket fleece. Did the parent(s) resent this? I have no idea, as I never met the parental unit(s) - but, I didn't care. If my own children faced danger - or misbehaved in my absence, I would hope that a responsible person would intervene.
 
Sadly not in this day and age as most the time it would be looked at as interference. People are more fearful about other people prying into their lives and calling authorities if they think something is wrong. We have lost the trust of neighbours. It's all good to help other children at times but I don't think parents appreciate it as much as they should. I am also sure the school system helps kid more then they should but again, it is not appreciated most of the time.
 
Not really.

I believe that all of the people we encounter help to shape our lives.

I do believe Aristotle when he said, “Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.”
Ferocious said, "You look after the girl until she is 18, then I'll show her around town." 😊
 
Its an off repeated phrase isn't it, and I suppose to some extent everyone of us were "brought up", or raised by a combination of people outside our parents, and immediate family, (such as influential teachers we admired and took a particular interest in encouraging our progress).

However, I believe there is an element of the wider community taking ownership of our own children inherent in the topic phrase. Do each one of us try to take ownership of the children we might have something to do with, friends children for example, and go so far as to interfere in their lives, (I'd guess most would say no to that question?)? .

Does it take a village to raise a child in your opinion? 🤔 .
Absolutely not. I disagree with that approach 100%. When my kids were children, for example, there were various "others" in their lives- teachers, pediatricians, etc.- but those people had specific roles/jobs and stayed within those boundaries, it had nothing to do with "raising" the kids.

I believe the approach I've been seeing in recent years/decades is destructive to families in general and children specifically- the approach that all of those others are parents' 'partners' and have equal or even more 'say.' It's basically reached the point where the only role parents have in kids' lives is to provide financial support.
 
Granted, there are some parents who are incompetent or worse- example: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ad-short-neglected-life-uncle-says/825132001/ because of the approach that "biology" means "rights," but at the same time it's gone past ridiculous when school teachers can throw away children's lunches if they "disapprove" of something, or an incident I read about a couple of years ago where parents were threatened with loss of custody if they insisted their kid attend church when he didn't want to do so.
 
No I don't believe it. Know one raised my kids but me and some help when needed from my Mom and Dad.
A few times I was asked by neighbors to watch their kids for a couple of hours. Those couple of hours turned into several with lunch included.
One time one of them left their daughter with me after dinner. The hours passed and finally at 11 PM she had sent her son to get the kid. I didn't call because I just wanted to see how long she was going to wait before she came for her child.
After that I offered no help and asked for none.
 
Its an off repeated phrase isn't it, and I suppose to some extent everyone of us were "brought up", or raised by a combination of people outside our parents, and immediate family, (such as influential teachers we admired and took a particular interest in encouraging our progress).

However, I believe there is an element of the wider community taking ownership of our own children inherent in the topic phrase. Do each one of us try to take ownership of the children we might have something to do with, friends children for example, and go so far as to interfere in their lives, (I'd guess most would say no to that question?)? .

Does it take a village to raise a child in your opinion? 🤔 .
A village is not needed.

Reflecting on my own childhood, when I was growing up there wasn't a neighbour in our hood that I would have felt uncomfortable approaching and asking for help if help is what I needed, and in fact I remember my mom telling us kids, if you need something or it's an emergency, you are to knock on so-and-so's door.

To a large degree, everyone watched over everyone, because everybody knew everybody, and in many ways, I believe that helped guide children to better manners and conduct, even providing children with a sense of safety and calm. Also remember when moms stayed at home, there was always someone in the home for a child to go to.

As for taking control of and extending a sense of ownership of a child in your care, that was me. I did a lot of babysitting growing up, and while I was fair, I was strict, and I lived up to the ideal of owning other people's children in my care, right down to administering a spanking when a spanking was due.

I think that's where society today I failing, because most homes I know of, both parents work, so there's no one at home for the children to go to, and unlike yesteryear when everybody knew everybody, it's not like that anymore, and even more troubling to me is the fact that so many parents nowadays don't even know their own children's parents, which was unheard of when I was growing up.

To touch on how my childhood was in relation to ownership, and how important that fundamental was, the mothers of my friends used to make random telephone calls to my mom every now and then to do surprise checkups on their kids, just to make sure my friends were actually where they said they were going to be, and my mom used to do the same with me, unbeknownst to me at the time, so going back to the whole ownership thing, I feel a stronger sense of responsibility existed back in the day compared to nowadays, because had you let your guard down (back in the day when parenting was actually parenting, unlike today), and Mrs., so-and-so decided to call to do one of her check-ups, how embarrassing and undermining it would be to get caught red-handed in allowing so-and-so's daughter or child under your watchful eye to wander off outside of the boundaries that were stated as to their visit (i.e., I'm here to visit Margaret).

Related to my own younger years, single digits, had I stepped out of line bad enough at a friends or neighbours house, I could expect the same punishment/discipline as my friends got, right down to and including a spanking. That's the way it was, and I seen and still see not a thing wrong with it.

So while I don't believe it takes a village to raise a child, I'm a firm-believer in the idea that an extra set of responsible, caring hands, along with a couple extra sets of watchful eyes can't hurt.
 
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Enjoyed all the posts....(and did someone sneak in a 170 odd word paragraph in there? :giggle: ).

I once watched a programme about children orphaned in Sri Lanka by the tsunami approximately twenty years ago. An elder from the devastated village in question could go through every single child and state the family members they had lost, and their names. I don't think it was stage managed, just an example of the closeness shown there in the aftermath of a tragedy.
 
Well, it's another rare topic my parents and I agreed on: parents are in charge, whether they're present or not.

In the past, I only knew one couple (slightly older than me) who had the opposite approach, that whomever is present is in charge, all adults and even older kids have 'authority' over children, etc . I never allowed that couple to be alone with my kids, because frankly I didn't trust them. And their approach didn't do their kids any good, either- I'm sure it's quite confusing to a child when rules, consequences, etc., all depend on where he is and who he's with.
 
Enjoyed all the posts....(and did someone sneak in a 170 odd word paragraph in there? :giggle: ).

I once watched a programme about children orphaned in Sri Lanka by the tsunami approximately twenty years ago. An elder from the devastated village in question could go through every single child and state the family members they had lost, and their names. I don't think it was stage managed, just an example of the closeness shown there in the aftermath of a tragedy.
Ah-ha... you're going to teach me yet to be on my toes ! LOL!

It's uplifting to know there are still countries in this world today that retain such a sense of familiarity and care.
 
Well, it's another rare topic my parents and I agreed on: parents are in charge, whether they're present or not.

In the past, I only knew one couple (slightly older than me) who had the opposite approach, that whomever is present is in charge, all adults and even older kids have 'authority' over children, etc . I never allowed that couple to be alone with my kids, because frankly I didn't trust them. And their approach didn't do their kids any good, either- I'm sure it's quite confusing to a child when rules, consequences, etc., all depend on where he is and who he's with.
I agree. It's one thing for a caregiver to be in charge, but I don't buy into a few or a group of people being in charge, just because they're older. That's off the wall as far as I'm concerned.
 
Don't forget about the perverse weirdos out there. My daughter-in-law's family are ones to tell the kids to go hug adults whether the kids know them or not. I find this to be odd behavior and tell the kid, it's OK, you don't have to if you don't want to. Why would anyone insist their kid to do that?
And it can be even worse. Quite awhile back, I heard of two or possibly three kids- pre-teens, not little children- who were brought up with the "kids must obey all adults" approach, willingly went along with strangers, and ended up murdered.
 
I tread cautiously regarding the whole perv thing.

Yes, let's be on our toes, but let's not build-up something to a level that isn't there.

My husband used to stop at kids lemonade stands and donate what pocket change he had to the cause, and how sweet it was, but he won't anymore, because of the loose manner in which society paints people, and that's a shame.
 
I can remember when any mother in the neighborhood could lean out the window and yell "YOU STOP DOING THAT!" and we obeyed, as well we should because we were usually doing something we shouldn't be doing.

I was grateful for all the help I received from family and friends in raising my daughter. Children need the love and caring and cultural input from a group of people.
 
Yup. Problem is when they become adults many from those villages they become codependent mooches having gotten used to so many doing for them.

Should clarify that I believe that concept exists and is practiced but do I agree?-No
 
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I did grow up in a village. A remote logging camp of only two hundred or so souls. I certainly did learn some interesting things from some of the 'villagers" (especially the lifelong confirmed bachelor loggers who liked women but not marriage). Whether or not they ultimately proved a positive or negative influence on my "raising" is open to debate. Those old reprobates certainly gave me a lot of ideas to try out after I left home though.
 

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