Signs, Symbols and Omens, do you believe in them ?

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This morning there was an unusual flurry outside my bedroom window, 4 pigeons were flying and flapping around, 3 settled on the roof and one on my window sill, looking in at me....

Google said, ‘Over the years, pigeons and doves have been a symbol of happiness, peace and bliss. ...however, in christian beliefs it was said, if a pigeon appeared on the window of a home, someone in the home would soon die’

Slightly worrying, as I’m the only one who lives here ! 😳
 

Wren said:
This morning there was an unusual flurry outside my bedroom window, 4 pigeons were flying and flapping around, 3 settled on the roof and one on my window sill, looking in at me....

Google said, ‘Over the years, pigeons and doves have been a symbol of happiness, peace and bliss. ...however, in christian beliefs it was said, if a pigeon appeared on the window of a home, someone in the home would soon die’

Slightly worrying, as I’m the only one who lives here ! 😳
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No, I'd consider incidents like that to be coincidental, without any special meaning.
 
Wren said:
This morning there was an unusual flurry outside my bedroom window, 4 pigeons were flying and flapping around, 3 settled on the roof and one on my window sill, looking in at me....

Google said, ‘Over the years, pigeons and doves have been a symbol of happiness, peace and bliss. ...however, in christian beliefs it was said, if a pigeon appeared on the window of a home, someone in the home would soon die’

Slightly worrying, as I’m the only one who lives here ! 😳
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In some cultures, Wrennie, it's a sign that someone tall dark and handsome will be coming into your life very soon, so get your slap on girl, I'll be around later.....:LOL:
 
Once, years ago at work, we had a bird feeder outside my office and doves would come and go. One late fall I saw this snow white dove and a chill went up my back. Its said the white dove, while being a symbol of the "spirit or soul" is also an omen of death, as a white dove is easy prey to owls and hawks.

My mother died in January of the next year, not long after seeing the white dove by the feeder.
 
Well, there is a problem with omens. How do the birds know what to do, where to do it, and when to do it. And if the birds were mere messengers, who told the birds, and then how did that one know what will be happening. I think the Romans used to read omens from birds. It didn't do them much good. Really, when was the last time you saw a Centurian. Again with omens, who ,or what is sending secret messages to you? Why would you think a bird that leaves crap on your car windshield is mindful of the future?
 
Usually military type people pay attention to omens. For instance, we live close to where General Sam Houston, who's men were very restless, because they hadn't been ordered to go after Santa Anna after the battle of Goliad in March of 1836, had camped. Houston it was said, was sitting on a rock and observed a bird that circled him 3 times. He had been adopted as a teenager by Cherokee Indians, who gave him the me of "Raven".

Where previously for many days he had shown no inclination to attack, that day, after seeing the bird, which he took as an omen obviously, he marshalled his men, going after Santa Anna, defeating his army in 18 minutes at the Battle Of San Jacinto.

As far as the Roman Army goes:

  • The Roman army was the largest and meanest fighting force in the ancient world. One of the main reasons Rome became so powerful was because of the strength of its army.
Not bad for following bird omens.
 
For Christians, the white dove is considered the symbol of the Holy Spirit.

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I have never heard of the "pigeon harbinger of death" thing being anything in christian circles, although I'm always open to correction. I've had friends from Peru who are devout Catholics putting an egg (symbol of fertility) under their pillow when trying to conceive, but it's not their Catholic beliefs that drive such behaviour.

Regarding "omens"...I don't believe in them. There could be dozens of times a pigeon has been at the window and it's been an unremarkable event. If somebody in the household dies at some point, and someone else says "I saw a pigeon at the window last week!", correlation becomes causation.

Perhaps interpreting things as a sign to engage in an activity does serve as a confidence-placebo that causes the person to focus. We've all seen dogged determination that refuses to give up. Maybe "seeing an omen" turns itself into the person's not even acknowledging obstacles...they just march forward. It's their manifest destiny!
 
RadishRose said:
I never heard all this about pigeons or crows. But I have heard that owls were believed by some native tribes to be an omen of death.
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Michael Murhpey's "Wildfire":

Been a hoot-owl howling outside my window now
'Bout six nights in a row
She's coming for me, I know

That entire song is built on a native American legend about a ghost horse.
 
gennie said:
I'm often struck by weird, unusual or just plain amazing coincidences that happen in life. Things that could never have been arranged or made to happen but mesh so well, it seems it was magic.
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The tangent to this subject are all those times we think of someone we have not spoken with in years, and they call. And I always say "I was just thinking of you and should have called first, because I knew you were going to."

It does give one pause., doesn't it?
 
It was the kerfuffle all four pigeons were making that caught my attention, if it had just been the single one on the window sill I wouldn’t have given it a seconds thought :)
 
In The Sticks said:
I have never heard of the "pigeon harbinger of death" thing being anything in christian circles, although I'm always open to correction. I've had friends from Peru who are devout Catholics putting an egg (symbol of fertility) under their pillow when trying to conceive, but it's not their Catholic beliefs that drive such behaviour.

Regarding "omens"...I don't believe in them. There could be dozens of times a pigeon has been at the window and it's been an unremarkable event. If somebody in the household dies at some point, and someone else says "I saw a pigeon at the window last week!", correlation becomes causation.

Perhaps interpreting things as a sign to engage in an activity does serve as a confidence-placebo that causes the person to focus. We've all seen dogged determination that refuses to give up. Maybe "seeing an omen" turns itself into the person's not even acknowledging obstacles...they just march forward. It's their manifest destiny!
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I've not heard of the white dove "harbinger of death" connection with respect to religion, but its a known fact that albino species are easy prey and that's why the white dove is sometimes viewed as the death omen, as they usually don't last long in the wild.
 
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