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I have a lot of questions about this Murder. But, let’s start at the beginning. First, why did it take so long to bring charges? Second, why did the person that had the video wait so long before he released it? I am kind of surprised the man that made the recoding went on TV and explained his reasons for making the video. I think I may have considered doing this covertly. He may have wished that he kept it anonymous. The McMichael’s are in deep do-do.

I have been out of the loop for awhile and am just now catching up on the news, so maybe someone can help answer these questions.

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Well of course we can only reply as to what the various media are reporting, but this is such a big issue that it's made it over the pond to the uk, so we've read a lot about the case so far.

Today we saw video footage of the murdered boy actually going into the empty property which was under construction, but didn't take anything. It was also reported by some American Media that the owners of the property are friends , and indeed gave rights to the McMichaels to keep an eye on the property for them, they have denied both accusations ... they say they don't even know the McMichaels, and certainly would never have condoned any action they took with regard to the killing of this boy for entering their property or even stealing from it ( if he had)
 
I think the "Stand Your Ground" law is as stupid as can be. I knew it would inspire some people to play policeman without the training or knowledge or responsibility that should go with it.
I don't need a law to tell me I have the right to defend myself, but I'd never confront someone because I thought they may have committed a crime. That's what calling the police is for.
 
Well, the [retired] cop, should not have played [working] cop. He never should have involved his son either. I mean, follow the kid if you're sure he's up to no good, [if] you're legal, maybe carry a side-arm , but keep it holstered. [But not a damn shotgun] !

The kid {Arbery} should have never grabbed the gun .

Yes I know, no answers there ...... but let's face it ..... What can be said about something like this?

I wonder if alcohol was involved, on part of the father & son ?
 
rgp said:
The kid {Arbery} should have never grabbed the gun .
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I disagree. If some racist nutjob was pointing a rifle at me like he did with the murdered victim, I sure as heck would be trying to grab the firearm away from him, or at least direct it away from my body. To stand there like a dummy in a situation like that when you're about to be killed, to me, is insane and not realistic. I just wish that grabbing the firearm resulting in saving his life, but unfortunately it didn't.

May he rest peacefully, my heartfelt sympathy to his family for their senseless loss.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I disagree. If some racist nutjob was pointing a rifle at me like he did with the murdered victim, I sure as heck would be trying to grab the firearm away from him, or at least direct it away from my body. To stand there like a dummy in a situation like that when you're about to be killed, to me, is insane and not realistic. I just wish that grabbing the firearm resulting in saving his life, but unfortunately it didn't.

May he rest peacefully, my heartfelt sympathy to his family for their senseless loss.
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I Heartily agree with you SB
 
I read two different accounts of the story as it was played out. The one story kept referring to Mr. McMichael and I wasn't sure which McMichael the reporter was referring to. In law enforcement, we always use the titles of Mr. for any age of a male and Miss or Mrs. for any age of a female. However, later in the story it did make the comment, "Mr. McMichael and his son Travis, so that kind of separated the father from the son.

The first Prosecutor decided not to prosecute based on his findings that the McMichaels acted in accordance with the law. In my opinion, I think that because he (Mr. McMichael) was a long time investigator for the D.A.'s office, the Prosecutor was 'maybe' doling out a favor. (I have seen this during my career.) The second Prosecutor asked to be recused based on his son having a relationship with Travis McMichael.

The third Prosecutor after viewing the video and speaking with other law enforcement officials, including those in the GBI decided to issue an arrest warrant, but now also wants the blessing of a Grand Jury before trying the case. BUT, wait, Holy Cow!! The third Prosecutor has now handed the case off to a fourth Prosecutor. What the heck is going on here? The Fourth Prosecutor is a young, black woman from Cobb County. The third Prosecutor passed the case off because of two reasons; one, he felt that Cobb County had more experience with handling these types of cases and also had more resources available to them and two, the Arbery's attorney asked him to pass the case to a black Prosecutor.

I haven't seen the video, but the video was very well depicted and stated accurately, according to the state Prosecutor. Based on that, I don't know what was going through these people's minds. If you confront an unarmed person and did not witness that person doing anything illegal, I don't know what kind of defense you will present to a jury. Stand your ground law certainly cannot be applied in this case. No one can shoot at someone and base their actions that "they thought" whatever. What you thought you saw is not a defense that is going to get you off the hook. You have to have witnessed a crime 'and' fear for your own safety.

If I were either of the McMichaels, I would be looking for a plea deal because their chance of getting a not guilty verdict is slim to none. This is not a winnable case, unless something more comes to light. The Grand Jury could also charge these men with a hate crime, only because they never witnessed the young man doing anything illegal and they are white and the young man is a person of color. As for the Arbery kid grabbing the barrel of the gun, so what? He had a right to try to defend himself. This man with the gun wasn't the law, so he couldn't claim resisting.

In closing, I would also like to point out that this is a damn shame. A young man out for a run and gets shot and killed because two yokels thought he looked like a picture of an intruder they happened to have seen. This is insanity at its worse.
 
911 said:
I haven't seen the video, but the video was very well depicted and stated accurately, according to the state Prosecutor. Based on that, I don't know what was going through these people's minds. If you confront an unarmed person and did not witness that person doing anything illegal, I don't know what kind of defense you will present to a jury. Stand your ground law certainly cannot be applied in this case. No one can shoot at someone and base their actions that "they thought" whatever. What you thought you saw is not a defense that is going to get you off the hook. You have to have witnessed a crime 'and' fear for your own safety.

If I were either of the McMichaels, I would be looking for a plea deal because their chance of getting a not guilty verdict is slim to none. This is not a winnable case, unless something more comes to light. The Grand Jury could also charge these men with a hate crime, only because they never witnessed the young man doing anything illegal and they are white and the young man is a person of color. As for the Arbery kid grabbing the barrel of the gun, so what? He had a right to try to defend himself. This man with the gun wasn't the law, so he couldn't claim resisting.

In closing, I would also like to point out that this is a damn shame. A young man out for a run and gets shot and killed because two yokels thought he looked like a picture of an intruder they happened to have seen. This is insanity at its worse.
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Well said @911, I agree with you.
 
win231 said:
I think the "Stand Your Ground" law is as stupid as can be. I knew it would inspire some people to play policeman without the training or knowledge or responsibility that should go with it.
I don't need a law to tell me I have the right to defend myself, but I'd never confront someone because I thought they may have committed a crime. That's what calling the police is for.
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This is not a case of Stand Your Ground, in any state.
This is not self-defense.
They pursued the guy.
 
I'll wait for all the facts to come out.

I hate this initial getting people all stirred up with the headlines, only to have the truth get buried later on Page 8.

Of course, if it is as it appears, these guys should be crucified. But just as Trayvon Martin was made out to be an angel with pics of him at 9 and none of his Facebook gangsta posing, Arbery was previously charged with bringing a gun onto school property. I had to look for that piece of info (it was in the local paper where this happened)...it appeared in none of the national stories.

Recall what was done to Zimmerman? National news organizations edited the 911 call when they played it day after day after day to put him in a bad light. We all learned what a "white Hispanic" was from our color-blind media.

I know what's coming so I'll say it again: if it happened the way it's being presented, those two should pay the price. Period.
 
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SeaBreeze said:
I disagree. If some racist nutjob was pointing a rifle at me like he did with the murdered victim, I sure as heck would be trying to grab the firearm away from him, or at least direct it away from my body. To stand there like a dummy in a situation like that when you're about to be killed, to me, is insane and not realistic. I just wish that grabbing the firearm resulting in saving his life, but unfortunately it didn't.

May he rest peacefully, my heartfelt sympathy to his family for their senseless loss.
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Well, ya saw how much good it did him. Had he surrendered ?... he might still be alive ?
 
In The Sticks said:
I'll wait for all the facts to come out.

I hate this initial getting people all stirred up with the headlines, only to have the truth get buried later on Page 8.

Of course, if it is as it appears, these guys should be crucified. But just as Trayvon Martin was made out to be an angel with pics of him at 9 and none of his Facebook gangsta posing, Arbery was previously charged with bringing a gun onto school property. I had to look for that piece of info (it was in the local paper where this happened)...it appeared in none of the national stories.

Recall what was done to Zimmerman? National news organizations edited the 911 call when they played it day after day after day to put him in a bad light. We all learned what a "white Hispanic" was from our color-blind media.

I know what's coming so I'll say it again: if it happened the way it's being presented, those two should pay the price. Period.
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First, I don't think anyone is getting all "stirred up," or at least, I'm not and it's very presumptuous of you to think that anyone of us here on the board is. It's no hidden secret that Arbery took a gun to a high school basketball game when he was 19, but now he's 26 and to the best of my knowledge, he has been clean during those years.

There's no doubt that all of the facts will come out, but none of that has much to do with what the real interest in this case is. The real interest is two-fold. One, what will the Grand Jury recommend for charge or charges and two, presuming that this case goes to trial, what will be the outcome. This is where I draw the line. I never presume a jury's decision. I have been disappointed on many occasions.

I will also comment on one other notable item in this case. I agree that the video shows that both men pursued Arbery, however, only the younger McMichael did the shooting. I can imagine that the dad will cut a deal for a lesser charge since he wasn't the shooter. Going to trial may be a really bad outcome for him. And, even though Arbery is shown throwing or attempting to throw a punch at the younger McMichael, his motive for doing so was clear. He was attempting to protect himself.

So, yes, there are some other facts that will need to be looked at, but I wouldn't be taking any bets that either of these two men will take a walk and they shouldn't be.
 
@911: I was referring to the media getting the world at large spun up, as always happens when one of these vids surfaces...not anyone here. This is all over the news and all over the web.

And I'll say it again: You cannot initiate contact and then claim self-defense. In fact, that specific provision is in the law in my state, as though it even needs to be said. You cannot be part of creating the conflict and then claim you are apart from it.

If these guys thought anything was wrong, they should have called 911, same as the rest of us would have done. None of us have the right to pursue.
 
I'm going to keep it real for ya. This was a Black man who was shot by White perps, one of whom is a retired investigator for the DA's office there. Ahmaud Arbery was killed because he made the mistake of jogging through a White neighborhood where no one knew him. He was killed because racist SOBs decided to be judge and jury when there wasn't even a crime committed! If it was up to the local officials there would still be no charges filed....DA's office claimed "conflict of interest".

The father and son claimed they were concerned because there had been robberies in the neighborhood so they got in their truck and followed this man who was minding his own business, just trying to stay healthy and decided to make a "citizen's arrest". The robberies story has now been reported as being false. Now they're being treated so kindly.....being separated from the general jail population. Everything about this stinks! I wish they had thrown their as*es in with some "brothas" who knew exactly what they had done! This is happening too often to too many of my people. I'm frustrated, I'm heartbroken and I'm angry!
 
rgp said:
Well, ya saw how much good it did him. Had he surrendered ?... he might still be alive ?
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@rgp, I know you're a smart person, so you can't be serious. Surrender? A black man surrendering to two racist yahoos who are drooling for a kill? This is more of a reality, he surrenders, they both proceed to beat the life out of him with their fists and kicks, then they put a bullet in his head or chest. Their story....he attacked them and they had to protect themselves.

Let's keep things real here, this was a murder of a black man in cold blood for no reason other then hating people of color. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....they by golly, it IS a duck.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
I'm going to keep it real for ya. This was a Black man who was shot by White perps, one of whom is a retired investigator for the DA's office there. Ahmaud Arbery was killed because he made the mistake of jogging through a White neighborhood where no one knew him. He was killed because racist SOBs decided to be judge and jury when there wasn't even a crime committed! If it was up to the local officials there would still be no charges filed....DA's office claimed "conflict of interest".

The father and son claimed they were concerned because there had been robberies in the neighborhood so they got in their truck and followed this man who was minding his own business, just trying to stay healthy and decided to make a "citizen's arrest". The robberies story has now been reported as being false. Now they're being treated so kindly.....being separated from the general jail population. Everything about this stinks! I wish they had thrown their as*es in with some "brothas" who knew exactly what they had done! This is happening too often to too many of my people. I'm frustrated, I'm heartbroken and I'm angry!
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Yeah....their attorneys will be repeating that nonsense over & over. They were concerned about black people in the neighborhood, just like Zimmernut was. From their photos, they look like a matched pair of morons who have too much blood in their alcohol streams.
 
win231 said:
Yeah....their attorneys will be repeating that nonsense over & over. They were concerned about black people in the neighborhood, just like Zimmernut was. From their photos, they look like a matched pair of morons who have too much blood in their alcohol streams.
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You can tell that just from looking at photos?!
 
911 said:
I read two different accounts of the story as it was played out. The one story kept referring to Mr. McMichael and I wasn't sure which McMichael the reporter was referring to. In law enforcement, we always use the titles of Mr. for any age of a male and Miss or Mrs. for any age of a female. However, later in the story it did make the comment, "Mr. McMichael and his son Travis, so that kind of separated the father from the son.

The first Prosecutor decided not to prosecute based on his findings that the McMichaels acted in accordance with the law. In my opinion, I think that because he (Mr. McMichael) was a long time investigator for the D.A.'s office, the Prosecutor was 'maybe' doling out a favor. (I have seen this during my career.) The second Prosecutor asked to be recused based on his son having a relationship with Travis McMichael.

The third Prosecutor after viewing the video and speaking with other law enforcement officials, including those in the GBI decided to issue an arrest warrant, but now also wants the blessing of a Grand Jury before trying the case. BUT, wait, Holy Cow!! The third Prosecutor has now handed the case off to a fourth Prosecutor. What the heck is going on here? The Fourth Prosecutor is a young, black woman from Cobb County. The third Prosecutor passed the case off because of two reasons; one, he felt that Cobb County had more experience with handling these types of cases and also had more resources available to them and two, the Arbery's attorney asked him to pass the case to a black Prosecutor.

I haven't seen the video, but the video was very well depicted and stated accurately, according to the state Prosecutor. Based on that, I don't know what was going through these people's minds. If you confront an unarmed person and did not witness that person doing anything illegal, I don't know what kind of defense you will present to a jury. Stand your ground law certainly cannot be applied in this case. No one can shoot at someone and base their actions that "they thought" whatever. What you thought you saw is not a defense that is going to get you off the hook. You have to have witnessed a crime 'and' fear for your own safety.

If I were either of the McMichaels, I would be looking for a plea deal because their chance of getting a not guilty verdict is slim to none. This is not a winnable case, unless something more comes to light. The Grand Jury could also charge these men with a hate crime, only because they never witnessed the young man doing anything illegal and they are white and the young man is a person of color. As for the Arbery kid grabbing the barrel of the gun, so what? He had a right to try to defend himself. This man with the gun wasn't the law, so he couldn't claim resisting.

In closing, I would also like to point out that this is a damn shame. A young man out for a run and gets shot and killed because two yokels thought he looked like a picture of an intruder they happened to have seen. This is insanity at its worse.
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I completely agree! I read somewhere that the McMichaels claimed they ere trying to make a "citizen's arrest," wich apparently is legal under certain circumstances under Georgia law. I seriously doubt that such circumstances were present here, as the McMichaels witnessed no crime being committed; they just thought he looked like someone who may have committed some previous burglaries in that area (which probably means that he was a Black man who happened to be in a mostly white area).

I hope they both do some serious prison time.
 
C'est Moi said:
Surrendered?? For Pete's sake, those two murderers had no authority. There was NO REASON to kill that man. I am so disgusted that this crap is still happening in this country.
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We all have the authority of citizens arrest ......It still might have been the smart thing to do, as opposed to grabbing the business end of a shotgun. Surrender, wait till the real police show up.

Hell, we don't know all the facts, we may never know. Maybe he tried to jerk the gun away... and the other guys finger was on the trigger....and so it goes off.

Did you watch the video ?
 

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