George Floyd was a victim

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And what happens if the apparent suspect DOES comply completely with the police? What happens when after complying with the police, the suspect is detained with needless force by three officers and they kill him? What happens when the police report doesn’t match the endless videos that prove otherwise? What happens when the police don’t follow proper procedure and the subject dies after stating that they can’t breathe 15 times?

I’ll tell you what happens. The suspects not following police procedure get fired, since they aren’t worthy of the role and get charged with murder!!!

Yes some will bend these facts to suite their own agenda since they have their own axe to grind but luckily they aren’t the professionals in charge.
 

rgp said:
Usually when someone supports criminals, it's usually because they themselves have a criminal history, or someone in their family does.
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Can you prove that assertion, please? It sounds like an opinion. Thank you.
 

rgp said:
OK, I can answer both in one simple reply. When encountered by police in a criminal suspicion situation .... arrest coming. We are expected to comply with the commands of the officer (s) . If the suspect does not . Anything can happen. And often times it does not go well for the suspect. I'm good with that. IMO, that is indeed the message we need to send. Disobeying the police, trying to escape , will likely go bad for criminals........I recommend not doing it. I have no use for the criminal element in our society , they are our "in close" enemy , the police are our protection from them.
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Obviously suspects should be expected to comply with the police when being arrested, but you favour a shoot to kill policy in all circumstances then, regardless of the fact DNA evidence, and photographic evidence means suspects running away can more easily be picked up than in times gone by, some time later?
We all rely upon the police to protect us, but rules of engagement when the police do their very difficult job is what is being discussed here, and most everywhere, and all the police should kill in your view, should a suspect resist or attempt to run away?
In WWII the criminal element in Britain were offered the option of remaining in jail, or fighting for their country, and some chose to fight, and demonstrate their usefulness to society very clearly.
 
Keesha said:
And what happens if the apparent suspect DOES comply completely with the police? What happens when after complying with the police, the suspect is detained with needless force by three officers and they kill him? What happens when the police report doesn’t match the endless videos that prove otherwise? What happens when the police don’t follow proper procedure and the subject dies after stating that they can’t breathe 15 times?

I’ll tell you what happens. The suspects not following police procedure get fired, since they aren’t worthy of the role and get charged with murder!!!

Yes some will bend these facts to suite their own agenda since they have their own axe to grind but luckily they aren’t the professionals in charge.
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"I’ll tell you what happens. The suspects not following police procedure get fired, since they aren’t worthy of the role and get charged with murder!!!"

That doesn't even make sense ..........suspects not following police procedure get fired ?
 
rgp said:
"I’ll tell you what happens. The suspects not following police procedure get fired, since they aren’t worthy of the role and get charged with murder!!!"

That doesn't even make sense ..........suspects not following police procedure get fired ?
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Yes as in what happened in this George Floyd incident. These police officers not following police procedure got fired because they took the law into their own hands and murdered the man which is WHY they got charged with murder.
 
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Sunny said:
Supporting human rights = "Supporting criminals," eh?
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Maybe the human rights of former police officers could be respected, even when they have the label correctly attached to them of "criminal", should a court convict them(?). :unsure: .
I've sympathy even for the officer accused of murdering George Floyd, because he's a human being, probably with a clean record until this event, and because feeling no sympathy at all for anyone suspected of as crime, who ends up losing their !life, where there was viable alternative action the police could have taken, seems an unnecessarily polarised position to take.
There is one thing about having " devils advocate" arguments being put forward, it prompts more discussion doesn't it. :sneaky: .
 
I haven't contributed to this thread
and it was on purpose

Yes, a bad cop killed a man
a black man

Yes, that kinda stuff has to stop

But, how folks have handled this tragedy is obscene
It's gone from protests to something very wrong

A criminal element has taken over

I'm embarrassed for our nation

I've been embarrassed for young black America for quite some time now

Opportunity is rife here

Try finding the same opportunity anywhere else in the world.
If you are born in America you’ve won life’s economic lottery. Take advantage of it.

The problem is this generation has been taught to be a victim, and it’s still going on.

I'm not talking just blacks

I don't give a good goddamn what color you are

Quit sticking yer hand out and contribute, not just take

Get these bad cops put away

But do it right

As far as Black Lives Matter....every life matters
 
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StarSong said:
All true. If you were born white, that is.
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There was a time
Now?
Shoot, all my friends make more money than me, and have zero race issues
Oh, and they're Afro, Asian, Mexi
Heh, I have more friends of a different color than I do white

But, yeah, there was a time...certainly was

I s'pose big cities are different
I do hate big cities
 
Keesha said:
Yes as in what happened in this George Floyd incident. These police officers not following police procedure got fired because they took the law into their own hands and murdered the man which is WHY they got charged with murder.
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I still do not follow the "suspects" not following police procedure ? "Suspects" are supposed to follow police commands.
 
Gary O' said:
I haven't contributed to this thread
and it was on purpose

Yes, a bad cop killed a man
a black man

Yes, that kinda stuff has to stop

But, how folks have handled this tragedy is obscene
It's gone from protests to something very wrong

A criminal element has taken over

I'm embarrassed for our nation

I've been embarrassed for young black America for quite some time now

Opportunity is rife here

Try finding the same opportunity anywhere else in the world.
If you are born in America you’ve won life’s economic lottery. Take advantage of it.

The problem is this generation has been taught to be a victim, and it’s still going on.

I'm not talking just blacks

I don't give a good goddamn what color you are

Quit sticking yer hand out and contribute, not just take

Get these bad cops put away

But do it right

As far as Black Lives Matter....every life matters
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I agree that we can remove obstacles and create opportunities for all Americans but it will always be up to the individual to seize those opportunities and do the work to make a life for themselves.

I have been watching the different politicians speak about what is needed and it has started me wondering why some individuals seem to be able to use what is available to them and thrive while others are unable to put the pieces together to create a life for themselves.
 
Aunt Bea said:
I agree that we can remove obstacles and create opportunities for all Americans but it will always be up to the individual to seize those opportunities and do the work to make a life for themselves.

I have been watching the different politicians speak about what is needed and it has started me wondering why some individuals seem to be able to use what is available to them and thrive while others are unable to put the pieces together to create a life for themselves.
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But not many young people will stay in school and go for honest work when parents and others of influence take dropping out, selling drugs, etc. as no big deal.
 
StarSong said:
All true. If you were born white, that is.






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There might have been a time when that was true ? Matter of fact I'm sure it was but ...........

I was born in 1949, and I do not believe we {I} had any advantage that was not available to a black guy born the same year. I attended a school [high school] that had a huge black contingent. If he did not take advantage of the opportunities available ? That's on him, and i feel no sympathy for him.

I was raised in a single parent household [mom]. My mother was involved in a very serious car crash , I had to quit school to help pay bills. She got back on her feet , I continued high school at night, graduated. Sought out some targeted training , got a job ......... Fast forward ....... I am now retired, financially comfortable , never committed a crime in my life.

No reason in hell why a black guy could not have done the same......Many here keep saying skin color doesn't matter/shouldn't matter ............ Why doesn't that cry apply here the same?
 
Keesha said:
The suspects WERE the police officers which AGAIN is why THEY were arrested.

You understand this perfectly well but are just messing with us all because you don’t like the outcome but that’s REALITY!
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I'm so glad you seem to think ................ you know me better than I know me.

In the beginning , the 'only' suspect was Floyd....you jumped to naming the officers as suspects .

You always seem to think I am playing some game here ? ....... I am not ! I am serious about every aspect , and serious about every word i type.
 
JaniceM said:
But not many young people will stay in school and go for honest work when parents and others of influence take dropping out, selling drugs, etc. as no big deal.
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A lot of inner city schools are failing for a few reasons. One is they cannot recruit the better teachers. They do not want to teach at inner city schools because many of the students are disruptive and have behavioral problems. Most inner city schools receive more money than urban schools, but they must qualify by their student rankings, which they have failed to do. More money would provide a better education through purchasing modern books and technology tools, like computers. They could also pay their teachers more money, but because of the reasons stated, they will not come into the cities.

The majority of inner city black kids come from single family homes. No guidance, no discipline equals a poor education. Compare that to many of the former DACA kids now being professionals. Inner city blight produces gang-bangers and drug dealers. Gangs also run rampant.

As we watch what’s going on now with Black Lives Matter and all the money being thrown their way, it’s not going to produce better opportunities for young blacks. Where are those millions of dollars going? Anyone know?





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Keesha said:
The suspects WERE the police officers which AGAIN is why THEY were arrested. You understand this perfectly well but are just messing with us all because you don’t like the outcome but that’s REALITY!
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rgp said:
I'm so glad you seem to think ................ you know me better than I know me. In the beginning , the 'only' suspect was Floyd....you jumped to naming the officers as suspects . You always seem to think I am playing some game here ? ....... I am not ! I am serious about every aspect , and serious about every word i type.
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You make no concession as far as anyone having a poorer start in life than yourself, maybe not so smart, maybe hit mental health issues, no way anyones life held back by racial prejudice you think, (don't let me put any words in your mouth, I'm not claiming to know you!?)? Did you hold these views all your life, whilst the civil rights movement was at its height, and an icon like Dr. MLK was assassinated, (another criminal you think, he spent time in jail didn't he, held in so!itary confinement?)?
 
grahamg said:
You make no concession as far as anyone having a poorer start in life than yourself, maybe not so smart, maybe hit mental health issues, no way anyones life held back by racial prejudice you think, (don't let me put any words in your mouth, I'm not claiming to know you!?)? Did you hold these views all your life, whilst the civil rights movement was at its height, and an icon like Dr. MLK was assassinated, (another criminal you think, he spent time in jail didn't he, held in so!itary confinement?)?
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I worked with guys that marched with King ....they say he wasn't the angel so many think that he was.

I didn't know him, he was in his prime & killed when I was just a teen/young man. So I won't say anymore but, these men really opened my eyes [& others] about him.
 

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