Putin Losing Support, Thousands March Against Ukraine Fighting

I know about the internet Debby, as I said we're slowly losing some of our freedoms, but I don't think it will ever get as bad as Russia, China, etc. At least I hope not! :p One good thing about being old, if the $hit does hit the fan, I'll be long gone by then. :) Here, so far, we just have to go through background checks to purchase a firearm. For a concealed carry permit, you must attend classes, etc.
 

SeaBreeze said:
I know about the internet Debby, as I said we're slowly losing some of our freedoms, but I don't think it will ever get as bad as Russia, China, etc. At least I hope not! :p One good thing about being old, if the $hit does hit the fan, I'll be long gone by then. :) Here, so far, we just have to go through background checks to purchase a firearm. For a concealed carry permit, you must attend classes, etc.
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I've had the same thought about not hanging around long enough to see things get really bad (if they don't change drastically that is!) I figure that I've got at least 26 more years and how much can go wrong in 26 years right? Uh oh, silly question that last one.
 
Speaking about the Coast show, they had an interesting one on last night, another topic you won't hear on the news. Was hard to stay awake for it all though.

The Money Mafia



Date:
09-22-14
Host:
George Noory

Former Minister of National Defense in Canada, Paul Hellyer discussed his new work researching the New World Order, the U.S. shadow government, and the 'money mafia' which is at the apex of the cabal that has been running the U.S. and much of the world since World War II.

Hellyer lamented that an "international banking cartel" has seized power over the planet by hijacking the ability to print money, which it then loans with interest, and utilizing a fractional-reserve banking system, which allows it to multiply its assets at an incredible rate. Over the last half century, he contended, the powers behind this banking cartel have used their wealth to surreptitiously influence governments around the world in order to further their own agenda.

He warned that the goal of this 'money mafia' is to ultimately replace democracies with an "unelected government answerable to them." Hellyer charged that organizations like the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberger Group, and the Trilateral Commission are the key drivers behind influencing policies towards this objective of creating a global autocratic government. "They have some pretty ambitious plans for us," he mused, "and I don't think that the people are really aware of what they are or how far advanced that they are." To that end, he was hopeful that the general population will realize the nefarious plot that is underway and put a stop to it before it is too late.

On how people can reassert control over the destiny of the planet, Hellyer stressed that the power to create money must be taken from the banking cartel and returned to individual nations. "Banks should be nothing more than, basically, a public utility," he declared, "providing a service to people instead of being in charge of the world." He also called for a "moral and spiritual revolution" where seeking wealth is no longer the principal preoccupation for the population.

Although he conceded that "the odds are long" that this crooked banking system can be toppled, he suggested that an informed citizenry reaching critical mass could possibly effect the changes needed to do so. Later in his appearance, Hellyer also shared his thoughts on 911 as well as the UFO phenomenon.
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Paul Hellyer was 91 years old, and appeared to be very credible...http://www.paulhellyerweb.com/
 
SeaBreeze said:
I know about the internet Debby, as I said we're slowly losing some of our freedoms, but I don't think it will ever get as bad as Russia, China, etc. At least I hope not! :p One good thing about being old, if the $hit does hit the fan, I'll be long gone by then. :) Here, so far, we just have to go through background checks to purchase a firearm. For a concealed carry permit, you must attend classes, etc.
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Not even... you can still buy firearms on the internet AND at gun shows with NO background check. It's only done at dealers. Ahh.. concealed and carry.. I have to imagine if some of the folks I know were "packing" Oh. good grief.. whatever could go wrong?
 
The laws vary by state. My husband purchased a rifle at a gun show, and they did a background check. I believe it's the same with internet sales now. Any responsible citizen who is comfortable with guns and knowledgeable about their safe use, etc. should be allowed to protect themselves (or you) with a concealed carry firearm. I know if I'm in a public place and some mentally ill person on prescription medications comes in to kill some people, I'd be more than happy and thankful for a concealed carry citizen to stop the insanity before any innocent folks lose their life.
 
SeaBreeze said:
Speaking about the Coast show, they had an interesting one on last night, another topic you won't hear on the news. Was hard to stay awake for it all though.



Paul Hellyer was 91 years old, and appeared to be very credible...http://www.paulhellyerweb.com/
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What Mr. Hellyer was saying is actually on lots of sites on the internet. Unfortunately, the majority of the public dismiss that kind of info as conspiracy theories. But when you start paying attention to the various points and people and discussions and agreements, you start to see the connections that could very well bring this kind of thing to fruition. Thanks for the link. Sounds like one that I'd be interested in.
 
SeaBreeze said:
The laws vary by state. My husband recently purchased a rifle at a gun show, and they did a background check. I believe it's the same with internet sales now. Any responsible citizen who is comfortable with guns and knowledgeable about their safe use, etc. should be allowed to protect themselves (or you) with a concealed carry firearm. I know if I'm in a public place and some mentally ill person on prescription medications comes in to kill some people, I'd be more than happy and thankful for a concealed carry citizen to stop the insanity before any innocent folks lose their life.
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Problem is that someone can legitimately get a gun as you describe and then succumb to some form of mental illness and voila, he's walking around, out of his mind and carrying a concealed weapon. And nobody knows until all of a sudden it's too late. That scenario could happen too couldn't it?

I'm curious as to how long the background check was and what's involved? Could you elaborate? I know in Canada, a background check can take a few weeks from the time you make application because you have to provide references who will attest to the future gun owner being a good guy, etc.
 
Debby said:
I know that was in part directed at me, but I'm not glorifying anyone. What I am doing is pointing out that the American/Canadian/British media is telling you only what those governments want you to hear and that Putin isn't the monster they would have you think he is. Reading the other side of the story is critical to get an accurate understanding of any story and unless you read the article by Cornell University professor Sharon Tennison, then you are getting only what the White House wants you to hear.
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Heard a little of this guest on the coast to coast radio show last night, very interesting...http://jordanrussiacenter.org/news/...misrepresent-sochi-putin-ukraine/#.VJRfO14AJA
 
I think taking a look at the progression of things is interesting. Sometimes I hear "it's not that bad" and I always think "yet". Let's see, how many think our country is morphing into a Xanadu? But you're right, it's not that bad, yet.
 
SeaBreeze said:
Heard a little of this guest on the coast to coast radio show last night, very interesting...http://jordanrussiacenter.org/news/...misrepresent-sochi-putin-ukraine/#.VJRfO14AJA
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Maybe because it mirrors much of my own observations about how media reports anything these day, I found your link to be extremely interesting. Among other things, that author points out the failure of MSM to report all the facts, failure to be objective, failure to be honest, guilty of 'suggestive' rhetoric, inflammatory, partisan, inclined to omit facts, etc. And MSM is where the majority of the public get their 'news'.

By the way, the article you linked was by the following gentleman: Stephen F. Cohen is professor emeritus of Russian studies at New York University and professor emeritus of politics at Princeton University. His books include Soviet Fates and Lost Alternatives: From Stalinism to the New Cold War.


(So there you go QS, in case you look, a professor at an American University.....the sort of proof that is acceptable in a discussion of politics).


Also, as the OP was about Putins public popularity, today it still stands at about 80%.
 
QuickSilver said:
Call me crazy... but I would rather have it CIA monitoring my phone than not knowing about planned Terrorist attacks. I have no problem with the data collection. If they can get info to prevent another 9/11... great.. I'm not concerned if they know when my mamo appointment is or if the groomer can fit my dog in for a haircut. I suggest to everyone who finds Putin so enthralling.... go live there for a while.. Then tell us how horrible the loss of liberty in this country is.
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I agree. People get the wrong idea anyways about the "phone monitoring". They do not monitor the actual conversation, they note the phone numbers and amount of traffic in an effort to detect contacts with terrorist suspects. If evidence supports it, they do monitor conversations. I am 100% in support of the effort to keep us safe.
 
I agree with you Jim, the thing that comes to mind though is some of the conversations I've seen on this forum even. I really think there will come a time when people will have to share "certain" opinions in secrecy if they want to share them. I know it's far-fetched but that's just the way I am sometimes. How many times have I heard someone say, "I'm gonna kill her" or "I feel like going down and blowing up that frickin bank". A person can say, again, oh it's not that bad, or it'll never come to that, I mean we get hauled in for saying something like that if that person dies or the bank is blown up.

But I agree with protecting the citizens of the US. It just seems like the worse things get, the less freedom we have. I guess that makes sense though doesn't it.
 
I'm in complete agreement that one of our governments responsibilities is to protect its citizens. Where I take issue is when a government of a country that is proud of its humanitarianism sinks to the same level as those who do harm wherever or participates in the take down of governments of other countries and particularly if those governments are chosen by their populace or even participate in the oppression of any society by another government be it by arms, funding or training.

If I become the same evil as that which I decry, what am I except evil?
 
It's easy for Americans to underestimate our opponents. We have always under-estimated Asians in warfare. Putin is a suvivor. That's harder to do in Russia than in the US. When the Berlin Wall fell he was a major in the Russian KGB, stationed in East Germany. He is fluent in German. He is now single but don't let his pulling off his shirt and displaying his martial arts fool you, ladies. He knows how to use his grey matter. He will survive our multiple embargos as Castro did and he will prevail. As a man and a human being I'm pulling for him. With the biggest bully on the planet nipping at his heels, I hope he gets away and survives again. As Will Rogers once said, "I never saw a man I didn't like or couldn't learn from. Cheers.
 
Debby said:
I'm in complete agreement that one of our governments responsibilities is to protect its citizens. Where I take issue is when a government of a country that is proud of its humanitarianism sinks to the same level as those who do harm wherever or participates in the take down of governments of other countries and particularly if those governments are chosen by their populace or even participate in the oppression of any society by another government be it by arms, funding or training.

If I become the same evil as that which I decry, what am I except evil?
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Boy that got me thinking Debby, I mean it's such a hard one for me. I remember when I was struggling to follow the church/christianity, I used to truly want to be like Jesus. At the same time I was so torn, like when 9/11 happened, all I wanted to do was kick their ass. I think of a fire, like in a building, the fireman fight the fire with water or I guess some other things that smother it. But in the woods, when they are fighting a forest fire, they sometimes use fire to stop the progression. Someone with way more knowledge of that could tell it better of course, how it works. So when we are dealing with evil, or bad guys I guess we have at least two choices, turn the other cheek, or use their own medicine on them. What a world.
 
Debby said:
I'm in complete agreement that one of our governments responsibilities is to protect its citizens. Where I take issue is when a government of a country that is proud of its humanitarianism sinks to the same level as those who do harm wherever or participates in the take down of governments of other countries and particularly if those governments are chosen by their populace or even participate in the oppression of any society by another government be it by arms, funding or training.

If I become the same evil as that which I decry, what am I except evil?
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No offense Debby but as an old man and an American I will say only this "when we find ourselves in a world like we do today, you often have to fight fire with fire." We are far from perfect, but we are damn sure trying.
 

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