Attempted double beheading in Melbourne

I think it only seems more widespread because those are the only ones we are familiar with in our dealings from the media or in any general contact. The images and news stories we most see and hear about of people from other areas of the globe are the ones that tend to leave an imprint on the minds of many individuals unless we expand our view of the world at large and really get to know other cultures in depth. This applies to myself as well. It's one of the reasons I love reading books authored by people from cultures not of my own, it broadens my understanding. Even in the US, the Christians often cry foul that so many associate certain acts and thoughts with their religion.
 

QuickSilver said:
I'm wondering though.. Just like most Christians do NOT take the violent parts of the Bible literally.. Do most Muslims adhere to the violence in the Koran? We hear that only the very radical extremists do.. but I have to admit.. there sure are a lot of extremists. I know we have the West Burrow Baptist Church and some others, but it DOES seem more widespread in Islam.
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Christian fundamentalists do believe that every word found in the Bible is the "inerrant, infallible word of God" but because these same people pore over the text fairly comprehensively, they read the violent parts in context. Most of their energy is taken up with waging war on the evolutionists but not in the lethal sense. However, there have been bombings of abortion clinics leading to death. Saner Christians know that the teachings of Jesus do not support this violence.

Believe it or not, most people in this world are not inclined to murder in the name of God but within every religious grouping fanatics do arise. Even Buddhists in Burma have been persecuting and killing their muslim minority. Fanatics arm themselves with holy writ, usually carefully selected out of context, to justify their madness. If they don't use scripture they will adopt the writings of Hitler or Marx.

Some texts lend themselves more easily to this process. IMO, the Koranic verses are very exploitable but that is not the only problem with Islam. There is the very meaning of the word -
In the religious sense, Islam means submission to the will of God and obedience to His law. Everything and every phenomenon in the world other than man is administered totally by God-made laws, ie. they are obedient to God and submissive to his laws, they are in the State of Islam.
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The fanatics think that they must obey, without question, what some deranged, but charismatic, iman says that God wants them to do. Especially the very young and impressionable men. It would be better if they listened more to the scholars, but impulsive, testosterone fuelled young men seldom do this. The ones we are having trouble with don't even listen to their parents.

Muslims also believe that Paradise must be earned by deeds. Christians are taught*** that this is impossible and that they must rely on the grace of God. This also produces different mind sets.

***At least this has been true ever since The Reformation. Before that medieval Christians also sought to earn Heaven, hence the Crusades, the building of mighty cathedrals, the giving of a child to the church to be a priest, nun or monk etc.
 
Speaking of the scholars of Islam, this is what they say as they condemn ISIL

1. It is forbidden in Islam to issue fatwas without all the necessary learning requirements. Even then fatwas must follow Islamic legal theory as defined in the Classical texts. It is also forbidden to cite a portion of a verse from the Qur’an—or part of a verse—to derive a ruling without looking at everything that the Qur’an and Hadith teach related to that matter. In other words, there are strict subjective and objective prerequisites for fatwas, and one cannot ‘cherry-pick’ Qur’anic verses for legal arguments without considering the entire Qur’an and Hadith.
2. It is forbidden in Islam to issue legal rulings about anything without mastery of the Arabic language.
3. It is forbidden in Islam to oversimplify Shari’ah matters and ignore established Islamic sciences.
4. It is permissible in Islam [for scholars] to differ on any matter, except those fundamentals of religion that all Muslims must know.
5. It is forbidden in Islam to ignore the reality of contemporary times when deriving legal rulings.
6. It is forbidden in Islam to kill the innocent.
7. It is forbidden in Islam to kill emissaries, ambassadors, and diplomats; hence it is forbidden to kill journalists and aid workers.
8. Jihad in Islam is defensive war. It is not permissible without the right cause, the right purpose and without the right rules of conduct.
9. It is forbidden in Islam to declare people non-Muslim unless he (or she) openly declares disbelief.
10. It is forbidden in Islam to harm or mistreat—in any way—Christians or any ‘People of the Scripture’.
11. It is obligatory to consider Yazidis as People of the Scripture.
12. The re-introduction of slavery is forbidden in Islam. It was abolished by universal consensus.
13. It is forbidden in Islam to force people to convert.
14. It is forbidden in Islam to deny women their rights.
15. It is forbidden in Islam to deny children their rights.
16. It is forbidden in Islam to enact legal punishments (hudud) without following the correct
procedures that ensure justice and mercy.
17. It is forbidden in Islam to torture people.
18. It is forbidden in Islam to disfigure the dead.
19. It is forbidden in Islam to attribute evil acts to God.
20. It is forbidden in Islam to destroy the graves and shrines of Prophets and Companions.
21. Armed insurrection is forbidden in Islam for any reason other than clear disbelief by the ruler and not allowing people to pray.
22. It is forbidden in Islam to declare a caliphate without consensus from all Muslims.
23. Loyalty to one’s nation is permissible in Islam.
24. After the death of the Prophet, Islam does not require anyone to emigrate anywhere.
Read the full letter here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/24/muslim-scholars-islamic-state_n_5878038.html
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All excellent posts from you Dame Warrigal, I was very interested to read them. You are right, all fanatics can back up their actions with [selective] bits of text, and this has been done throughout history.Moderate Muslims will not agree with Isil [it seems to change names all the time? isis, IS, Isil?]A lot of Muslim people are speaking out against it here, but others are afraid to or won't, don't know which.Amongst the young, Asian men, there is a lot of hate towards white people in the West, even though they have grown up here.Their grandparents and parents, were grateful for a better life here, but the young generation can't feel that [because they were born here] and only feel resentment.Life is no harder for them of course, than any white people here, but the resentment is directed at us.
 
oakapple said:
All excellent posts from you Dame Warrigal, I was very interested to read them. You are right, all fanatics can back up their actions with [selective] bits of text, and this has been done throughout history.Moderate Muslims will not agree with Isil [it seems to change names all the time? isis, IS, Isil?]A lot of Muslim people are speaking out against it here, but others are afraid to or won't, don't know which.Amongst the young, Asian men, there is a lot of hate towards white people in the West, even though they have grown up here.Their grandparents and parents, were grateful for a better life here, but the young generation can't feel that [because they were born here] and only feel resentment.Life is no harder for them of course, than any white people here, but the resentment is directed at us.
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But that happens all the time.. People tend to take the actions or words of a few and paint an entire country or population in this light.. I've run into it over and over having particpated in several International forums. The worse being where I was one of only a couple of Americans participating... People just LOVE to resent others.. and are quick to blame all their problems on anything but them. We have an enormous "Blame Obama" sect here.. it's nonsense of course, and again based on bits and pieces and half truths.. or heck even NO truth at all.. But it's real to them and continues no matter how many facts are pointed out. So goes with human nature.
 
What have people got against Obama? When he was voted in, everyone seem to love him.He had a very difficult job with the economy, the job of President was a bit of a poisoned chalice for him, an uphill struggle, just like getting the economy working here has been.Nobody likes cuts of course, but they were needed.What do you all think of the way he has handled things?
 
oakapple said:
What have people got against Obama? When he was voted in, everyone seem to love him.He had a very difficult job with the economy, the job of President was a bit of a poisoned chalice for him, an uphill struggle, just like getting the economy working here has been.Nobody likes cuts of course, but they were needed.What do you all think of the way he has handled things?
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I think the entire world should be happy Obama if the US President. If McCain had won in 2008.. we'd for sure be in 3 or 4 wars. Romney the same. I am so glad that Obama weighs things over and acts slowly. I am very pleased with him. Although I do see his faults.. and the areas I would have like to see him react differently. However, in response to your question "what have people got againt Obama" Two things really... He's a Democrat.. and he's Black. We have a horrible race problem in this country and more and more it's coming to light.. I think having a Black President has brought the racists out of hiding.. and showing their true colors. Before it was kept pretty much on the down low. Now I know people will bend over backwards to deny it.. and make all kinds of excuses. but NO US president has been as maligned and disrespected as this one. Not even Bush. People can say what they want.. but it's a racial thing. Everyone knows it.. This man handles it all with calmness and dignity. I think he is one of the best Presidents we have ever had.
 
QuickSilver, my favourite Prime Minister of late drew the misogynists out of the woodwork and they eventually brought her down.
A good few of them were from within her own ranks.

I thought she was one of the best PMs we've had for a long time especially given the very rough row she had to hoe.

As a foreigner, I see your president as a man who weighs the odds carefully before placing his bet. I like that as long as he doesn't sit on his hands past the optimum time to act. It's a very tough job and it takes its toll on the one who has to bear the responsibility.
 
QuickSilver said:
However, in response to your question "what have people got againt Obama" Two things really... He's a Democrat.. and he's Black. We have a horrible race problem in this country and more and more it's coming to light.. I think having a Black President has brought the racists out of hiding.. and showing their true colors. Before it was kept pretty much on the down low.
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Well said, and I agree. Let me add that I'm not a Democrat or black.
 
Another series of counterterrorism raids have taken place this morning in houses over 5 suburbs of Melbourne (that's Melb. Victoria, Aust). Federal and state police were involved and one man arrested. The AFP said the operation is not in response to a threat to public safety, nor is it related to last week's shooting of terror suspect Numan Haider at Endeavour Hills.

It would appear that our intelligence gathering is being acted upon. More passports have been confiscated this week to prevent men going overseas.

Meanwhile, an Afghan Australian man who was visiting relatives in Afghanistan and was on his way home again was hauled off a bus by the Taliban, beaten, tortured and shot to death because he was Australian. It's not only the military who pay the price for waging war on terrorism.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/son-...an-denied-refugee-status-20140929-10nrtp.html
 
The Victorian police have just announced that today's raids were about sending funds overseas to support ISIL in Syria. The tip off came from the FBI because the funds are going to an American citizen.

The raids were done with a lesser show of force because it was not considered to be a dangerous scenario. They also took place early in the morning but in daylight in response to feedback from earlier raids.
 
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