I wonder if they can actually mandate the vaccine...

[MarciKS]

"Let me put it very clearly, you have no constitutional right to endanger the public and spread the disease, even if you disagree. You have no right not to be vaccinated, you have no right not to wear a mask, you have no right to open up your business," he said.

The show’s interviewer Jason Goodman asked his guest if the government rules "you have to be vaccinated, we have to be vaccinated.”

Dershowitz’s answer, “Absolutely.”

https://www.newsmax.com/us/coronavi...DRzsgElg0cl5mJLGv94GJpjKuKt_8u_swZN1LYQPfFyqM

 

[Pepper]

Hate Alan Dershowitz. He can take a long walk on a short pier. Egomaniac.

 

[MarciKS]

I don't see how they could legally get away with this. Especially if someone had a bad reaction & it killed them or something. I would think the number of lawsuits would be astronomical.

 

[Pepper]

They can't legally get away with it. They can, however, say things like "you can't go to school w/out proof of vaccination" and that can expand widely to many other things. They cannot, however, force you to be injected.

 

[MarciKS]

But if we refuse he says we may not be allowed to leave our homes?? Is that legal?

 

[win231]

No one can force anyone to take a vaccine or drug.

 

[Kaila]

I am curious which things it would be legal to require a specific vaccination for,
and how many or how few of such situations could legally require it.

Certain particular jobs? (teaching in a public school or public university? nursing in ER? working in a prison?)
OR, perhaps..... to enter
Specified public places, that others are required to go, such as courts? city hall? motor vehicle?

I only mean those as possible examples. I am not suggesting which places or people. Or even that it's a good way to go forward.

Just that I think Pepper is correct, in above post # 4.....

that it couldn't be legally mandatory for all, but possibly might be legally required for certain specified participation,
perhaps where others are mandated to go.

Or perhaps it would be one of multiple options. Such as the vaccine, OR testing at certain frequent intervals.....or....or.....

I am brainstorming ideas, I am not at all, claiming to know.

 

[MarciKS]

If they decide to mandate it for healthcare workers I'll have to find something else to do. I'm not interested in their vaccine. I was at first but not anymore.

 

[Pepper]

But if we refuse he says we may not be allowed to leave our homes?? Is that legal?

He says. Dershowitz? So what? That's his opinion, which is always based on self-aggrandizement, and controversy. Put him on 'ignore' as they say around here.

 

[MarciKS]

I know nothing about the man so...*Shrugs* Thanks Pepper.

 

[Don M.]

Once a vaccine is approved, it will likely take weeks, or months, for enough to be manufactured, and distributed in sufficient quantity to inoculate everyone. I will NOT be in any big hurry to be one of the early recipients. Given the record of the drugs currently in use, and their range of "side effects", I am going to remain a bit skeptical....until millions are given the shot with little or no after effects. I can wear a mask, and stay "distant" for however long it takes.

 

[win231]

They can't legally get away with it. They can, however, say things like "you can't go to school w/out proof of vaccination" and that can expand widely to many other things. They cannot, however, force you to be injected.

What they do is say "You are required to.....etc" and they are relying on people's ignorance & submission to authority.
I was dating a woman from China. Her 12 year old son was moving here to live with her. When she enrolled him in 7th grade, the admissions office told her he was required to have a (useless) TB skin test. He didn't want it & neither did she. I contacted the County Health Department & found out it was not a requirement. I also obtained written information about it & when she spoke to the school's admission office, they again told her it was required. When she presented the written law, they changed their mind & said, "Well.....OK....uh....it's not required.....it's suggested." They immediately enrolled him, rather than face a lawsuit they knew they'd lose.

 

[win231]

I think it would be akin to requiring a flu shot in order to leave your house. Good luck with that.
If someone tried to force a vaccine on me, I'd make sure they rest in peace.

 

[StarSong]

Look at the source. Newsmax. A deeply conservative site that lives to stir up its base. Saying that the government will force vaccines on us is like shooting fish in that stir-up-the-base barrel.

Talk about fake news.

 

[MarciKS]

Look at the source. Newsmax. A deeply conservative site that lives to stir up its base. Saying that the government will force vaccines on us is like shooting fish in that stir-up-the-base barrel.

Talk about fake news.

I have a question Star. How do you or anyone know what's "fake" news & what's not?

 

[StarSong]

I have a question Star. How do you or anyone know what's "fake" news & what's not?

To begin with, I heavily consider the source. Then I consider the likelihood of what is being reported.

If this were a disease with a kill rate like Ebola but far more infectious, then maybe the states could/would enforce a mandatory vaccine. But that's not true of Covid.

It's like saying that the US has the power to mandate a full curfew for all citizens. Does it? Technically yes. Under today's circumstances though, the likelihood of that is roughly zero.

Similarly, the likelihood of the US legally mandating its citizens to get vaccinated against Covid, given Covids current infectious and kill rates is also roughly zero.

That's why I call it fake news. This story isn't meant to inform about what could happen in an extreme situation, but rather to rev up the readers by implying that it's likely to happen in our current circumstances, simply because of the timing of its publishing.

 

[Lovely Rita]

First off, no one can force anyone to take the vaccine or force anyone to stay in there home if they do not take the vaccine. Once the vaccine is in large amount and starts to be given there will be many people who refuse. Those people I suppose will continue to wear masks I would hope.

 

[Pepper]

Those people I suppose will continue to wear masks I would hope.

That's assuming they wore them in the first place; given their stance on vaccinations I'm guessing they don't.

 

[AnnieA]

... Once the vaccine is in large amount and starts to be given there will be many people who refuse. Those people I suppose will continue to wear masks I would hope.

I won't get it for many months after it's distributed until I see if there are complications. I've seen too many wonder drugs rolled out in my years in healthcare that breezed through clinical trials but later had to be recalled or were labeled with "black box warnings" due to dangers that were found once they were in general use.

So I will continue to wear my mask as I have from the beginning.

 

[Sunny]

Dershowitz is a long-time troublemaker. He loves to create outrage, and will stop at nothing.

You are absolutely right, StarSong. This item has "fake news" written all over it. Gotta keep the base stirred up!

I'm adding this afterward. Here's a little bit of what Wikipedia has to say about Dershowitz:

Dershowitz has been involved in several high-profile legal cases, including as a member of the defense team for the impeachment trial of Donald Trump.[6] As a criminal appellate lawyer, he won 13 of the 15 murder and attempted murder cases which he had handled,[7] and has represented a series of celebrity clients, including Mike Tyson, Patty Hearst, and Jim Bakker. His most notable cases included the successful appeal of Claus von Bülow's 1982 conviction for the attempted murder of his wife, Sunny, and the 1995 O. J. Simpson murder trial, in which he served on the legal "Dream Team", alongside Johnnie Cochran and F. Lee Bailey, as an appellate adviser.[8] Dershowitz was also a member of the legal defense teams for the prominent sex offenders Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein, his personal friend. In 2006 he helped to negotiate a non-prosecution agreement on Epstein's behalf.[9]

 

[StarSong]

I won't take it for many months after it's distributed until I see if there are complications. I've seen too many wonder drugs rolled out in my years in healthcare that breezed through clinical trials but later had to be recalled or were labeled with "black box warnings" due to dangers that were found once they were in general use.

So I will continue to wear my mask as I have from the beginning.

Ditto.

 

[Lovely Rita]

I won't take it for many months after it's distributed until I see if there are complications. I've seen too many wonder drugs rolled out in my years in healthcare that breezed through clinical trials but later had to be recalled or were labeled with "black box warnings" due to dangers that were found once they were in general use.

So I will continue to wear my mask as I have from the beginning.

I am with you. I am not going to be first in line. That is for sure.

 

[AnnieA]

I have a question Star. How do you or anyone know what's "fake" news & what's not?

Read about an issue from left and right leaning sources, sources outside the US and then try to figure out the truth.

 

[Sunny]

The problem is, nobody wants to be the first in line. So how will the vaccine ever be used, if that's the case?

 

[AnnieA]

The problem is, nobody wants to be the first in line. So how will the vaccine ever be used, if that's the case?

One is in human trials already in the US and people volunteer for those. There will be a lot of people who want it as soon as it's released, a lot who will get it for work and school requirements. Then there will be those of us who are taking a wait and see stance as well as those who are anti-vaxx that will never take it.