Current political situation

R. Zimm

R. Zimm

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I'm curious as to what you all think of our current situation. The Obama Administration now has five "issues" of various sorts and yet much of the mainstream press has barely said a peep about them.

I'm not trying to create a ruckus here, just honest opinions. Do you think these issues are real? Are they important? What should be done (if anything)?

Thanks.
 

Good topic, Zimm. Sure to bring on a lot of comments. My honest opinion? Personally, I must admit . . . I've become apathetic. Not really proud of that but I will not apologize. It's just my only way of keeping sane. I know it has a lot to do with Vietnam. That may have been long, long ago but I enlisted at 18 believing in my country and the fight against Communism. Was so excited about getting to vote in the next election. Finally, I literally stood with my absentee ballot in one hand and an M16 in the other thinking about what really made a difference. I threw the ballot away and trusted my weapon. So, my thoughts on the issues of the day have continued downhill and I have never trusted any of the bastards in charge. Not one! Liars and thieves. Better stop now before I go off on a lunatic rage...
 
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Good topic, Zimm. So, my thoughts on the issues of the day have continued downhill and I have never trusted any of the bastards in charge. Not one! Liars and thieves. Better stop now before I go off on a lunatic rage...
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My sentiments exactly...That about sums it up.
 

I thought long ago, "Why vote??", but then voted anyway, because if we didn't care or try, who knows what we'd get. So I continued voting....then after so many years, we had no choice but to vote for the lesser of two evils....over and over again. I'm not sure our votes really count anymore. Money talks, bottom line, and whoever promises more freebies gets more votes, etc., etc.

I want to make things better for my children and grandchildren, but how?? They are more liberal thinking than we are; it's how they were taught in a way, and how they perceive their world. I can see their points in some ways, not in others, and am afraid where all this progressive thinking will lead them.

And, as TWH says, I'm glad I'm old, too.
 
Our current political situation is distressing, on one hand, and enlightening, on the other.

People thought racism was dead. With Obama's election, racists lost their cool, tipped their hand, and drew targets on their backs. Now, my non-minority friends say " I can't imagine how you live knowing that people in power go out of their way to keep you and those like you in the "disposable" class of people." That bit of enlightenment has even crossed the lips of my primary physician when talking about high blood pressure among Afro-Americans.

It's not what we eat, it's what's trying to eat us. I like this bit of enlightenment.
I am glad Gay marriage is taking hold, I am glad Republicans tipped their hands at the state level with attacks on abortion rights and birth control availability. If nothing else, most women will not stand for this and vote accordingly. I just hope there are enough of us to tip the scales back our way!

I find Progessives' not pushing harder for fairness, not raising a bigger stink about obstruction, and not highlighting corporate welfare distressing. I also find the failure to curb corporate power distressing, as well.

Today's Democrats are not the Democrats I supported. They spend too much time reaching across the aisle and pursuing compromise, when they need to pursue solutions that help the common working person. We need a truly Progessive Party, not "conservative lite", which is what the Democratic Party has become.

All of these irritants are rendered moot, though, if we have passed the point of no return with our environmental problems.
 
I find everything you had to say, MercyL, to be the usual liberal rant. I could post a similar rant with the opposing view and am very tempted to do so: (Those who oppose Obama are racists?! Because we oppose the absurdity of so-called Gay marriage and the killing of the unborn, we have tipped out hand to what - good sense and compassion?)

So... are we going to turn this otherwise friendly site into just another site for political battle where nobody changes anybody's mind? If so, I'll gladly join in! But aren't there plenty of such sites elsewhere?!

MercyL said:
Our current political situation is distressing, on one hand, and enlightening, on the other.

People thought racism was dead. With Obama's election, racists lost their cool, tipped their hand, and drew targets on their backs. Now, my non-minority friends say " I can't imagine how you live knowing that people in power go out of their way to keep you and those like you in the "disposable" class of people." That bit of enlightenment has even crossed the lips of my primary physician when talking about high blood pressure among Afro-Americans.

It's not what we eat, it's what's trying to eat us. I like this bit of enlightenment.
I am glad Gay marriage is taking hold, I am glad Republicans tipped their hands at the state level with attacks on abortion rights and birth control availability. If nothing else, most women will not stand for this and vote accordingly. I just hope there are enough of us to tip the scales back our way!

I find Progessives' not pushing harder for fairness, not raising a bigger stink about obstruction, and not highlighting corporate welfare distressing. I also find the failure to curb corporate power distressing, as well.

Today's Democrats are not the Democrats I supported. They spend too much time reaching across the aisle and pursuing compromise, when they need to pursue solutions that help the common working person. We need a truly Progessive Party, not "conservative lite", which is what the Democratic Party has become.

All of these irritants are rendered moot, though, if we have passed the point of no return with our environmental problems.
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FishWisher said:
I find everything you had to say, MercyL, to be the usual liberal rant. I could post a similar rant with the opposing view and am very tempted to do so: (Those who oppose Obama are racists?! Because we oppose the absurdity of so-called Gay marriage and the killing of the unborn, we have tipped out hand to what - good sense and compassion?)

So... are we going to turn this otherwise friendly site into just another site for political battle where nobody changes anybody's mind? If so, I'll gladly join in! But aren't there plenty of such sites elsewhere?!
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The question was asked, and I answered.

Racism was hidden, then went unmistakenly public with Obama's election. I did not say that being against Obama was racism, I am stating that the racism that has always been here, without Obama, has now left it's secret garden with his being elected.
 
MercyL said:
The question was asked, and I answered.

Racism was hidden, then went unmistakenly public with Obama's election. I did not say that being against Obama was racism, I am stating that the racism that has always been here, without Obama, has now left it's secret garden with his being elected.
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Hidden in a secret garden, eh? How poetic! That's pure bunk and double talk. Obama's half white; have the black racists also come tip-toeing out of their secret garden?

The old racism card has been completely worn out by the usual whiners on the left. Find something of substance and I'll be happy to engage.
 
Originally Posted by FishWisher I find everything you had to say, MercyL, to be the usual liberal rant. I could post a similar rant with the opposing view and am very tempted to do so: (Those who oppose Obama are racists?! Because we oppose the absurdity of so-called Gay marriage and the killing of the unborn, we have tipped out hand to what - good sense and compassion?)

So... are we going to turn this otherwise friendly site into just another site for political battle where nobody changes anybody's mind? If so, I'll gladly join in! But aren't there plenty of such sites elsewhere?!


Wisher, I so totally agree with you ! Disagreement and unfriendliness are rampant online (and being so promoted right now), and I really love that this forum is a shelter in the storm, so to speak. It is like an online coffee and chat with friends. (BYOC)
No matter what our personal views are, I think we all can agree that the economy could be a whole lot better, and that there needs to be some reforms in big government.
I am for equality for all people, but not in favor of that being promoted as a reason for enmity between races. Equality will only be achieved when people learn to care about each other, and not achieved from riots.
 
MercyL....That old dog named racism walks down both sides of the street. I'm not sure how you believe racism has been let out of some "secret garden". No president in the history of the United States of America has ever been more favorably treated by the press than Obama, to the point of non-reporting and turning a blind eye to any indiscretion or misconduct, until it becomes either a major national or international incident and the elephant in the room can no longer be ignored.

At no time in history have minorities been given the advantages and opportunities to overcome oppression, perceived or real, that they have today..what they do with them is in their hands.

I am weary to death of the race card being played everytime something doesn't go the way a minority person or group wants it to, or is caught in the act of malfeasance.

I just re-read your post. It has been added onto since I started this reply. I think Fishwisher is right. This topic is a dead end subject that has the potential to go downhill quickly. There are some strong minded folks here, both Repubs and Dem's, who through the years have earned the right to be so. Little will be accomplished by a heated political debate on this forum.

Suffice it to say, there is so much wrong in this country on so many levels, with so many hidden agendas, and too much power and big money at work. To even begin to have a sane discussion about politics in these insane times is merely a headbanger.

We don't have enough time in our life time to fix any of it, if indeed it is even fixable. There is enough blame on both sides of the fence to go around. In my opinion, if a politician's mouth is moving he/she is lying, and most likely has some hidden scheme which involves making money, either for political donations or personal enrichment.

Let's just have a glass of wine and enjoy each other's company and hope someday the scoundrels with eat each other.


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Well, that did prove interesting and I appreciate the fact that each post is thought out, honest and without name calling.

I have my own opinions about race relations in the U.S. the basic thing being that President Truman missed a big chance when he did not stand with soldiers, sailors & airmen of all races and say "Their blood was spilled for your liberty and if you don't treat them like equals the full force of the Constitution will be on your head!"

Other than that the types of politicians I have supported in the past included J.C. Watts, Alan Keyes and Herman Cain (until he dropped out) so even though I'm WAAAAY to the right politically, race plays no part in my vote. I think that Alan West will be a force to be listened to next time around as well.

Let's face it, there is much deception from all sides and stripes.
 
R. Zimm said:
Well, that did prove interesting and I appreciate the fact that each post is thought out, honest and without name calling.

I have my own opinions about race relations in the U.S. the basic thing being that President Truman missed a big chance when he did not stand with soldiers, sailors & airmen of all races and say "Their blood was spilled for your liberty and if you don't treat them like equals the full force of the Constitution will be on your head!"

Other than that the types of politicians I have supported in the past included J.C. Watts, Alan Keyes and Herman Cain (until he dropped out) so even though I'm WAAAAY to the right politically, race plays no part in my vote. I think that Alan West will be a force to be listened to next time around as well.

Let's face it, there is much deception from all sides and stripes.
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Well said R. Zimm.
 
The Facades of Enniskillen

-- Jim Hightower

These are hard times in Northern Ireland, where unemployment is rampant and Prime Minister David Cameron's corrosive austerity medicine is killing hope.Yet, the people of a depressed town named Enniskillen are rubbing their eyes in disbelief at a remarkable revitalization of their town centre. Practically overnight, a blight of abandoned stores has been transformed into a vibrant scene of reoccupied, fully-stocked shops enjoying a business boom. But wait: Having rubbed their eyes and peered closer, the denizens of Enniskillen see that this is not a miracle – it's a mirage. The spiffy new streetscapes are nothing but posters plastered over the old vacant buildings.
Why this lie? Because Cameron, Angela Merkel, Barack Obama, Vladimir Putin, and other heads of state are coming to the G8 Summit being held this month at a five-star, luxury golf resort just down the road from Enniskillen. Yes, extravagance adjacent to depression. Organizers, however, don't want the eyeballs of these world leaders to be singed by economic reality. Thus, they have put a half-million dollars into the town centre to create a Potemkin Village so that G8 participants will not have unpleasant memories from passing through Enniskillen on their way to the resort, where they will discuss the magic of austerity for the masses and more tax cuts for the superrich.
"It is essential that town centres appear as attractive and welcoming as possible," declared Northern Ireland's social development minister. And a regional official explained that the half-million dollar fluff-up of Enniskillen will "address the poor physical and unattractive appearance of properties."
So, if you wonder why the world economy is in the ditch and our leaders are so clueless, unconcerned, and unwilling to take action look no further than the facades of Enniskillen
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"Organizers, however, don't want the eyeballs of these world leaders to be singed by economic reality."

That is sort of like "Let them eat cake" I suppose.
 
Although I'm not very happy with the political leaders current or past, I'll vote to choose the lesser of the two evils. I'm honestly not very political at all, but the two party system has created a rut for us, seems to leave much to be desired. I don't want my freedoms or rights as a natural born American to be negatively affected in any way, of that I am sure.

I think some overfunding and boredom has caused the powers to be to focus on snooping on the citizens of the US, as opposed to investigating real worldly threats, and that's disappointing. None of us deserve to be monitored under a microscope, that to me is insane. Luckily I will be long gone before the $hit hits the fan, and only now am I grateful that I never had any children, to worry about their future. It's sad really, we have so much knowledge and influence, but we're working against ourselves, instead of progressing, we seem to be backsliding. The main stream media offers no real truth at all anymore, more of a sideshow, IMO. Has power and greed become out of control? :confused:

PS: I'm glad to be here among a group of rational folks, who can discuss these things without going off the deep end. I'm not one to argue or object too much to anyone with opposing views. If this thread was too heated and strongly opinionated, I wouldn't even post. Good to be here with some reasonable and open-minded people.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I'm glad to be here among a group of rational folks, who can discuss these things without going off the deep end. I'm not one to argue or object too much to anyone with opposing views. If this thread was too heated and strongly opinionated, I wouldn't even post. Good to be here with some reasonable and open-minded people.
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Me, too, Sea. Me, too.
 
The world certainly seems like it has gone crazy sometimes, with all the wars and fighting everywhere. Anytime it looks like it might get better, a new conflict comes along.
I worry about how my children and grandchildren will manage, as the disasters, and government regulations just seem to keep escalating. It certainly almost seems like maybe we would be better off if the aliens are out there waiting to save the world, as some claim.
I read the Chariots of the Gods, and some of the books similar to that, and they do have some good questions of where some of our worldly mysteries come from, if not from off world visitors.
 
It dawned on me (duh) that Orwell's futuristic story came to fruition long ago. We are being constantly watched and "protected", lies are truth and war is peace. The privileged elite keep us in a state of perpetual war while independent thinking is deemed dangerous and totalitarianism grows with viral strength.

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Wow! Huxley sure took us through THAT door of perception. The parallels of both their works and our modern world are disturbing.
 

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